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JT039 : 12/1/2023 5:57 am
Oregon vs Washington tonight. Oregon is the better team right now. Washington clipped them earlier. Should be a fun matchup with Penix and Nix slinging it. Lot of good WRs as well.

Here’s a hypothetical scenario. You’re winners this weekend:
Washington
Michigan
FSU
Bama
Texas

If this is this case - No SEC in the final 4? Hmmmm
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RE: .  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 6:44 am : link
In comment 16310799 Go Terps said:
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I came out of this game still liking both QBs for the Giants. I'd have both behind Daniels, but I'd have Daniels in a tier above everybody on his own. After that they're bunched up, in my eyes.


I’m not sure what to make of Penix. If Georgia wins then presumably it will be Washington vs Michigan in the CFP semifinal. That game will say a lot about him b/c he won’t have clean pockets like he did for most of the game vs Oregon.
From my uneducated eyes  
section125 : 12/2/2023 6:51 am : link
I saw two completely different QBs. This is the 1st time I watched either, so take this with a grain of salt...

I think Penix has the stronger arm and is accurate deep. Can make quick throws. Not sure he reads a quickly as Nix but he had so much more time last night was able to go through possessions. He did make a couple nice emergency throws under pressure. He would be 2nd/3rd round option if not for the knee surgeries. I would take if still there in 4th(he won't be)

I think Nix reads quicker, is accurate up to mid ranges, is more elusive in the pocket. Release is very quick. I did not see enough deep balls but his arm is plenty strong enough and certainly stronger than some on the thread were saying. I would say he is Brock Purdy with a better arm(better runner). The offense Oregon runs may be masking issues with mid to deep throws but I wouldn't mind them taking him in either the 2nd or 3rd round.

Both are upgrades to what the Giants have. Very leery of Penix knees that is why I would take him later.
RE: Penix seems like a great kid  
JoeSchoens11 : 12/2/2023 7:28 am : link
In comment 16310724 bigbluehoya said:
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But his mechanics are awful. He must have an incredibly strong arm because every throw is off his back foot and/or off balance, even when he has time.

It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.

He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.
We’re likely to miss out on the blue chip QBs so I’m good going with Pennix’s high-upside arm in the 2nd or with a trade into rd 1.

We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.
Not what I expected  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2023 7:30 am : link
I thought Oregon would win this but credit to Washington. Pretty impressive offensive team overall.

I thought both QB's looked pretty solid. Both had the int's and Nix's was a what the heck...

Not sure how well Penix would perform in the pocket in the NFL. I think the scouts will have to look at all the pressure plays and see if his mechanics break down which makes him off target. I thought he showed he is not just a one read QB but he did have the good ground game/pass pro.

Nix showed he is pretty athletic and willing to lower the shoulder (I wouldn't want this often in the NFL). He seems capable of processing and letting it rip quickly. He did not have very good support with his run game/PP

We will see how it plays out but I think Nix is going round 1 and Penix later 2nd/3rd round.

Well done to Washington and congrats on making the CFP.

RE: RE: Penix seems like a great kid  
Toth029 : 12/2/2023 7:59 am : link
In comment 16310824 JoeSchoens11 said:
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But his mechanics are awful. He must have an incredibly strong arm because every throw is off his back foot and/or off balance, even when he has time.

It’s incredible that he’s as accurate as he is on some of these throws.

He’s a hard pass for me as far as the Giants are concerned, unless it’s a Day 3 flier/project.

We’re likely to miss out on the blue chip QBs so I’m good going with Pennix’s high-upside arm in the 2nd or with a trade into rd 1.

We have DJ for ‘24 (and possibly ‘25, if he earns it) which puts us in good position to work on mechanical issues and actually groom a qb like teams did back in the day.


They aren't out on the top two guys at all. Or Daniels. Ewers and McCarthy will be more sought than Nix and Penix at the end of the day, too if they declare.
It was a pretty decent game to watch but didn’t think either  
nygiantfan : 12/2/2023 8:11 am : link
Nix or Penix showed special attributes.

Some good throws though throughout the night (and some mistakes) to suggest they have NFL talent in them for sure but I see more Day 2 picks than anything. And not enough from either to trade back into or push them up into RD 1.
I thought the star of the game for Wash ws the RB, not Penix  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2023 10:27 am : link
I liked Nix more than Penix as an NFL projection. The lack of mobility and pocket presence worries me about Penix at the NFL level. Given time yes he has a great arm and can pick you apart, but so can a lot of guys. Nix seems more suited to the NFL IMO>
RE: It was a pretty decent game to watch but didn’t think either  
HBart : 12/2/2023 10:50 am : link
In comment 16310835 nygiantfan said:
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Nix or Penix showed special attributes.

Some good throws though throughout the night (and some mistakes) to suggest they have NFL talent in them for sure but I see more Day 2 picks than anything. And not enough from either to trade back into or push them up into RD 1.

Agreed - both looked like good college QBs. Nothing screamed top of round 1.
Washington  
Sammo85 : 12/2/2023 11:07 am : link
simply had more talent in my opinion and really was better overall team. Offensively they have maybe six or seven guys that can play in NFL tomorrow. Oregon had maybe two.

Oregons defense just really was not up to any challenge either.

Excited to see the Bama-Georgia game today.
Let’s get some chaos today  
JT039 : 12/2/2023 11:41 am : link
Ref misses obvious  
JT039 : 12/2/2023 12:21 pm : link
PI call against Texas on third down. Poor punt plus penalty leads to short TD drive.

RE: I don't know what the success rate  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2023 12:29 pm : link
In comment 16310792 MookGiants said:
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of onsides kicks in college football was this year but from 2014-2020 it was about a 23% success rate.

That 23% success rate is exactly why you try it. You're automatically assuming they will never get it which is dumb. The reward for getting it is plenty worth the risk of 20 yards. If you ever get it you don't have to worry about getting a stop.

I really dont see the argument for kicking it deep in college. NFL I do, not college.


100% agree.

if you dont get a stop on 1 possession the game is over anyway so giving up the field position is negligible. it is 1 good play on offense.

is the difficulty of getting 20 yards worth a 1 in 4 chance at a turnover? 100% yes. Especially when you just had a 30 second drive consisting of 2 plays that went over 20+ yards.

the fact that the game ended the way it did with field position not mattering because they couldnt get a stop proves that any decision that gave them a chance to avoid playing defense was worth it.

accepting the penalty was a much worse decision than the onsides kick.
Well no chaos so far  
JT039 : 12/2/2023 12:34 pm : link
I love Worthy. I’d be looking at him in the 2nd round.
penix scares me the way haskins did not facing much pressure  
Eric on Li : 12/2/2023 12:39 pm : link
but the arm talent is similarly obvious. dont like the lack of mobility but if he's their guy there's enough there to get excited about.

nix has some moxie to his game and i think the athleticism is a big plus. the arm talent is probably good enough so with him i think it all comes down to the fit with whatever team is picking him and their system. and obviously how well they think he can handle all the work that comes with being an nfl qb.

end of the day that's kind of what all these decisions come down to. haskins didnt bust for lack of talent or even bc of his lack of athleticism but because he wasnt prepared to be an nfl qb off the field.

this is the deepest qb class in recent memory but imo they all have flaws (including caleb/maye). i think bryce/lawrence/burrow would have rated ahead of any of them as prospects.
Let’s Go Noles!  
Ceez2.0 : 12/2/2023 12:40 pm : link
Do they deserve to be in or not? Fuck all that noise and fuck all the haters. Let’s take the decision out of their hands and smoke on some cardinal pack tonight! 😤
Oklahoma State’s defense is terrible  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 12:54 pm : link
I’m not sure they’ll be able to force a punt today unless it’s in garbage time
Note to Joe Schoen:  
nygiantfan : 12/2/2023 12:55 pm : link
Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.

Man, they suck.
RE: Note to Joe Schoen:  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16311027 nygiantfan said:
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.

Man, they suck.


I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.
RE: RE: Note to Joe Schoen:  
nygiantfan : 12/2/2023 1:03 pm : link
In comment 16311032 RCPhoenix said:
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.

Man, they suck.



I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.


Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.

The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.
I mean is this really happening?  
nygiantfan : 12/2/2023 1:10 pm : link
I have never seen a defense this bad in all my years of watching football, at any level.

The refs have to stop this game on TKO.
RE: RE: RE: Note to Joe Schoen:  
barens : 12/2/2023 1:14 pm : link
In comment 16311036 nygiantfan said:
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.

Man, they suck.



I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.



Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.

The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.


Either that, or Texas has a really good offense.
Should I start a separate  
barens : 12/2/2023 1:15 pm : link
Alabama/Georgia thread? Or would that not go well?
RE: I mean is this really happening?  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:17 pm : link
In comment 16311040 nygiantfan said:
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I have never seen a defense this bad in all my years of watching football, at any level.

The refs have to stop this game on TKO.


Just another game in the Big 12, really...
Say what you want about...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:19 pm : link
Ewers, and there are places to criticize, but JFC can he spin it. That is what you call natural arm talent.
RE: RE: RE: Note to Joe Schoen:  
Joe Beckwith : 12/2/2023 1:19 pm : link
In comment 16311036 nygiantfan said:
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Don't draft anyone from Oklahoma St defense.

Man, they suck.



I have no idea if they have any actual talent because they clearly are not well coached.



Agree. They can't rush the passer, cover or tackle. They look like a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off running around out there.

The best hit they had was hitting the Texas guy out of bounds.

Both U/OK and OKS have been run and gun for about 60 years, with little D.
Most games end up basketball scores.
Right on cue..  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:20 pm : link
for Ewers.
Yikes  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 1:20 pm : link
How did Ewers not see the defender?
RE: Yikes  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:22 pm : link
In comment 16311051 RCPhoenix said:
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How did Ewers not see the defender?


Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...
RE: RE: Yikes  
nygiantfan : 12/2/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16311053 bw in dc said:
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How did Ewers not see the defender?



Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...


Have to give Ewers some slack there.

No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.
RE: RE: Yikes  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 1:24 pm : link
In comment 16311053 bw in dc said:
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How did Ewers not see the defender?



Clearly not. Seemed to get a bit nonchalant...


That was inexplicably bad
RE: RE: RE: Yikes  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:25 pm : link
In comment 16311056 nygiantfan said:
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Have to give Ewers some slack there.

No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.


Well played.
Wasn’t Knowles supposed to be some defensive guru for Oklahoma State?  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 1:26 pm : link
Because of course that’s worked out so well for Ohio State when they play Michigan
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yikes  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 1:26 pm : link
In comment 16311060 bw in dc said:
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Have to give Ewers some slack there.

No one had seen anybody on OK St. Defense on the field in this game yet either.



Well played.


Agreed, nicely done
Let's be honest...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:30 pm : link
if you can convince yourself that you can train Ewers's brain to work in the NFL, he is a first round talent for sure.
BTW...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:31 pm : link
watching Ok State's D is like watching a hockey team down a man fighting off a power play.
RE: Let's be honest...  
JT039 : 12/2/2023 1:33 pm : link
In comment 16311068 bw in dc said:
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if you can convince yourself that you can train Ewers's brain to work in the NFL, he is a first round talent for sure.


Ewers is so maddening. Throws it 60 yards on a dime then misses an easy out route for a TD - lol.

But I like him too. Think he would have been my 4th QB this year.
Might be time...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:35 pm : link
for Sark to get Arch or Maalik up in the bullpen.

This is a massacre.
RE: RE: Let's be honest...  
bw in dc : 12/2/2023 1:36 pm : link
In comment 16311070 JT039 said:
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Ewers is so maddening. Throws it 60 yards on a dime then misses an easy out route for a TD - lol.

But I like him too. Think he would have been my 4th QB this year.


The bold sums it up well.
RE: Might be time...  
nygiantfan : 12/2/2023 1:47 pm : link
In comment 16311073 bw in dc said:
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for Sark to get Arch or Maalik up in the bullpen.

This is a massacre.


I can't watch this any longer. It's pathetic to even suggest this is a conf championship game.

Will tune back in when the real games start.
Ewers is not coming out this year  
FGiant : 12/2/2023 1:48 pm : link
lets see next year in SEC, real defenses. Hope he plays well and declares after that, just a sophomore.
Sark fucks up  
JT039 : 12/2/2023 1:50 pm : link
By not calling timeout.
RE: Ewers is not coming out this year  
Jay on the Island : 12/2/2023 2:02 pm : link
In comment 16311085 FGiant said:
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lets see next year in SEC, real defenses. Hope he plays well and declares after that, just a sophomore.

It's going to be very interesting if Ewers returns to school. I assume that Texas wants to start Arch Manning next year. Would they risk him transferring by starting Ewers again if he returns?
RE: RE: Ewers is not coming out this year  
Sammo85 : 12/2/2023 2:34 pm : link
In comment 16311095 Jay on the Island said:
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lets see next year in SEC, real defenses. Hope he plays well and declares after that, just a sophomore.


It's going to be very interesting if Ewers returns to school. I assume that Texas wants to start Arch Manning next year. Would they risk him transferring by starting Ewers again if he returns?


It’s not even a question. Arch will have enormous interest/options.
Ewers  
jeff57 : 12/2/2023 2:51 pm : link
The likelihood of star quarterback Quinn Ewers returning to Texas and playing a fourth season of college football has increased exponentially in the past few weeks, sources told ESPN.
Link - ( New Window )
If Ewers comes back  
RCPhoenix : 12/2/2023 2:57 pm : link
Does Arch transfer?
RE: If Ewers comes back  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2023 2:58 pm : link
In comment 16311110 RCPhoenix said:
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Does Arch transfer?


No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.
OK ST defense sucks  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2023 3:00 pm : link
They win their games by outscoring teams. Unfortunately for them Texas has a good D. Texas is for real.
Remember Texas scored 34 at Bama, they can score on anyone  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2023 3:02 pm : link
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RE: RE: If Ewers comes back  
Sammo85 : 12/2/2023 3:03 pm : link
In comment 16311114 PatersonPlank said:
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Does Arch transfer?



No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.


There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.
RE: RE: RE: If Ewers comes back  
PatersonPlank : 12/2/2023 3:06 pm : link
In comment 16311118 Sammo85 said:
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Does Arch transfer?



No, Murphy probably does. They have a deep QB room.



There is no way Manning sits another year behind Ewers. He will 100 percent transfer out.


Nope, Manning loves it there. He has been a Texas fan since he was a kid, which is why he chose them. He'll get his years to play.

Murphy is the guy who needs to move. I'd he wants to showcase his skills it's not happening at Texas. This is Archie's job next.
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