Eric, I have loved this site from the day I found it (sometime in your first 3-4 years) and you remain an important (maybe most important) voice of the fan base and the media.
And I’m not saying this because I agree with you (I do) but because I could not agree more with your conclusions.
I’ve been a Giants fan since 1970 and there were plenty of years where there was nothing but love and hope for the franchise.
If the Giants roll into 2024 with Jones and no potential replacement, then I will watch many fewer games, pay less attention to the waiver wire, and simply reduce my passion for the team.
If the Giants bring back Jones with no potential replacement it will mean ownership and management have either misplaced hope, they are dreaming or they have poor judgment. Or maybe all three.
Nothing against the kid, but he is who he is. An injury prone, #2 QB pretending to be a starting QB in the NFL.
And I know a lot of fans feel the same. Mara will find out he will have squandered a fan base that has been tremendously loyal, and incredibly passionate.
I really hope they find a way to move up in the draft to choose one of the big three.
In other words, the Giants are losing the arms race.
Worked well last time 😉
These things will iron out based on the draft. It's all about availability. With that said, I'd be completely shocked if the Giants don't add a QB within the first 3 rounds or so. Whether they add one in round 1 depends on whether they CAN draft one in round 1.
Gun to my head, I think they either trade up in the latter stages of round 1 AFTER they used their original first OR they take one in round 2, via either trading up or standing pat.
IF I had to bet, the Giants likely pick around 10th? I would guess there may not be a worthy QB there as the hot shots will be gone already. We shall see.
Here's an idea-- Let's find and add as many good and great players as possible and help the QB help the team. Forget the narratives or QB angst. Just add players. If the QB is one of those players and he's an upgrade, or a massive potential upgrade, get him. Don't reach.
Here's an idea-- Let's find and add as many good and great players as possible and help the QB help the team. Forget the narratives or QB angst. Just add players. If the QB is one of those players and he's an upgrade, or a massive potential upgrade, get him. Don't reach.
Totally agree that they need to add more than a QB. But they definitely need a QB.
These things will iron out based on the draft. It's all about availability. With that said, I'd be completely shocked if the Giants don't add a QB within the first 3 rounds or so. Whether they add one in round 1 depends on whether they CAN draft one in round 1.
Gun to my head, I think they either trade up in the latter stages of round 1 AFTER they used their original first OR they take one in round 2, via either trading up or standing pat.
IF I had to bet, the Giants likely pick around 10th? I would guess there may not be a worthy QB there as the hot shots will be gone already. We shall see.
The voice of reason
With that said, Dallas and Philly have punked the Giants for far too long in the trenches and that's just the reality of it. Jones has gotten his ass kicked in back to back years by the Dallas front. Big time Giants like Dex, Leonard when he was here, Kayvon have been absolutely neutralized by the Dallas and Philly o lines. What Philly did in the run game of the playoffs was absolutely criminal.
In other words, the Giants are losing the arms race.
Interesting analogy (accurate) .... technically we are at war.
I just wanted to get back to being competitive and with the understanding teams get worse and better it is a cycle. We have been on 1 SB every decade ... I want that trend to continue.
Looking at it as a war ... highlights how bad we are.
Agree also that if we don't have hope for change......well....we are just watching NFL games to appreciate other team's players.
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A big part of this is simply facing the fact that the Giants are in the unfortunate position of having to play two of the best teams in the conference in their own division.
In other words, the Giants are losing the arms race.
Interesting analogy (accurate) .... technically we are at war.
I just wanted to get back to being competitive and with the understanding teams get worse and better it is a cycle. We have been on 1 SB every decade ... I want that trend to continue.
Looking at it as a war ... highlights how bad we are.
Meant "...in 1 SB every decade." The 2000 lost counts Fassel rallied his troops.
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A big part of this is simply facing the fact that the Giants are in the unfortunate position of having to play two of the best teams in the conference in their own division.
In other words, the Giants are losing the arms race.
Interesting analogy (accurate) .... technically we are at war.
I just wanted to get back to being competitive and with the understanding teams get worse and better it is a cycle. We have been on 1 SB every decade ... I want that trend to continue.
Looking at it as a war ... highlights how bad we are.
Meant "...in 1 SB every decade." The 2000 loss counts Fassel rallied his troops.
Here's an idea-- Let's find and add as many good and great players as possible and help the QB help the team. Forget the narratives or QB angst. Just add players. If the QB is one of those players and he's an upgrade, or a massive potential upgrade, get him. Don't reach.
Yeah, things could be worse but not by much.
I don't care if we add Marvin Harrison in the draft, things won't get markedly better until we get a quality starting QB. Good or great QBs can make average WRs looked good. It rarely, if ever, works the other way. A great receiver is handcuffed by mediocre QB play. He doesn't turn the mediocre QB into a solid starter.
While we need to add quality nearly everywhere, I still believe and have believed since Jones' 2nds season, that QB should be priority #1.
I've been around since the 70s. I've experienced the Dave Brown, Danny Kannel, Kent Graham years. Frankly, I think this is worse. At least in those days, the team knew that finding a good starting QB was a priority. I don't know if management (basically ownership) feels that way now.
For decades, I would move and skip social events to make sure I could watch the game live; I'd only miss a game live if I absolutely had to (e.g., family Christening). I now choose social events over this nonsense, as I can watch the game quickly on DVR.
I went through this with the Knicks, at some point you're not a "bad fan" if you don't want to watch an awful product that is the result of objectively flawed (and quite dumb) decision making. (I can't even count how much time I wasted watching awful Knicks teams.)
I do trust Schoen and Daboll for now....
So let me say to you and everyone else around, if in the end Jones does come back and lead the Giants to the playoffs next year (which for those of you who apparently slept through the 2022 season) he did last year with not much around him, please don't come around cheering and celebrating!
So let me say to you and everyone else around, if in the end Jones does come back and lead the Giants to the playoffs next year (which for those of you who apparently slept through the 2022 season) he did last year with not much around him, please don't come around cheering and celebrating!
Whenever I form a negative opinion of a player - I still root for them to do well. I root for them to ‘prove me wrong’. I’m in the Daniel Jones is not good enough camp; I still root for him and am happy when he does well. If he comes back next year and ‘proves me wrong’, I would be ecstatic. Nothing wrong with forming opinions about players, part of being a fan.If we don’t go QB in the draft I will be very disappointed. If he plays, performs well, and leads us to the playoffs I will cheer and celebrate and perhaps change my opinion / assessment based on what I see. People need to chill out….
That said, I'm all in on taking a QB early this year if one is available because the Giants absolutely need some insurance at the position, plus if a team gets a chance at a possible elite QB they'd be crazy not to take it. But to put it all on Jones is just preposterous. Plus I am still waiting for the haters to come out and tell us how they are going to get better at the position. Just changing QBs for the sake of it is a recipe for disaster. In fact its what the Giants did through much of the 1970s.
Its easy to say draft a guy, but picking around 7th this year all your going to get is a shot at maybe the 4th or even the 5th or 6th best guy this year. Not the best odds. Trade up into the top 3. Dream on they're all taking QBs themselves and if by some chance the Giants could make a deal it'll likely cost at least a couple of future #1s who could turn out to be the next Stroud or Lawrence but is just as likely to be the next Wilson, Lynch, Bradford or Darnold. Free agency: hey I hear Mayfield and Garoppolo might be available.
In the end, I really don't understand why people don't take Schoen at his work. Were they not listening to his presser this week when he made it about as clear as a GM will make it that they 'expect' Jones to be the starter when healthy next fall, but they'll also be looking at both the draft and free agency for upgrades. Its called covering all the bases, or at least as many as one can and giving the team as many options as possible.
Worked well last time 😉
Don't forget the Oompa-Loompas.
But we so many pieces to improve the roster giving up a bunch of picks is a hard pill to swallow. However once Jones is off the roster that will free up a lot of money that can be used to improve the roster.
What we cannot afford to do is make the same mistake twice by reaching for a qb as we did with Jones. That will only compound the issue.
With a top 10 1st rd pick and two 2nd rounders, one could certainly make the argument that it's just as prudent to keep building the team elsewhere. Go pure BPA, and don't give up valuable draft capital to move up. Keep building until Arch Manning is available. :)
It's not like NYG are going to be competing with the Eagles, Cowboys, Niners, or Chiefs in a year or two. Build the lines, find a WR1, I dunno.
But I gotta say I'm really liking the way Daniels looks. That post from the other day with his highlight reel was pretty convincing.
I have no idea what NYG should do. What a mess.
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Have your daughter Photoshop a plane flying over Metlife with a banner reading "we need a QB"
Worked well last time 😉
Don't forget the Oompa-Loompas.
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no matter how much you hate Jones.
These things will iron out based on the draft. It's all about availability. With that said, I'd be completely shocked if the Giants don't add a QB within the first 3 rounds or so. Whether they add one in round 1 depends on whether they CAN draft one in round 1.
Gun to my head, I think they either trade up in the latter stages of round 1 AFTER they used their original first OR they take one in round 2, via either trading up or standing pat.
IF I had to bet, the Giants likely pick around 10th? I would guess there may not be a worthy QB there as the hot shots will be gone already. We shall see.
The voice of reason
Agreed and I didn’t get the piling on kicking them when they’re down feel from this post either. Nor an all doom and gloom one either.
What if the OL gets fixed and Jones plays great and they are winning, you still not watching?
Because of the injuries they likely get somebody, the thing is do they go all in with their top pick or perhaps look for someone raw but great upside potential a couple or three picks later and let him sit behind Jones to give time for DaBoll to groom him as eventual replacement.
So all we need is a rookie QB and we're good to compete? We don't need a Parsons, Lamb, Brown, pick an OG, OT, OG, DT? Just a rookie QB, and give up picks to get him? That's it?