For the optimists (staying alive) - after DAL win over SEA

Can’t help it. I’m in until they’re out

Let's focus on the draft and the number 2 pick in a best case scenario. Number 1 looks to be gone to the Bears vis the Panthers.

And why does it matter if Atlanta wins or loses if they are going to win their division?

In comment 16309420 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:

Quote:

And why does it matter if Atlanta wins or loses if they are going to win their division?

How do we know they are going to win the division?

In comment 16309410 Jerz44 said:

Quote:

Can’t help it. I’m in until they’re out

It is obvious to even the most optimistic of fans that the Giants are a bad team. You need to engage in some very creative mental gymnastics to view them as still being relevant in this season.

Yet at the moment to a large degree they still control their own destiny. The possibility of them being able to take advantage of that opportunity are very slim.

As a result, I have viewed the past two games minus much of the intensity that usually accompanies that activity, because I realize there could be long term benefits to more loses.

But Green Bay is a game to keep the season alive, I m looking forward to it

Bucs and eagles in the next 2 weeks, they are most likely losing both games

i'd rather not win another game and draft a QB

this team has enough talent on both sides of the ball to compete. all we need is above average QB play

lets stay focused on the long term success of the team

If Seattle won, Dallas lost and thats a win for me

Since Dallas won, playoff hopes still alive + our 2nd second round pick also should improve. There is a huge log jam of teams with the same or similar records picking in the teens, if Seattle doesn't make the playoffs that pick can shoot up quite a few spots.

In comment 16309440 ray in arlington said:

Quote:

In comment 16309420 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said: Quote: And why does it matter if Atlanta wins or loses if they are going to win their division? How do we know they are going to win the division?

Wouldn't we want Alt to win the Division since that would mean NO would be a team that we could have the head to head over in wild card standing.

the higher pick for the QB is important, I have no problems routing for teams to lose in a bye week so that I have more reason to stay awake the following Monday and ponder what a win against GB does.

My pre-season forecast was 8-9 or 9-8 assuming reasonable health and figuring 3-3 NFCE.

So after this shit-show of a season, there's still better than coin flips chance of playoffs at 8-9? That's amazing. It's a stretch, and not the way I'd have drawn it up, but nice to know.

Beat the Pack on MNF and I'll be stoked to watch and filled with week to week (false) hope.

BTW, the Pats defense is what it is, but watching the film, there were sooooooooooo many opportunities that DeVito left on the field that -- for the next ten days anyway -- it's easy to imagine a functional offense if he raises his vision game. Or with TT.

but the defense is really going to have to consistent. They've done well against the last two lower rated teams NY has played. Do not count on the offense scoring 20+ without a bucket of turnovers from the opponent

GB is at a level above NE & Wash - gotta keep them under 20 and maybe NY can squeak by . .

@NO will put up points in the dome, again have to keep the hemorrhaging low

@Philly - forget it

Rams - if Stafford plays and most of offense is fairly healthy it will be tough to stay with them

Philly - mostly depends on how they do in the next few weeks (if they win these games, then week 18 will be their practice squad)

In comment 16309538 Dankbeerman said:

Quote:

In comment 16309440 ray in arlington said: Quote: In comment 16309420 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said: Quote: And why does it matter if Atlanta wins or loses if they are going to win their division? How do we know they are going to win the division? Wouldn't we want Alt to win the Division since that would mean NO would be a team that we could have the head to head over in wild card standing.

Simulator is showins slightly better (59% vs 56%) if NYJ beat ATL in cases like NYG losing 1 to PHI. The clean 2-way tie with NO is perhaps an unlikely scenario and it's easiest when NYG do better than both ATL and NO. However, I think it's fair to call that game a wash.

Not likely to happen, but it would start to get pretty funny if we win our next two games.

In comment 16309707 ryanmkeane said:

Quote:

Not likely to happen, but it would start to get pretty funny if we win our next two games.

Devito getting hot and convincing the league he’s a viable starter would be one of the best possible outcomes. Either as an option for the Giants or a a trade able asset. Not getting my hopes up yet but crazier things have happened

If this happens we hold the 7th playoff spot entering Week 16:

Chiefs over Packers

49ers over Seahawks
Ravens over Rams
Giants over Packers

Eagles over Seahawks
Giants over Saints
Commanders over Rams

It appears to be even simpler if you're just talking about controlling our destiny. Since we play the Rams, Packers and Saints and hold a tiebreaker over Washington, we just need Chiefs over Packers this weekend and the Lions and Vikings to split 2 games with eachother (or the Vikings to just lose once) to control our destiny.

Of course, the Giants have to win out (LOL).

a lot easier and a glimmer of hope.

If we split with Philly and win out otherwise, we can still make the playoffs with a few things happening in our favor down the line - but it gets a lot more complicated and would require Seattle or Green Bay to lose one of their easy matchups (SEA to TEN, PIT or ARZ or GB to TB, CAR or CHI)

Since we still play NO and LAR and need to beat them to make the playoffs, we will have the head-to-head tiebreaker over them. We want them to finish with exactly 8 wins if we think the realistic path to the playoffs is 8-9, so that they can shield us from SEA in tiebreakers, so it’s unclear now if a win is going to be beneficial or not for us.

Also an ATL win benefits us in two ways. It makes it more likely ATL wins the South which is better for us since we can use NO as a shield for the wild card. Also if ATL wins it will be their second AFC win, meaning that we can then use ATL as a shield against SEA since we maxed out at 1 AFC win, so we would have the conference tiebreaker over ATL

good go route arm. You can tell this kid has faced adversity his whole life and he is not rattled at all which is impressive.

The draft, especially QBs, is a crapshoot.

In comment 16310111 Trainmaster said:

Quote:

The draft, especially QBs, is a crapshoot.

THIS!!!

In comment 16310111 Trainmaster said:

Quote:

The draft, especially QBs, is a crapshoot.

100%. The more I look at the QBs, the more I can't tell the difference in potential between Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels and Michael Penix.

In comment 16310206 AJ23 said:

Quote:

In comment 16310111 Trainmaster said: Quote: The draft, especially QBs, is a crapshoot. 100%. The more I look at the QBs, the more I can't tell the difference in potential between Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels and Michael Penix.

How many games of each have you watched?

in hopes of high draft picks. There I said it. We've been abysmal for years. Where has that gotten us?