Should Pugh be starting LG next year?

Not unless they have no other option. His first game was note worthy, but he hasn't been very good.

Just wants one last contract. He hasn’t been good enough to warrant another one, unless it’s a similar contract to what he got this year (1 yr, 1.3 million). Ezeudu should be the starting LG next season.

Good guy to have with some young kids and hopefully a new OL Coach.

The Giants are at the bottom of the NFL and Joe Schoen and Brian Daboll are supposed to be building a team for the future that doesn't resemble the morass of the last dozen years.

In that vein, the Giants need two (relatively young) starting offensive guards who are not on the current roster. I have no problem with Pugh as a reliable back-up. But not as a Day One starter. No way. If he is, then the Giants are not moving forward.

If he's starting next year, it will signal that we are still in bad shape on the OL and have not addressed this glaring weakness. He may be fine as a swing man, but starting? No. Watching the Dallas defense last night, we have a long way to go on the OL and starting Pugh would not be a sign of progress.

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JFC.

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Starter caliber at this poing in his career. At reasonable cost he’s a reliable backup. We need to build the lines on both sides of the ball with the type of linemen that combine power and agility….like the Eagles.There’s a reason they have the best record in the NFL…

Not physical and gets pushed around in the run game.

We’ve been so bad on the OL that folks are convinced that Pugh is a starting caliber OL. He’s not. There might not be another team in the league on which he would be a starter.

Would he be on the roster of the Eagles or Cowboys?

In comment 16309415 varco said:

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If he's starting next year, it will signal that we are still in bad shape on the OL and have not addressed this glaring weakness. He may be fine as a swing man, but starting? No. Watching the Dallas defense last night, we have a long way to go on the OL and starting Pugh would not be a sign of progress.

This.

But if he ends up being a starter, something went terribly wrong

I mean nobody. Let them fight it out in camp and may the best player win. The OL is an absolute nightmare. Forget contract. Forget draft position. The NFL is a meritocracy. You gotta earn it.

should be sure starters next year. We should be set at LT and C. The other three spots should be up for grabs, though I suspect the Giants will continue to hope that the Neal pick pans out.

Absolutely fucking not. He is terrible and old.

And no to Ezeudu as well. He isnt very good either and constantly hurt. Draft one guard and signed another veteran in FA.

Our guards are terrible.

Or fighting for a roster spot, sure.

The love that guy gets around here.

He is consistently the worst of our five OL, game in game out. He’s playing because we’re in injury Hell right now (as always, I guess), but good God he cannot be on the roster in 2024.

In comment 16309458 JT039 said:

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Absolutely fucking not. He is terrible and old. And no to Ezeudu as well. He isnt very good either and constantly hurt. Draft one guard and signed another veteran in FA. Our guards are terrible.

This is right, except for Ezeudu. He gets another year on the Schoen plan.

Absolutely not

When last seen Pugh and the OL across the board did a nice job pass blocking.

Presumably we draft a guard, Hausnauer is back. and Glowinski is gone. I don't know what to think about Bredeson, and no idea what the coaches think/see in Ezudu and Mckethan's future.

I imagine Pugh gets re-signed to a vet minimum deal to compete with the above (plus another dude or two). If he makes the 2024 final cut he belongs there.

Have given up on Ezeudu already. It was completely his fault that he had to play LT, a position he had no practice time in. Also NFL linemen usually take a big jump in year 3.

Oof. He's a vet who doesn't make too many mistakes but he gets beat physically out there a lot IMO. Need someone better at both guard positions and RT. Only C and LT are set.

So I'm lumping Bredeson into this, are guys you should be happy with as back ups, but neither are guys I want as permanent starters.

It still seems like we're going to be tied to Neal next year, so as far as I'm concerned we should go into the offseason looking for 2 starting guards and a strong swing tackle that can step in if Neal doesn't develop further.

just how shitty the Giants really are....

Even if he is weekly inactive, it will be a sign that this o-line continues to be a disaster.

that he is coming off an ACL, didn't have any training camp. I agree the best case senario would be having him as a backup. However, let him compete with Ezuedu or whomever, and let th best man start.

Like him back as a backup.

Cannot believe this is a serious suggestion unless we are talking Backup Plan Z.

As a backup for the veteran minimmum sure but he has been bad at both LT and LG.

but he should be starting at LG over Pugh. Glowinski was awful prior to being benched but since then he has been the best guard on the roster when given playing time.

I don't even want him as a backup after this year and Glowinski should be starting right now IMO. Stop trying to resurrect bad players. Phillips, Lemieux, Peart, and Harlow should also be gone after this year. Maybe Bredeson as well. The Giants should also strongly consider moving Neal to guard.

Should look to get RT/RG that can play both and Neal has another year to solidify RT.
JE has chance to win LG but can be swing to LT if Thomas gets injured.
OG should be a day 2 pick.

plus his SSI should be a good deal for him……

In comment 16309631 thrunthrublue said:

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plus his SSI should be a good deal for him……

LOL

It's bad enough he is starting now, for perhaps the worst OL in the league. I would be reluctant to even re-sign him as a backup.

If he wants a vet minimum or affordable deal, he'll for sure be on the roster. He would actually be an insanely good backup utility lineman on the roster.

But hopefully he's learned his lesson since the last time he left and will take a deal that isn't egregious.

I think he knows that his time in the NFL is about done. Now whether he wants to be a backup, I'm not sure of.

But STARTING? My god he's been dreadful since the Bills game, and even that game for him was alright at best.

In comment 16309486 Biteymax22 said:

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So I'm lumping Bredeson into this, are guys you should be happy with as back ups, but neither are guys I want as permanent starters. It still seems like we're going to be tied to Neal next year, so as far as I'm concerned we should go into the offseason looking for 2 starting guards and a strong swing tackle that can step in if Neal doesn't develop further.

They have to really considered moving Neal to G. There will be some really nice OTs available especially if somene gambles on a QB in the top 4 and three QBs are chosen before us. It maybe easier to get a new RT and 1 OG in the draft vs 2 OGs, high level players. Unless we somehow land Robert Hunt from Miami.

In comment 16309483 Heisenberg said:

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Oof. He's a vet who doesn't make too many mistakes but he gets beat physically out there a lot IMO. Need someone better at both guard positions and RT. Only C and LT are set.

Facts, he physically can not hold anymore. He gets pushed straight back a lot!!!!

back on a vet min contract after the draft if we get a guy and don't want to hand him a starting spot

Glowinski is gone but I would prioritize signing Bredeson before Pugh because he can be the back up C.

I would also sign a Vet Tackle to push Neal before spending on the other guard spot.

In comment 16309685 MotownGIANTS said:

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In comment 16309486 Biteymax22 said: Quote: So I'm lumping Bredeson into this, are guys you should be happy with as back ups, but neither are guys I want as permanent starters. It still seems like we're going to be tied to Neal next year, so as far as I'm concerned we should go into the offseason looking for 2 starting guards and a strong swing tackle that can step in if Neal doesn't develop further. They have to really considered moving Neal to G. There will be some really nice OTs available especially if somene gambles on a QB in the top 4 and three QBs are chosen before us. It maybe easier to get a new RT and 1 OG in the draft vs 2 OGs, high level players. Unless we somehow land Robert Hunt from Miami.

I tend to agree about at least trying Neal at guard, however this seems like its off the table after Schoen's presser.

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But the OL play has improved since he took over at LG.

In comment 16309415 varco said:

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If he's starting next year, it will signal that we are still in bad shape on the OL and have not addressed this glaring weakness. He may be fine as a swing man, but starting? No. Watching the Dallas defense last night, we have a long way to go on the OL and starting Pugh would not be a sign of progress.

Yes. A relatively cheap veteran backup who can play 4 OL positions is a good guy to have.

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just too far gone to be worth reupholstering.

and his play now has been terrible. As always he loves to talk. And it's always about continuity. Meanwhile he cannot block the man in front of him.

In comment 16309716 Biteymax22 said:

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In comment 16309685 MotownGIANTS said: Quote: In comment 16309486 Biteymax22 said: Quote: So I'm lumping Bredeson into this, are guys you should be happy with as back ups, but neither are guys I want as permanent starters. It still seems like we're going to be tied to Neal next year, so as far as I'm concerned we should go into the offseason looking for 2 starting guards and a strong swing tackle that can step in if Neal doesn't develop further. They have to really considered moving Neal to G. There will be some really nice OTs available especially if somene gambles on a QB in the top 4 and three QBs are chosen before us. It maybe easier to get a new RT and 1 OG in the draft vs 2 OGs, high level players. Unless we somehow land Robert Hunt from Miami. I tend to agree about at least trying Neal at guard, however this seems like its off the table after Schoen's presser.

I really hope that is smokescreen talk, it is similar to not fielding calls for the Barkley pick. Let's see how FA turns out.

You should watch some of the games, or at least read Sy's summaries. Justin Pugh is playing out of desperation, not design. He is horrible.