Oregon vs Washington tonight. Oregon is the better team right now. Washington clipped them earlier. Should be a fun matchup with Penix and Nix slinging it. Lot of good WRs as well.
Here’s a hypothetical scenario. You’re winners this weekend:
Washington
Michigan
FSU
Bama
Texas
If this is this case - No SEC in the final 4? Hmmmm
I’m not sure what to make of Penix. If Georgia wins then presumably it will be Washington vs Michigan in the CFP semifinal. That game will say a lot about him b/c he won’t have clean pockets like he did for most of the game vs Oregon.
I think Penix has the stronger arm and is accurate deep. Can make quick throws. Not sure he reads a quickly as Nix but he had so much more time last night was able to go through possessions. He did make a couple nice emergency throws under pressure. He would be 2nd/3rd round option if not for the knee surgeries. I would take if still there in 4th(he won't be)
I think Nix reads quicker, is accurate up to mid ranges, is more elusive in the pocket. Release is very quick. I did not see enough deep balls but his arm is plenty strong enough and certainly stronger than some on the thread were saying. I would say he is Brock Purdy with a better arm(better runner). The offense Oregon runs may be masking issues with mid to deep throws but I wouldn't mind them taking him in either the 2nd or 3rd round.
Both are upgrades to what the Giants have. Very leery of Penix knees that is why I would take him later.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.
I thought both QB's looked pretty solid. Both had the int's and Nix's was a what the heck...
Not sure how well Penix would perform in the pocket in the NFL. I think the scouts will have to look at all the pressure plays and see if his mechanics break down which makes him off target. I thought he showed he is not just a one read QB but he did have the good ground game/pass pro.
Nix showed he is pretty athletic and willing to lower the shoulder (I wouldn't want this often in the NFL). He seems capable of processing and letting it rip quickly. He did not have very good support with his run game/PP
We will see how it plays out but I think Nix is going round 1 and Penix later 2nd/3rd round.
Well done to Washington and congrats on making the CFP.
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But his mechanics are awful. He must have an incredibly strong arm because every throw is off his back foot and/or off balance, even when he has time.
It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.
He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
We’re likely to miss out on the blue chip QBs so I’m good going with Pennix’s high-upside arm in the 2nd or with a trade into rd 1.
We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.
They aren't out on the top two guys at all. Or Daniels. Ewers and McCarthy will be more sought than Nix and Penix at the end of the day, too if they declare.
Some good throws though throughout the night (and some mistakes) to suggest they have NFL talent in them for sure but I see more Day 2 picks than anything. And not enough from either to trade back into or push them up into RD 1.
Some good throws though throughout the night (and some mistakes) to suggest they have NFL talent in them for sure but I see more Day 2 picks than anything. And not enough from either to trade back into or push them up into RD 1.
Agreed - both looked like good college QBs. Nothing screamed top of round 1.
Oregons defense just really was not up to any challenge either.
Excited to see the Bama-Georgia game today.
That 23% success rate is exactly why you try it. You're automatically assuming they will never get it which is dumb. The reward for getting it is plenty worth the risk of 20 yards. If you ever get it you don't have to worry about getting a stop.
I really dont see the argument for kicking it deep in college. NFL I do, not college.
100% agree.
if you dont get a stop on 1 possession the game is over anyway so giving up the field position is negligible. it is 1 good play on offense.
is the difficulty of getting 20 yards worth a 1 in 4 chance at a turnover? 100% yes. Especially when you just had a 30 second drive consisting of 2 plays that went over 20+ yards.
the fact that the game ended the way it did with field position not mattering because they couldnt get a stop proves that any decision that gave them a chance to avoid playing defense was worth it.
accepting the penalty was a much worse decision than the onsides kick.
nix has some moxie to his game and i think the athleticism is a big plus. the arm talent is probably good enough so with him i think it all comes down to the fit with whatever team is picking him and their system. and obviously how well they think he can handle all the work that comes with being an nfl qb.
end of the day that's kind of what all these decisions come down to. haskins didnt bust for lack of talent or even bc of his lack of athleticism but because he wasnt prepared to be an nfl qb off the field.
this is the deepest qb class in recent memory but imo they all have flaws (including caleb/maye). i think bryce/lawrence/burrow would have rated ahead of any of them as prospects.
Man, they suck.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.
The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
The refs have to stop this game on TKO.
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.
The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
Either that, or Texas has a really good offense.
The refs have to stop this game on TKO.
Just another game in the Big 12, really...
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In comment 16311027 nygiantfan said:
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.
Man, they suck.
I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.
The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
Both U/OK and OKS have been run and gun for about 60 years, with little D.
Most games end up basketball scores.
Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...
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How did Ewers not see the defender?
Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...
Have to give Ewers some slack there.
No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
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How did Ewers not see the defender?
Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...
That was inexplicably bad
Have to give Ewers some slack there.
No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
Well played.
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Have to give Ewers some slack there.
No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
Well played.
Agreed, nicely done
Ewers is so maddening. Throws it 60 yards on a dime then misses an easy out route for a TD - lol.
But I like him too. Think he would have been my 4th QB this year.
This is a massacre.
Ewers is so maddening. Throws it 60 yards on a dime then misses an easy out route for a TD - lol.
But I like him too. Think he would have been my 4th QB this year.
The bold sums it up well.
This is a massacre.
I can't watch this any longer. It's pathetic to even suggest this is a conf championship game.
Will tune back in when the real games start.
It's going to be very interesting if Ewers returns to school. I assume that Texas wants to start Arch Manning next year. Would they risk him transferring by starting Ewers again if he returns?
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lets see next year in SEC, real defenses. Hope he plays well and declares after that, just a sophomore.
It's going to be very interesting if Ewers returns to school. I assume that Texas wants to start Arch Manning next year. Would they risk him transferring by starting Ewers again if he returns?
It’s not even a question. Arch will have enormous interest/options.
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No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
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Does Arch transfer?
No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
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Does Arch transfer?
No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
Nope, Manning loves it there. He has been a Texas fan since he was a kid, which is why he chose them. He'll get his years to play.
Murphy is the guy who needs to move. I'd he wants to showcase his skills it's not happening at Texas. This is Archie's job next.