Oregon vs Washington tonight. Oregon is the better team right now. Washington clipped them earlier. Should be a fun matchup with Penix and Nix slinging it. Lot of good WRs as well.
Here’s a hypothetical scenario. You’re winners this weekend:
Washington
Michigan
FSU
Bama
Texas
If this is this case - No SEC in the final 4? Hmmmm
FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
A bit messy, but I would be okay with Bama over Texas. It's close but that is how I would lean.
All games count but not to the same degree based on time and circumstance. Beating a clear-cut overall #1 team that hasn't lost in forever, on the eve of the playoffs, is a damn strong case for Bama.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
Did you not see the rest of the season? Again, the UT win should count for something and to me it would carry much more weight if it wasn’t so early in the season.
Throw in UT has lost since and Bama hasn’t and that’s where the monkey wrench gets thrown in for me. Plus I think Bama has played a tougher schedule since then and if they beat #1 UGA that’s the clincher for me on them getting the nod.
I get the other side of this but I have to wonder if it wasn’t Bama but another team would people feel the same?
Not to mention Florida State beat LSU in Baton Rouge, handily.
A Bama/Georgia matchup versus FSU would be about 40-13.
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
Did you not see the rest of the season? Again, the UT win should count for something and to me it would carry much more weight if it wasn’t so early in the season.
Throw in UT has lost since and Bama hasn’t and that’s where the monkey wrench gets thrown in for me. Plus I think Bama has played a tougher schedule since then and if they beat #1 UGA that’s the clincher for me on them getting the nod.
I get the other side of this but I have to wonder if it wasn’t Bama but another team would people feel the same?
Of coruse i would. Beating a team head to head should be the number 1 factor moving forward when two teams have similar resumes. And again - when they play doesnt matter. There's no assigned value on the week they played. Especially when they lost at HOME.
And I saw Bama last week. They sucked. They got lucky. Is that something that should be considered then too? Because if you are going to argue it was a rivalry game - wasnt Texas's loss against their main rival?
How'd that work out for TCU the following week?
Oh yeah, 65-7.
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Is part of the problem. Why? The SEC had the worst non conference record, the bottom half of the SEC was absolutely terrible. There were five good teams (tennesse shouldn’t be ranked they only are because they’re SEC).
Past conference reputation should have no impact on this years rankings.
I wouldnt even consider Missouri or Ole Miss good teams. They are pretty good. Ole Miss two best wins are against Tulane and LSU and they gave up 50 in one of those games.
And dont give me rankings with this team. If Michigan beats Iowa - is anyone really going to be impressed with them beating a top 15 team? Of course not.
Regarding Ole Miss win vs. Tulane, Tulane had their backup QB in and were still in it towards the end.
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In comment 16309563 ThomasG said:
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FSU doesn't. Undefeated in this ACC?...whatever.
Hopefully they will just lose and give the committee a way out instead of having to exercise poor judgment.
Then you better hope Oklahoma State wins too. I cant see how you oput Bama in over a team they lost to at home.
Did you not see the rest of the season? Again, the UT win should count for something and to me it would carry much more weight if it wasn’t so early in the season.
Throw in UT has lost since and Bama hasn’t and that’s where the monkey wrench gets thrown in for me. Plus I think Bama has played a tougher schedule since then and if they beat #1 UGA that’s the clincher for me on them getting the nod.
I get the other side of this but I have to wonder if it wasn’t Bama but another team would people feel the same?
Of coruse i would. Beating a team head to head should be the number 1 factor moving forward when two teams have similar resumes. And again - when they play doesnt matter. There's no assigned value on the week they played. Especially when they lost at HOME.
And I saw Bama last week. They sucked. They got lucky. Is that something that should be considered then too? Because if you are going to argue it was a rivalry game - wasnt Texas's loss against their main rival?
Difference being Bama didn’t lose to their rival on the road while UT did on a neutral field. Plus this is all based on Bama beating UGA who has won how many games in a row? That win would carry more weight for me than any other teams win, anywhere, anytime this year.
We can agree to disagree but you have to consider how big a win that would be. Personally I don’t think anyone beats UGA if Bama doesn’t. I’m not saying Bama will win as I’m definitely giving UGA the nod in that game, but my point is what if Bama does win that game?
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Over Bama doesn’t count because it was too early, then just start the season in November. What’s the point of playing the games?
Texas scheduled Alabama on the road and beat them.
I cede the point on H2H. But there is more credibility and weight if Bama takes out Georgia on the "road". That would be too good of an accomplishment.
BTW, you know these rivalries like Bama v Auburn are games where the records mean nothing. Those games get nuts. So, I wouldn't be so quick to diminish that win by Bama....
Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
We can agree to disagree but you have to consider how big a win that would be. Personally I don’t think anyone beats UGA if Bama doesn’t. I’m not saying Bama will win as I’m definitely giving UGA the nod in that game, but my point is what if Bama does win that game?
I am not downplaying it. Beating Georgia would be huge. However - youre a committee member. You are putting 3 undefeated teams in (Michigan, Washington, FSU) - you have one spot left
Georgia - no conference title, Lost to Alabama
Alabama - conference title, lost to Texas
Texas - conference title, beat Bama
How do you not take the team with the similar resume that you beat head to head? If you discard the head to head battle - youre basically telling any contender never to schedule a tough out of conference opponent cause they are essentially meaningless.
Jordan Travis is good, but it’s not like they’re losing Clemson Deshaun Watson. There’s even some things Rodemaker does better, including the deep ball. Their defense has also given up 58 second half points this year. FSU is legit with out without Travis. Would they beat Georgia, probably not. But I don’t think it’s r guaranteed blowout everyone is expecting.
Do you think FSU is undefeated with any other QB on that roster playing except Travis?
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We can agree to disagree but you have to consider how big a win that would be. Personally I don’t think anyone beats UGA if Bama doesn’t. I’m not saying Bama will win as I’m definitely giving UGA the nod in that game, but my point is what if Bama does win that game?
I am not downplaying it. Beating Georgia would be huge. However - youre a committee member. You are putting 3 undefeated teams in (Michigan, Washington, FSU) - you have one spot left
Georgia - no conference title, Lost to Alabama
Alabama - conference title, lost to Texas
Texas - conference title, beat Bama
How do you not take the team with the similar resume that you beat head to head? If you discard the head to head battle - youre basically telling any contender never to schedule a tough out of conference opponent cause they are essentially meaningless.
In that scenario I agree it would be very tough but I think a Conference jChamp win over an undefeated UGA at this point in the season would tip the scales.
I get the scheduling tough games argument and it’s something I want to see more teams do, and as fun as it was to watch so early in the year, I honestly feel that UT win would carry more weight if it wasn’t so early.
It would really be good to see more teams toughen up their schedules and sprinkle some of these out of conference battles for a bit later in the year. Very difficult for me to put more weight on an early September game, even a head to head one, than a late season Conference Champ win over an undefeated team like UGA.
Good back and forth though and I can see the argument for both sides, but I’m just giving my take. Doesn’t mean I’m right but it’s how I see it.
Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
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Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
But the Travis argument is just pure opinion. Until FSU's backup QB's lose a game, they can't omit an undefeated power 5 team, especially one with Florida State's history.
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Along with Michigan, Texas, fsu, Oregon Bama shouldn’t get in.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
It would be absolute absurdity to put a one-loss team in ahead of an undefeated team that won their conference.
If you want a playoff where the teams who just look better this week are in, just have an online fan vote and take the teams the public votes in!
Ohio State - Notre Dame - USC - Miami
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
Why would a team that is not even the best team in the SEC possibly be the best team in the country?
If Alabama beats Georgia, Georgia should be out. I know it won't work that way, but it should. If conferences are going to have championship games, they should mean something.
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Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
It absolutely doesn't change who they are until they lose. Should the playoffs really be a guess about how an individual player will play?
If Michigan wins the B1G Championship, but JJ McCarthy tears an ACL in practice the next week, should the committee replace them in the playoff?
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And obviously a 2-loss Bama team would be out as well.
But if Georgia loses tomorrow and it is a good close game, both Bama and Georgia should be in the final four.
Why would a team that is not even the best team in the SEC possibly be the best team in the country?
If Alabama beats Georgia, Georgia should be out. I know it won't work that way, but it should. If conferences are going to have championship games, they should mean something.
Who says the SEC championship doesn't mean something?
And go look up and see what the best team in the country a mere 2 years ago did. They lost the SEC Championship.
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Texas has only lost one game, to #8 or so Oklahoma. This was a rivalry game as you state above, and Texas lost with seconds to go on a neutral field. Texas will have won 4 games over top 25 teams (which is at or near the top), beat Bama H2H on the road, have only 1 loss (to a top 10 team), and have one of the top Strength of Schedules in the country (they were #9 last I checked) They would deserve it in this scenario.
Having said that I think the winners this weekend are:
Georgia
Mich
Louisville
Wash
Texas
In this scenario I think Texas gets in as they leapfrog over an idle Ohio St team.
I totally get the Texas argument. It's a strong one.
And I feel bad for FSU because college football is much better when they are relevant. Norvell has steadily rebuilt them back to prominence. But the loss of Travis changes what they are.
Next year the playoff expands to twelve. It's a year too late. This would have been the ideal year to use that format instead of the F4.
It absolutely doesn't change who they are until they lose. Should the playoffs really be a guess about how an individual player will play?
If Michigan wins the B1G Championship, but JJ McCarthy tears an ACL in practice the next week, should the committee replace them in the playoff?
They could before the announcement on Sunday - sure.
After Sunday, the playoffs are set.
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Along with Michigan, Texas, fsu, Oregon Bama shouldn’t get in.
Oregon would have the better resume and head to head has to matter even if it was early in the year
Beating Georgia on the road - SEC CG is in ATL - would be enough for me to qualify Bama over FSU and UT.
For me, FSU just isn't the same team right now and Bama lost early enough to recover from that UT loss, even if it was H2H.
It would be absolute absurdity to put a one-loss team in ahead of an undefeated team that won their conference.
If you want a playoff where the teams who just look better this week are in, just have an online fan vote and take the teams the public votes in!
Ohio State - Notre Dame - USC - Miami
I want the four best teams. Being undefeated means something, but not everything....to me.
Look, the entire process is subjective. Even the selection committee admits they apply an eye test.
I still don’t think all that much of Alabama this year. Not a believer in Milroe against top 5 teams. UGA is no pun intended the top dog right now. Close loss they should stay in. Blow out loss I would say stay home but right or wrong the last 2 seasons matter.
The two best teams based strictly on my eye test are UGA and Oregon. Washington doesn’t have the defense to win the playoff but Oregon does. Lanning is a fantastic coach.
Undefeated Michigan will undoubtedly be in but I’m pretty tired of their cupcake OOC and riding the OSU win. They don’t have the offense to win.
Fun year, lots of very good teams. Its great for CFB that Michigan, Florida State and Texas are very good again. NIL has had a good effect on parity in CFB. Looking forward to the playoff expansion.
What some are backing here is just dismissing an entire year's worth of games and saying a team is one player, and if that player is out that team is out.
I think teams should earn their place into a playoff. Beat the teams in-front of you and win your conference. You do that and you are in. If you can't, you aren't in.
If the way you develop your playoff field can ever involve the line "But remember week 3 against Vandy on the road" you have a bad process.
Agree completely. A one-loss Bama team that wins the SEC should be in the playoff.
What some are backing here is just dismissing an entire year's worth of games and saying a team is one player, and if that player is out that team is out.
Yes, I am saying just that because FSU in particular are not going to be as competitive without Travis. He was the straw that stirred that drink.
IMV, his loss has made it virtually impossible for FSU to win the playoffs now.
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
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You would be fine if Michigan goes undefeated, wins the B1G championship 55-3, but is left out of the playoff because McCarthy was on crutches after the game?
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
The conference championship was last weekend. Let’s be realistic.
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You would be fine if Michigan goes undefeated, wins the B1G championship 55-3, but is left out of the playoff because McCarthy was on crutches after the game?
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
The conference championship was last weekend. Let’s be realistic.
Hence the joke. Quite the conference where 1 game a year matters between only 2 teams and it isn't even the championship.
They have struggled lately, but that's a lot of points against a familiar opponent, especially one they beat.
So, while it's a classic "sucker line" and you probably should follow the money and play Oregon, I'm taking the 9.5.
There have been plenty of years where the SEC was absolutely loaded in years past especially the SECW. Has not been that way in a while.
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You would be fine if Michigan goes undefeated, wins the B1G championship 55-3, but is left out of the playoff because McCarthy was on crutches after the game?
If Michigan can go undefeated and win their championship 55-3 then their conference is a complete joke and that is why two SEC teams would be a better representation in the CFP.
The conference championship was last weekend. Let’s be realistic.
Hence the joke. Quite the conference where 1 game a year matters between only 2 teams and it isn't even the championship.
The realignment of all these major conferences has killed some conferences. Big 10 west has been a joke for years
There have been plenty of years where the SEC was absolutely loaded in years past especially the SECW. Has not been that way in a while.
No conference was really stellar this year.
Pac2 looked better because of the QB play overall. If Utah didn't lose Rising, that conference would have been an absolute war.
UDub is doing that on this opening drive.
if mara forces schoens hand, this is a great plan.
I still don't know why teams just don't sit on it. But for some reason they don't...