everyone knows the top 2 qbs and there seem to be sizable contingents for daniels/penix/nix, so it seems like JJ is a little more under the radar but i think by draft time that may change. dane brugler has him in his most recent 1st rd mock so not exactly a hidden gem but i think his lesser topline stats are hiding some upside purely because his offense has him taking a lot less drop backs than the other top QBs.
in a year with a bunch of 5th/6th year overage QBs he's the opposite at only 20 years old (turns 21 in january). by way of comparison caleb williams just turned 22, drake maye turns 22 in august, jayden daniels turns 23 in december, penix/nix will turn 24 before their first training camp.
pff has his turnover worthy plays a little on the high side (3.1%) by percentage but still lower than caleb williams (3.6%). drake maye is 2%, and all 3 of those guys are higher than the older more experienced QBs who are all between .7-1.9%. in aggregate he has similar numbers of total TWP at roughly 1 per game - just in far fewer drop backs. his 287 drop backs are more than 200 fewer than drake maye's 506. but all in all a pretty impressive number when you factor in the age/years of experience.
mccarthy has more big time throws than nix in more than 100 fewer drop backs, a big time throw % higher than both penix/caleb williams, more rushing yards than penix/nix, and functions from a more stodgy pro style offense that plays tougher defenses than the p12 in generally worse weather. so if you context adjust it makes sense that he hasnt put up the kind of 30-40 td years the others have. put him in an offense that dropped back more and maybe he would have. for the ypa fans he's behind only daniels, who also has the most explosive weapons (nabers). 2nd highest completion % behind nix, whose offense has him throwing behind the LOS a lot.
below is a good 3-4 minute with urban meyer, not exactly a qb guru, but breaking down some of his plays beating #2 OSU without harbough he seemed pretty impressed. next up is #16 iowa in the b1g cg, then possibly CFB playoff. from the look of some of his off platform throws and with the combination of tools/success he's leading at such a young age, i would imagine qb coaches are going to see a guy they can mold with a lot of upside. i dont typically watch a ton of b1g but will probably do so starting with the champ game.
id imagine if he can complete an undefeated season with some big performances he will make himself a lot of money and maybe even get the top 2 into a top 3.
He had a bunch of good plays, but I've picked three @CoachUrbanMeyer and @gerrydinardo hit the film room to spotlight @jjmccarthy09 's play in @UMichFootball 's win over Ohio State. - (
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him as much as possible. Not what you would expect from a top talent. If we get past the top 2 (Williams, Daniels), I think I like Nix better, Maye too (I don't put Maye with the top two). I also like Ewers better than JJ if he comes out
Yet, they wouldn't be where they are at without him. They wouldn't have beaten Ohio State without him.
michigan is 18-0 in the big 10 the last 2 years with mccarthy starting.
prior to him as starter harbough wasnt undefeated in the big 10 ever and only won the conference once in 7 years. now he has a chance to go back to back. OSU had won 4 of the last 6 conf champs.
in 7 bowl games harbough is 1-6 (with mccarthy losing 1 of those games to TCU last year 51-45).
beating OSU was a major notch on harboughs belt and he was suspended for the game, as he was for the win over PSU. winning the big 10 again and winning in the CFBP would be more big notches and mccarthy has a chance to really elevate himself beyond the narratives.
i noticed the last few weeks since all that crap became public his confidence has crashed.
He strikes me as a game manager type and not a NFL level star.
3rd or 4th rd pick IMHO
Lets see what he does against Iowa, a very good defense.
Lets see what he does against Iowa, a very good defense.
he was 16/20 against OSU with a near perfect passer rating and his team won the game.
nowhere in this thread have i seen anyone saying he is a better than caleb williams but surely you see the difference between a team winning and losing big games? games like the ND specifically and the 0-4 record vs ranked teams this year are valid dings on caleb but again nobody is saying he isn't still a better prospect.
Lets see what he does against Iowa, a very good defense.
Again - why are you using the Penn State game as a means to evaulate him? He injured his knee during the game and his mobility was done and he had a hard time planting his leg. And with the lead, they didnt force anything. Check out his game last year against OSU without Corum if you dont think they dont trust him. Before Edwards finished the game off with two long TDs, McCarthy was dominating them.
And you wont see much against Iowa because they dont need to do much. They will get the lead and since Iowa cant score - they will just be ultra conservative like always.
"McCarthy said he ran a 4.7-second 40-yard dash when he came in as a "scrawny little freshman," but has most recently been timed at 4.48 seconds. Now bigger, faster, stronger, more knowledgeable" Oct 24, 2023
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ok maybe i was off on 4.6 but id feel pretty comfortable betting over a 4.5. i think richardson's official last year was 4.43, fields was a 4.46. there have only been a handful of qbs who've run sub 4.5 (or 4.6) and almost all are 1k+ rushing yard qbs. josh allen ran a 4.76. hurts ran a 4.59.
However, McCarthy has been timed as fast as 21 MPH in game which is crazy fast.
"McCarthy's speed became something of legend last year when he took off like a shot in the Big Ten Championship game and got out in front of Blake Corum on the running back's long touchdown run against Iowa. "
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However, McCarthy has been timed as fast as 21 MPH in game which is crazy fast.
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i think jones hit 21mph last year too and he ran a 4.81. not trying to be argumentative, just semantics. i certainly agree that mccarthy's athleticism is a big selling point as mentioned in a comment above. would just be pretty surprised if he's sub 4.6.
waaaayyyyy overrated
look at his #s now that he doesnt know the D from the other team
if he isnt a first round pick he isn't declaring.
as far as undefeated/top teams go, his situation is actually not that great. good running backs yes - but virtually every good CFB team has good running backs.
he's faced pressure at a higher % of time than penix and nix even though his offense is more built around the running game. yesterday he was pressured about 30% of the time and he was 20/28 with 2 drops - which was actually more pressure than either of nix/penix faced in their matchup friday. obviously he defense pitched a shutout and gave the um offense great field position so in that respect he didnt have as much he needed to do but that has nothing to do with anything a qb can control.
his WRs/Tes aren't that good, which has been a staple of the harbough era. nowhere in the same stratosphere as odunze, nabers, thomas, franklin, etc.
what do you think happens if we put him in the pac 12 in better weather, against worse defenses, with 1 or 2 of those guys, and throws the ball 30-40% more often?
now age him up 2 or 3 more years to age 22/23 on top.
none of us know the exact outcome of that experiment but we can take a bit of a guess if we look at what penix/nix/daniels were before they stepped into situations like that. and prior to those situations those guys werent winning back to back conf titles.
Penn St he was 7-8 60 yds 0 TD/0 int
Maryland- 12-23 141 yds 0 TD/0 int
Ohio St 16-20 148 yds 1TD/0 int
Iowa 22-30 147 yds 0 TD/ 0 int
Penn St he was 7-8 60 yds 0 TD/0 int
Maryland- 12-23 141 yds 0 TD/0 int
Ohio St 16-20 148 yds 1TD/0 int
Iowa 22-30 147 yds 0 TD/ 0 int
justin herbert's last 3 games as a senior at oregon:
maybe not the wisest move to blindly dismiss someone just because their head coach chooses to play the game a certain way?