We already have 4 wins and are likely to get 1 or 2 more meaning we won't be in a position to draft an elite qb prospect. So the question is - should we sacrifice draft capital to trade for an elite qb prospect? I say no. Elite prospects are a crapshoot - no guarantee they will work out. Also, we have many needs starting with our OL where I'd like us to use high draft picks at both tackle and guard. Add to that the fact that we have only one reliable edge rusher, and we have no depth at ILB or Safety. We are fortunate that we've not yet had an injury to Kayvon or either of our starting safeties or inside linebackers. Our goal should be to use draft capital to build an O-line and to build depth at key positions. I want to see us add a QB prospect via free agency or the draft but not give up draft capital on the hope that highly touted prospect will be our answer. I'm sure there will be answers to the contrary and I look forward to hearing them.
If there is a guy he wants, he will try and get him.
But Who knows. JS was more supportive of DJ than I thought he would be.
If there is a guy he wants, he will try and get him.
You are right Ben In Tampa but I don't want us to give up too much. We have so many needs and it's so hard to be right about seemingly elite qb prospects. That being said I trust our GM to do what he thinks is right.
People keep ignoring this. To trade up for a QB there has to be a team that doesn't want him that is willing to move down. THEN you have to outbid other teams that want him too. The best option is to finish at 4 and hope Chicago really wants Harrison more than a QB.
I don't understand this. Why are elite prospects considered anymore a crapshoot than anyone else drafted? The entire draft is a crapshoot.
GM/Scouting can try to science out the draft as far as the can, but it's still going to be just as much art as science.
Yes, that's what it took to get Elisha Manning. Worth it?
I agree with this. I like the idea of taking BPA in the first round as Schoen alluded to, but then a slight trade up in the end of the first to draft a QB. They'd probably only have to trade one of their 2nd rounders and a 4th.
This keeps all of their draft assets and they aren't giving away a kings ransom like the Panthers did.
2 of the worst playing at their worst if not tanking
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It'll almost certainly involve a future first and possibly a lot more.
Yes, that's what it took to get Elisha Manning. Worth it?
I don’t know that it was worth it. The Giants might have done just as well or better with Rivers or certainly Roethlisberger. A lot of draft picks to give up. If not for a couple of miracle throws, you would be talking about what a mistake the Giants made.
If there is a guy he wants, he will try and get him.
The problem is that the Giants need a team with a top 2 pick to be willing to trade it. The Bears, Patriots, Cardinals, and Commanders will not trade that pick if they have it as all four desperately need a QB.
I tend to trust Daboll and Schoen when it comes to QB evaluation and development, even knowing DJ fell flat this season. I still do.
If they love a guy and move resources to get him I would be excited about it. I also have no issues if they stand pat and just add players.
Same here. I normally wouldn't be too keen on taking a QB in round 2 or even at the bottom of round 1 but with this staff I trust the QB development here. EVen Jones, as much as we lose our shit in debating about his play he did in fact do good things in 2022. That speaks to Daboll's offense and tutelage.
Pats have a good defense . Their HC knew that the Giants Oline was thin gruel as far as offering protection . Little bit more complicated than saying he only had 10 points against a crap team . DeVito had a nascent weapon in Hyatt . And Barkley
What quarterback? Based on what or who's evaluation?
DeVito has done serviceable work but we're projecting that into "You don't have to draft a QB early Daboll can just concoct one"
Yes QBs like Allen, Borough, and perhaps now...Stroud do give you a better chance. But who is to say any of them will win a SB. Borough has now had two major injuries.
So much of this is so much more random tham people think. It's a crap shoot. Even for the experts. Fans think they are being nuanced when they admit higher picks only increase the probability of a great QB but don't guarantee it. But perhaps they should say they want to improve their probability of finding a transcendent talent from 12% to 18.5% or whatever the math is. Are the losses really worth it then? They do need to move on from Jones. But there a lot of ways to do it.
Simms
Collins
Eli
Standing pat with pick
Trade for veteran
Trade up for a pick (not technically, but actually)
All three can work. Have to find the right QB. If you are right the price doesn't matter. If you are wrong - the price usually still doesn't matter since you will be in a tough spot for 2-3 years trying to get the chosen one to work. Or 5-6 years in the case of DJ.
The top teams are dominant because the talent level is better. Yes that includes but is not because of QB. These guys all have flaws.
Anyone 100% on ANY of these kids?
I will say this. SCREW running QB's. Scrambler, fine - but designing an offense around a QB's ability to rush is a recipe for making sure your QB never completes a full season.