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JT039 : 12/1/2023 5:57 am
Oregon vs Washington tonight. Oregon is the better team right now. Washington clipped them earlier. Should be a fun matchup with Penix and Nix slinging it. Lot of good WRs as well.

Here’s a hypothetical scenario. You’re winners this weekend:
Washington
Michigan
FSU
Bama
Texas

If this is this case - No SEC in the final 4? Hmmmm
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: FSU should not be in it  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 12:16 am : link
In comment 16311429 bw in dc said:
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All those teams have 1 loss. Assuming FSU holds on to win with their true freshman 3rd string QB. lol come on man. Foh.



So?

If Georgia played FSU right now, Georgia would be favored.

If Alabama played FSU right now, Alabama would be favored.

If Texas played FSU right now, Texas would be favored.

Why? The are better teams right now. And largely because FSU is missing their best offensive player.


Oregon was favored by 10 last night. Georgia was favored over Alabama. What does that mean.

Does anyone actually think this FSU defense is getting blown out by anyone?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: FSU should not be in it  
bw in dc : 12/3/2023 12:22 am : link
In comment 16311467 ajr2456 said:
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Oregon was favored by 10 last night. Georgia was favored over Alabama. What does that mean.

Does anyone actually think this FSU defense is getting blown out by anyone?


The lines of those theoretical games are completely different if Travis is healthy.

I don't think FSU would get blown out. But I don't think they are a real threat on offense anymore, especially against one on of these F4 teams...
Points were made.  
Ceez2.0 : 12/3/2023 12:23 am : link
Pay attention.
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FSU cannot be in the playoff without Jordan Travis.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 12:26 am : link
It sucks, but I don’t know how you can consider them better than the other possible options without him.

Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: FSU should not be in it  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:26 am : link
In comment 16311468 bw in dc said:
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Oregon was favored by 10 last night. Georgia was favored over Alabama. What does that mean.

Does anyone actually think this FSU defense is getting blown out by anyone?



The lines of those theoretical games are completely different if Travis is healthy.

I don't think FSU would get blown out. But I don't think they are a real threat on offense anymore, especially against one on of these F4 teams...


Right now if they had Travis, I think they could beat anybody. Nobody looks THAT good. Georgia's offense was terrible today. I truly is a damn shame.
Give me something to break.  
Ceez2.0 : 12/3/2023 12:36 am : link
😤😤😤😤
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RE: FSU cannot be in the playoff without Jordan Travis.  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 12:36 am : link
In comment 16311470 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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It sucks, but I don’t know how you can consider them better than the other possible options without him.

Michigan
Washington
Texas
Alabama


Give me the FSU defense against McCarthy and Milroe
FSU had more yards with its third string  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 12:39 am : link
Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?
For the Miami bros.  
Ceez2.0 : 12/3/2023 12:47 am : link
🤣🤣
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RE: FSU had more yards with its third string  
jeff57 : 12/3/2023 3:18 am : link
In comment 16311475 ajr2456 said:
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Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?


You’re actually going to compare the Louisville defense to the Iowa defense.
To me it’s not that complicated  
jeff57 : 12/3/2023 3:22 am : link
You have 3 unbeaten teams and two one loss teams. Texas beat Alabama by 10 in Alabama. End of story.
Shoutout to SMU beating Tulane in their backyard  
Rick in Dallas : 12/3/2023 4:37 am : link
Without their starting QB Preston Stone . Terrific win and season for The Mustangs.
No love for OSU?  
Dang Man : 12/3/2023 6:03 am : link
Lost one game all year, which was close, to Michigan. A game in which they were winning at halftime.

This year would’ve been great to have an eight team playoff. A lot of strong teams in the 3-8 range.
RE: RE: FSU had more yards with its third string  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 6:15 am : link
In comment 16311483 jeff57 said:
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Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?



You’re actually going to compare the Louisville defense to the Iowa defense.


With a third string QB who played hurt?
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2023 7:24 am : link
Not a lot of drama about who is in…

Michigan. Washington. Bama. Texas.
RE: FSU had more yards with its third string  
RCPhoenix : 12/3/2023 7:28 am : link
In comment 16311475 ajr2456 said:
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Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?


Seems to me as if there is plenty of questioning Michigan on this thread.

The offense looks different if Loveland and Barner didn’t drop pass after pass.

Losing Zinter had an impact on the OL. They will need to use the next month to sort that out. The

But if everyone is raving about FSU’s defense, then Michigan should also get that same praise. Sainristil had a great game. And Michigan’s sophomore DTs are monsters.

As to the CFB - it should be:

Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
RE: RE: FSU had more yards with its third string  
section125 : 12/3/2023 7:58 am : link
In comment 16311497 RCPhoenix said:
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Than Michigan had tonight. They gave up 30 more yards against a team that averaged 400+ yards a game. Why isn’t Michigan getting questioned?



Seems to me as if there is plenty of questioning Michigan on this thread.

The offense looks different if Loveland and Barner didn’t drop pass after pass.

Losing Zinter had an impact on the OL. They will need to use the next month to sort that out. The

But if everyone is raving about FSU’s defense, then Michigan should also get that same praise. Sainristil had a great game. And Michigan’s sophomore DTs are monsters.

As to the CFB - it should be:

Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas


It is not really questioning Michigan but using a comparison. They are clearly #1 now tha Georgia lost.

But even you gave excuses for Michigan like their OL being hurt and a couple dropped passes. Hell FSU had 4 drops that would have continued drives. And then you say Michigan will have month to get the OL injury sorted out. Well, clearly FSU will have their #2 QB back and that is a likely big upgrade over a freshman #3 QB who had about 5 practices.

I see you say FSU should be in and not I am not criticisizing you - but I was just using your post as an example of what others are doing to FSU.
If you have been paying attention  
Blueworm : 12/3/2023 8:46 am : link
The playoffs started already.

Sorry Georgia.

Maybe even sorry Alabama.
RE: If you have been paying attention  
IchabodGiant : 12/3/2023 8:50 am : link
In comment 16311536 Blueworm said:
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The playoffs started already.

Sorry Georgia.

Maybe even sorry Alabama.


If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!
Order should be  
jeff57 : 12/3/2023 9:16 am : link
Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
RE: RE: If you have been paying attention  
section125 : 12/3/2023 9:22 am : link
In comment 16311537 IchabodGiant said:
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The playoffs started already.

Sorry Georgia.

Maybe even sorry Alabama.



If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!


Alabama was ranked 8th coming into the weekend. Michigan(2), Washington(3), FSU (4), and Texas(7) all won their conference championships...you are saying they should jump one or two teams ranked ahead of them that all won....

They probably will, but that may not sit well.
RE: RE: RE: If you have been paying attention  
IchabodGiant : 12/3/2023 9:24 am : link
In comment 16311560 section125 said:
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The playoffs started already.

Sorry Georgia.

Maybe even sorry Alabama.



If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!



Alabama was ranked 8th coming into the weekend. Michigan(2), Washington(3), FSU (4), and Texas(7) all won their conference championships...you are saying they should jump one or two teams ranked ahead of them that all won....

They probably will, but that may not sit well.


If that’s directed at me, I actually think Alabama should be left out. I was just responding to Blueworm’s statement that “if you’ve been paying attention, the playoffs have already started.”

I think it should be Michigan, Washington, Texas, FSU.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If you have been paying attention  
section125 : 12/3/2023 9:30 am : link
In comment 16311563 IchabodGiant said:
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If that’s directed at me, I actually think Alabama should be left out. I was just responding to Blueworm’s statement that “if you’ve been paying attention, the playoffs have already started.”

I think it should be Michigan, Washington, Texas, FSU.


Ok, I misunderstood your wording.
tough one for the committee -  
Del Shofner : 12/3/2023 9:40 am : link
I think 6 teams have legit arguments that they're among the top 4. Michigan, Washington, Alabama, Texas, FSU and Georgia (who are still a very good team despite the close loss to Bama). Someone will be unhappy no matter what.
RE: RE: If you have been paying attention  
Blueworm : 12/3/2023 9:40 am : link
In comment 16311537 IchabodGiant said:
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The playoffs started already.

Sorry Georgia.

Maybe even sorry Alabama.



If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!


At #8, were they in?

Texas over Bama is tough  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2023 9:42 am : link
they beat them week 2 and Bama just beat Georgia. Kind of a hard sell to say a week 2 win is more important than a conference Championship win.

I won’t be mad at it, but I wouldn’t be for that if I had a vote. Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama. And I actually think FSU/Washington would be a better game than most, the FSU D is playing well.
RE: RE: RE: If you have been paying attention  
section125 : 12/3/2023 9:51 am : link
In comment 16311573 Blueworm said:
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The playoffs started already.

Sorry Georgia.

Maybe even sorry Alabama.



If the “playoffs have already started,” saying “maybe sorry Alabama” is pretty dumb. If the playoffs have already started, Alabama wouldn’t be out with a win. Duh!



At #8, were they in?


He is saying the conference championships are really the start of the playoffs - they are. The losers are eliminated from consideration, aren't they.
RE: Texas over Bama is tough  
BigBlueShock : 12/3/2023 9:53 am : link
In comment 16311574 UConn4523 said:
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they beat them week 2 and Bama just beat Georgia. Kind of a hard sell to say a week 2 win is more important than a conference Championship win.

I won’t be mad at it, but I wouldn’t be for that if I had a vote. Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama. And I actually think FSU/Washington would be a better game than most, the FSU D is playing well.

Texas won their championship game too.

Out of conference games are almost all played early in the season. If you’re going to dismiss them, then they shouldn’t even bother playing them. Both teams knew the stakes in week 2 and Texas went in to Tuscaloosa and beat Bama. That absolutely HAS to matter
Like I said, I wouldnt be mad at it  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2023 10:02 am : link
I just wouldn’t vote for it. There’s no right answer.
RE: Like I said, I wouldnt be mad at it  
BigBlueShock : 12/3/2023 10:06 am : link
In comment 16311582 UConn4523 said:
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I just wouldn’t vote for it. There’s no right answer.

Oh I know. I just think dismissing what happens on the field in lieu of completely subjective opinions on who may or not be the “best teams” is a terrible model to follow. Results should matter much more. You think Alabama is the better team. I think Texas is better. Who’s right? Guessing the best teams is just that…guessing.
Vegas odds for those interested  
Dang Man : 12/3/2023 10:11 am : link
Outsides of Michigan and Wash who are off the board meaning they’re locks…
FSU -400
Texas -300
Alabama +100
RE: RE: Like I said, I wouldnt be mad at it  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2023 10:16 am : link
In comment 16311585 BigBlueShock said:
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I just wouldn’t vote for it. There’s no right answer.


Oh I know. I just think dismissing what happens on the field in lieu of completely subjective opinions on who may or not be the “best teams” is a terrible model to follow. Results should matter much more. You think Alabama is the better team. I think Texas is better. Who’s right? Guessing the best teams is just that…guessing.


My justification would be that beating the #1 team in the nation for the conference title is more important than beating a 3 loss OK State team + the week 2 win. In the end I’d like to see both get it but I think it’s also wrong to put them in over FSU who earned being there. I’m torn, I’m good with whatever they do.
UConn  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 10:19 am : link
I’d personally put Texas in because of the head to head but I think you’re right. If Texas had a rematch with Oklahoma I think it would be a different story.
RE: Texas over Bama is tough  
bw in dc : 12/3/2023 10:20 am : link
In comment 16311574 UConn4523 said:
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they beat them week 2 and Bama just beat Georgia. Kind of a hard sell to say a week 2 win is more important than a conference Championship win.

I won’t be mad at it, but I wouldn’t be for that if I had a vote. Michigan, Washington, FSU, Alabama. And I actually think FSU/Washington would be a better game than most, the FSU D is playing well.


Milroe is a significantly better player than September 9th. So, Texas caught Alabama at the right time breaking in a new QB.

Anyone who follows this closely knows Texas played a very mediocre team in the Big12 final. Oklahoma State posed zero threat. And Michigan played a horrible offensive team in Iowa who represents the putrid Big Ten West. The imbalance between the BTE and BTW is embarrassing for the B1G.

Meanwhile, Alabama had to roll into Georgia's backyard and beat the best team in the country. That was clearly the most impressive performance yesterday and more impressive than UT winning in Tuscaloosa three months ago.

Alabama should be rewarded.

But it's a very difficult year for the selection committee.
Yeah I think Texas clearly played the worst team  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2023 10:22 am : link
out of those on the bubble for the playoff. And since their bye week, they haven’t played anyone of note. Kudos to them for the early season big games but their resume just isn’t as strong as Bamas IMO.
BW, I agree  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2023 10:24 am : link
and if you are of the opinion that FSU shouldn’t make it because their QB is injured, than you should also reward teams who are much better than they were at the start of the season when they picked up a loss. It should work both ways.
RE: BW, I agree  
bw in dc : 12/3/2023 10:36 am : link
In comment 16311599 UConn4523 said:
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and if you are of the opinion that FSU shouldn’t make it because their QB is injured, than you should also reward teams who are much better than they were at the start of the season when they picked up a loss. It should work both ways.


I would feel much different about FSU if Travis was injured but scheduled to come back for the semis. But because he's done, and they have to play inferior QBs now, they are a materially a different team on offense. And the eye test completely supports that.

So, I would reluctantly keep them out. It's just a bad break.

To be consistent, If Penix went down a few weeks ago and his replacement was as ineffective as Travis's, I would make the same exact argument.
Where do you draw the line with injuries though?  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 10:43 am : link
Michigan’s offense hasn’t been good with Zinter out.
RE: tough one for the committee -  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 11:09 am : link
In comment 16311571 Del Shofner said:
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I think 6 teams have legit arguments that they're among the top 4. Michigan, Washington, Alabama, Texas, FSU and Georgia (who are still a very good team despite the close loss to Bama). Someone will be unhappy no matter what.



I don’t think it’s that difficult at all, although that’s not what the committee will say after the fact. The Travis injury gave them a major out and will allow them to make the easier decision.

If Travis wasn’t hurt, I can’t even imagine how difficult this choice would’ve been. They would’ve had to leave the SEC Champ or Texas out of the playoff. That would’ve been a clusterfuck.
Don’t think it’s difficult  
UConn4523 : 12/3/2023 11:15 am : link
in the end there’s no real penalty here for getting it “wrong”. If FSU lost then one of Texas Bama or Georgia would be left out and it would be a rinse repeat of the same conversation. Pick the 4 and move on. College football fans are watching regardless, especially with these programs.
RE: Where do you draw the line with injuries though?  
RCPhoenix : 12/3/2023 12:15 pm : link
In comment 16311615 ajr2456 said:
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Michigan’s offense hasn’t been good with Zinter out.


That was one game where they shut out their opponent. Besides - they know they need to work on the OL leading up to the playoff.
Florida State Out!?!  
armstead98 : 12/3/2023 12:19 pm : link
Michigan, Texas, Washington and Alabama is the decision
If FSU wins their bowl game  
Blueworm : 12/3/2023 12:33 pm : link
They should call themselves National Champs, just like the old days.
Bullshit  
X : 12/3/2023 12:35 pm : link
If you are being honest, UGA is one of the best 4 teams and I hate UGA
RE: Bullshit  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16311723 X said:
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If you are being honest, UGA is one of the best 4 teams and I hate UGA


They lost. That is the way it is. They looked like shit yesterday and they lost. Season on the line and they played poorly.
RE: If FSU wins their bowl game  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:42 pm : link
In comment 16311719 Blueworm said:
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They should call themselves National Champs, just like the old days.


I think they should turn down any bowl games.
A joke  
jeff57 : 12/3/2023 12:43 pm : link
FSU got screwed. Alabama got in because of one play against mediocre team.
You knew the Committee  
5BowlsSoon : 12/3/2023 12:46 pm : link
Couldn’t pick at least one SEC team….politics if nothing else.

I’m sure many on the Committee were rooting like heck for FSU to lose last night, but would settle for an ugly win, and use that to justify their decision.
RE: RE: If FSU wins their bowl game  
jeff57 : 12/3/2023 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16311738 section125 said:
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They should call themselves National Champs, just like the old days.



I think they should turn down any bowl games.


Uh, don’t think the school will turn down the money. But I get your point.

RE: RE: RE: If FSU wins their bowl game  
BigBlueShock : 12/3/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16311763 jeff57 said:
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They should call themselves National Champs, just like the old days.



I think they should turn down any bowl games.



Uh, don’t think the school will turn down the money. But I get your point.

Accept the bid. Show up for the game and then roll out nothing but backups.
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