If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
I think it's criminal that Dallas is getting two Thursday night home
If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Giants will be tied with someone, so SOS will come into play. There are 6 other teams with four wins and five more with 5 wins. I can guarantee that as much as you can guarantee one loss will change the Seahawks spot.
The Seahawks aren't going to lose out, they still have Tennessee and Arizona. So you can expect 8 wins at a minimum. Do you really think the difference between picking 18th and 22nd in the second round is more important than the difference between picking 4th and 7th in the first? Just look at the trade charts and you'll see how much weight the teams value the difference in those picks.
Also, need comes into play more in the late second than in the early first. At that point the Giants might be focusing on DL while the teams in front of them are focusing on WR. In the first, the Giants, Jets, and Commanders are all going to be looking for a QB. Those are teams we might tie with. Imagine if, say, Daniels is the last of the three QBs on the board and the Jets or the Commanders pick right before us and get him because the edged us in SOS because Seattle lost to Dallas. And we have to watch Jets fans celebrate for years. Or struggle for years against Washington. How happy would you be that they picked four spots earlier in round two then?
I've lived thru a lot of Giants high draft picks where they ended up, say, fifth in a five player draft (Cedric Jones instead of Jonathan Ogden is the best, but not only example). I'd rather not have that happen again and miss out on a guy the Giants desperately need by one pick, all to pick four spots earlier in round 2.
for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
The Week 18 game is at MetLife, not Philly. If the Eagles don't need the game, I don't see them risking injury to Hurts for even the first half. He didn't play a down in the preseason.
for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
While I certainly agree that the likely won’t sit players, it isn’t guaranteed especially if someone like Hurts is banged up.
never root for anything but injuries for the cowturds! Hopefully the Giants that will build a team that can once again beat the cowturds and the green slime!
If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Giants will be tied with someone, so SOS will come into play. There are 6 other teams with four wins and five more with 5 wins. I can guarantee that as much as you can guarantee one loss will change the Seahawks spot.
The Seahawks aren't going to lose out, they still have Tennessee and Arizona. So you can expect 8 wins at a minimum. Do you really think the difference between picking 18th and 22nd in the second round is more important than the difference between picking 4th and 7th in the first? Just look at the trade charts and you'll see how much weight the teams value the difference in those picks.
Also, need comes into play more in the late second than in the early first. At that point the Giants might be focusing on DL while the teams in front of them are focusing on WR. In the first, the Giants, Jets, and Commanders are all going to be looking for a QB. Those are teams we might tie with. Imagine if, say, Daniels is the last of the three QBs on the board and the Jets or the Commanders pick right before us and get him because the edged us in SOS because Seattle lost to Dallas. And we have to watch Jets fans celebrate for years. Or struggle for years against Washington. How happy would you be that they picked four spots earlier in round two then?
I've lived thru a lot of Giants high draft picks where they ended up, say, fifth in a five player draft (Cedric Jones instead of Jonathan Ogden is the best, but not only example). I'd rather not have that happen again and miss out on a guy the Giants desperately need by one pick, all to pick four spots earlier in round 2.
5 player draft? I don’t remember, but are you suggesting there were no great players drafted after Giants took Cedric Jones?
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
So If There Are Positives And Negatives Regardless Of The Outcome
If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Giants will be tied with someone, so SOS will come into play. There are 6 other teams with four wins and five more with 5 wins. I can guarantee that as much as you can guarantee one loss will change the Seahawks spot.
The Seahawks aren't going to lose out, they still have Tennessee and Arizona. So you can expect 8 wins at a minimum. Do you really think the difference between picking 18th and 22nd in the second round is more important than the difference between picking 4th and 7th in the first? Just look at the trade charts and you'll see how much weight the teams value the difference in those picks.
Also, need comes into play more in the late second than in the early first. At that point the Giants might be focusing on DL while the teams in front of them are focusing on WR. In the first, the Giants, Jets, and Commanders are all going to be looking for a QB. Those are teams we might tie with. Imagine if, say, Daniels is the last of the three QBs on the board and the Jets or the Commanders pick right before us and get him because the edged us in SOS because Seattle lost to Dallas. And we have to watch Jets fans celebrate for years. Or struggle for years against Washington. How happy would you be that they picked four spots earlier in round two then?
I've lived thru a lot of Giants high draft picks where they ended up, say, fifth in a five player draft (Cedric Jones instead of Jonathan Ogden is the best, but not only example). I'd rather not have that happen again and miss out on a guy the Giants desperately need by one pick, all to pick four spots earlier in round 2.
5 player draft? I don’t remember, but are you suggesting there were no great players drafted after Giants took Cedric Jones?
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
The Giants have their qb and it appears good back up qb, so move off the qb draft in the first round! Oline, dline, LB, pass rusher, wr re bigger needs!
and rooting for that Texas team.
Looking at Seattles schedule after tonight:
49ers
Eagles
Titans
Steelers
Cardinals
They SHOULD win the last 3, so losing tonight then the next 2 gets them to 9-8 and the playoffs but it should force them vs a better playoff team and keep them in the lower 20s. Hopefully Pitt ( another team I dislike) brings an upset, gets them to 8-9 and possibly oout of the playoffs but at 20.
5 player draft? I don’t remember, but are you suggesting there were no great players drafted after Giants took Cedric Jones?
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
There were a bunch of good or even great players picked after Jones. Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison (Sr.), to name two.
Sure, but the first four in that draft were studs. All pros. All played positions the Giants needed, especially Ogden.
Anyone should want to pick 4th ahead of the Jets and Commanders rather than four spots earlier in round 2. There are lots of good players taken later than 18 in round 2 who become stars.
for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
we want the cowboys to win every game, and that the last game of the season matters to the eagles because they lose .
Sirianni and the Eagles will want to crush the Giants in front of the Philly fans even if they are 15-1 going into the game. Nor will he want the starters not playing for three weeks. I'd bet my house Sirianni and his team will do whatever they can to stomp the Giants into the turf. This isn't KC, it's the Eagles. They hate the Giants and vice versa. Losing to the Giants at home would be an embarrassment for them. They aren't going to role over.
If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
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If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
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If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Giants will be tied with someone, so SOS will come into play. There are 6 other teams with four wins and five more with 5 wins. I can guarantee that as much as you can guarantee one loss will change the Seahawks spot.
The Seahawks aren't going to lose out, they still have Tennessee and Arizona. So you can expect 8 wins at a minimum. Do you really think the difference between picking 18th and 22nd in the second round is more important than the difference between picking 4th and 7th in the first? Just look at the trade charts and you'll see how much weight the teams value the difference in those picks.
Also, need comes into play more in the late second than in the early first. At that point the Giants might be focusing on DL while the teams in front of them are focusing on WR. In the first, the Giants, Jets, and Commanders are all going to be looking for a QB. Those are teams we might tie with. Imagine if, say, Daniels is the last of the three QBs on the board and the Jets or the Commanders pick right before us and get him because the edged us in SOS because Seattle lost to Dallas. And we have to watch Jets fans celebrate for years. Or struggle for years against Washington. How happy would you be that they picked four spots earlier in round two then?
I've lived thru a lot of Giants high draft picks where they ended up, say, fifth in a five player draft (Cedric Jones instead of Jonathan Ogden is the best, but not only example). I'd rather not have that happen again and miss out on a guy the Giants desperately need by one pick, all to pick four spots earlier in round 2.
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for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
The Week 18 game is at MetLife, not Philly. If the Eagles don't need the game, I don't see them risking injury to Hurts for even the first half. He didn't play a down in the preseason.
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for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
While I certainly agree that the likely won’t sit players, it isn’t guaranteed especially if someone like Hurts is banged up.
Agreed
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If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Giants will be tied with someone, so SOS will come into play. There are 6 other teams with four wins and five more with 5 wins. I can guarantee that as much as you can guarantee one loss will change the Seahawks spot.
The Seahawks aren't going to lose out, they still have Tennessee and Arizona. So you can expect 8 wins at a minimum. Do you really think the difference between picking 18th and 22nd in the second round is more important than the difference between picking 4th and 7th in the first? Just look at the trade charts and you'll see how much weight the teams value the difference in those picks.
Also, need comes into play more in the late second than in the early first. At that point the Giants might be focusing on DL while the teams in front of them are focusing on WR. In the first, the Giants, Jets, and Commanders are all going to be looking for a QB. Those are teams we might tie with. Imagine if, say, Daniels is the last of the three QBs on the board and the Jets or the Commanders pick right before us and get him because the edged us in SOS because Seattle lost to Dallas. And we have to watch Jets fans celebrate for years. Or struggle for years against Washington. How happy would you be that they picked four spots earlier in round two then?
I've lived thru a lot of Giants high draft picks where they ended up, say, fifth in a five player draft (Cedric Jones instead of Jonathan Ogden is the best, but not only example). I'd rather not have that happen again and miss out on a guy the Giants desperately need by one pick, all to pick four spots earlier in round 2.
5 player draft? I don’t remember, but are you suggesting there were no great players drafted after Giants took Cedric Jones?
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
There were a bunch of good or even great players picked after Jones. Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison (Sr.), to name two.
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If you're talking about the draft that is only true if you're just looking at the 2nd round pick from Seattle. A Cowboys win hurts us in strength of schedule against the Jets and Tennessee in the first round because it counts as 2 wins by an opponent. A Seattle win only counts as one win. And the same will be true when they play the Eagles.
Giants fans should want Seattle to win this game (and/or the Eagles game), but lose every other game possible. I'd rather pick two spots higher in round one and four spots lower in the second half of round 2.
That's a solid point. But a loss by Seattle against the 'Boys is guaranteed to impact their draft position in RD-2, whereas, there is no guarantee that the Giants will tie either the Jets or the Titans to impact the Giants' RD-1 draft position.
I can pretty much guarantee you the Giants will be tied with someone, so SOS will come into play. There are 6 other teams with four wins and five more with 5 wins. I can guarantee that as much as you can guarantee one loss will change the Seahawks spot.
The Seahawks aren't going to lose out, they still have Tennessee and Arizona. So you can expect 8 wins at a minimum. Do you really think the difference between picking 18th and 22nd in the second round is more important than the difference between picking 4th and 7th in the first? Just look at the trade charts and you'll see how much weight the teams value the difference in those picks.
Also, need comes into play more in the late second than in the early first. At that point the Giants might be focusing on DL while the teams in front of them are focusing on WR. In the first, the Giants, Jets, and Commanders are all going to be looking for a QB. Those are teams we might tie with. Imagine if, say, Daniels is the last of the three QBs on the board and the Jets or the Commanders pick right before us and get him because the edged us in SOS because Seattle lost to Dallas. And we have to watch Jets fans celebrate for years. Or struggle for years against Washington. How happy would you be that they picked four spots earlier in round two then?
I've lived thru a lot of Giants high draft picks where they ended up, say, fifth in a five player draft (Cedric Jones instead of Jonathan Ogden is the best, but not only example). I'd rather not have that happen again and miss out on a guy the Giants desperately need by one pick, all to pick four spots earlier in round 2.
5 player draft? I don’t remember, but are you suggesting there were no great players drafted after Giants took Cedric Jones?
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
Looking at Seattles schedule after tonight:
49ers
Eagles
Titans
Steelers
Cardinals
They SHOULD win the last 3, so losing tonight then the next 2 gets them to 9-8 and the playoffs but it should force them vs a better playoff team and keep them in the lower 20s. Hopefully Pitt ( another team I dislike) brings an upset, gets them to 8-9 and possibly oout of the playoffs but at 20.
This and seattles pick are enough for me. Hate rooting for cowboys but it’s a rare occasion where I will
“Wide Right”
This. And please ditched the neon greens
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5 player draft? I don’t remember, but are you suggesting there were no great players drafted after Giants took Cedric Jones?
Because if there were, it was just a bad pick and not the result of bad draft placement
There were a bunch of good or even great players picked after Jones. Ray Lewis and Marvin Harrison (Sr.), to name two.
Sure, but the first four in that draft were studs. All pros. All played positions the Giants needed, especially Ogden.
Anyone should want to pick 4th ahead of the Jets and Commanders rather than four spots earlier in round 2. There are lots of good players taken later than 18 in round 2 who become stars.
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for the division so I’d like them to keep winning to make week 18 meaningful. That might be a bigger factor than SOS.
I'll keep saying this till I'm blue in the face. There is no way in hell that Sirianni and the Eagles don't try to crush the Giants in that game. First, they hate the Giants. Second, their fans hate the Giants and the game is in Philly. And third, if they sit their starters they will go three weeks between games. No coach is going to do that. Some of the starter might only play a half, but that will be plenty.
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we want the cowboys to win every game, and that the last game of the season matters to the eagles because they lose .
Sirianni and the Eagles will want to crush the Giants in front of the Philly fans even if they are 15-1 going into the game. Nor will he want the starters not playing for three weeks. I'd bet my house Sirianni and his team will do whatever they can to stomp the Giants into the turf. This isn't KC, it's the Eagles. They hate the Giants and vice versa. Losing to the Giants at home would be an embarrassment for them. They aren't going to role over.
This is an art that many WRs need to learn. Not sure that we have a WR on our roster who knows to do this.
These Seahawks unis are excellent.
Our 80s-90s era is so much better.
80s-90s Jets is way better.
Bucs creamsicles
Eagles Kelley greens way better than what they have now
Just about every throwback I can think of I like better.
I’ve never seen that before.
Sirianni and the Eagles will want to crush the Giants in front of the Philly fans even if they are 15-1 going into the game.
The Week 18 game is at MetLife.
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