Interested to hear you guys thoughts on him as a prospect. Only game I've seen of him this season was against Washington, thought he looked good but I am no scout or QB guru.
I didn't realize his arm strength until a co-worker of mine sent me this highlight reel. With the Giants most likely not picking in the top 3 come April, would Nix be a good option later in round 1/early round 2?
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I am assuming you aren't jumping on the Jayden Daniels that has recently picked up steam.
I also didn't realize Nix will be 24 in February.
I agree, Nix is not someone I want to invest an early pick on. He will be 24 years old before training camp so he has little upside.
But I wouldn't draft him in Rd 1, and probably have no less than 5-6 guys I would take over him if I was hard up for a QB next draft.
The QBs really make or break the teams in the NFL. Would be good to be able to get them in with teams or 3rd party evaluators and not the just the combine or interviews. I guess the closest thing is the Senior Bowl.
Its never a sure thing, but there just so many misses on these Rd1 QBs let alone the other rounds.
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Good college QB, not sure he's NFL starter worthy. My stance is still Williams/Maye at the top or punt on QB
I am assuming you aren't jumping on the Jayden Daniels that has recently picked up steam.
I also didn't realize Nix will be 24 in February.
The betting line on daniels as the top pick in the draft was 75-1 as of three weeks ago. It is now 15-1….and this is before the draft process is even close to starting.
He sees Nix as a day 2 pick, at best and isn't big on Michael Penix either.
He's bigger on McCarthy and Ewers if they declare.
He sees Nix as a day 2 pick, at best and isn't big on Michael Penix either.
He's bigger on McCarthy and Ewers if they declare.
I've long felt Ewers is a dark horse. 2 years in a Sarkisian pro-style offense. Arm talent. Needs to clean up consistency and decision making a bit, but there's some things there that I like.
Mike: It is a highly relevant point and no doubt giving pro scouts fits. It is ironic though that Daniels who everyone here loves followed almost the same pattern but in reverse. He had a good freshman year in the defenceless PAC-12; got hurt his second and had a very pedestrian third year at Arizona State before transferring to LSU where he had a decent year last year and is lights out this year. For his part, Joe Burrow couldn't beat out future NFL non-stars JT Barrett or Dwayne Haskins before transferring to LSU.
In the end teams really don't judge players based on how they played in college. They judge them based on their physical abilities and how they think those abilities will translate to the NFL.
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Bo Nix, QB, Oregon
The New York Giants might feel like the New York Jets did when the latter lost out on Trevor Lawrence and opted to settle on Zach Wilson, but the Giants would be making out much better than their rival. Bo Nix has been terrific the last two seasons, boasting efficiency numbers that are almost hard to believe.
He’ll get ridiculed for checking down more than hunting big plays, but that inner playmaker who can create on his own is still in there. Don’t be surprised if Nix plays better in the NFL than in college, just like his predecessor Justin Herbert has.
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Struggled against NFL caliber defenses in SEC and now feasting as the most experienced player against weaker defenses and an offense that relies on yards after the catch following high percentage passes. I will say that his ball placement does give his receivers the ability to make plays, but I think he is a system QB a la Case Keenum more than a long term starter.
Mike: It is a highly relevant point and no doubt giving pro scouts fits. It is ironic though that Daniels who everyone here loves followed almost the same pattern but in reverse. He had a good freshman year in the defenceless PAC-12; got hurt his second and had a very pedestrian third year at Arizona State before transferring to LSU where he had a decent year last year and is lights out this year. For his part, Joe Burrow couldn't beat out future NFL non-stars JT Barrett or Dwayne Haskins before transferring to LSU.
In the end teams really don't judge players based on how they played in college. They judge them based on their physical abilities and how they think those abilities will translate to the NFL.
The difference is Daniels this year you can see making big plays with his arm and succeeding. Nix I don't see being that effective except when he is just checking down. He has great efficiency within a system, but I am not sure that that system converts to the NFL.
His style of play and "negatives" won't translate too well in the NFL i don't think. People can say that's ridiculous, I get it, I just don't think he's a 1st round pick right now.
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Struggled against NFL caliber defenses in SEC and now feasting as the most experienced player against weaker defenses and an offense that relies on yards after the catch following high percentage passes. I will say that his ball placement does give his receivers the ability to make plays, but I think he is a system QB a la Case Keenum more than a long term starter.
Mike: It is a highly relevant point and no doubt giving pro scouts fits. It is ironic though that Daniels who everyone here loves followed almost the same pattern but in reverse. He had a good freshman year in the defenceless PAC-12; got hurt his second and had a very pedestrian third year at Arizona State before transferring to LSU where he had a decent year last year and is lights out this year. For his part, Joe Burrow couldn't beat out future NFL non-stars JT Barrett or Dwayne Haskins before transferring to LSU.
In the end teams really don't judge players based on how they played in college. They judge them based on their physical abilities and how they think those abilities will translate to the NFL.
The difference is Daniels this year you can see making big plays with his arm and succeeding. Nix I don't see being that effective except when he is just checking down. He has great efficiency within a system, but I am not sure that that system converts to the NFL.
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Nix will be one of the most debated prospects in the class
Without showing my cards - and I still have some to do on him, here are 3 negatives and 3 positives that will determine everything
NEG
1) He almost never experiences repeated pressure in the pocket. He has been sacked 12 times since start of 2022. That will not happen in the league - and if he is drafted by the wrong team with a poor OL - who knows how he will respond. We have seen him against pressure at Auburn - it was ugly.
2) Defenses in the Pac 12 are just as bad as what we see in the Big 12. If anything - they are worse. Not as fast, not as big. Oregon's skill position guys are almost always head and shoulders above opponents. That will not be the case in the NFL.
3) The bad decision making we saw at Auburn still shows up at Oregon. Throws across field into traffic. Too many unnecessary risks.
POS
1) Ton of experience and he has changed how he plays (for the most part). Trusts system over his talent - which is a big deal. He can be coached - that matters.
2) Loves the game. Knows it well (son of a coach). Gets on his receivers when they make mistakes but he is loved by everyone in that program. A true leader that knows what it takes off the field to be a pro QB.
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
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The negatives noted are either outside his control or are coachable. The positives noted focus more on leadership and coachability, but it is notable he is an underrated athlete, superior runner to Jones.
If you think he has the arm talent, throws with anticipation, then there is a lot to like. Will be watching tonight, big game against a good team. I think he has the stones to respond well to pressure; not inconsequential in this market if he found himself wearing the blue.
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Struggled against NFL caliber defenses in SEC and now feasting as the most experienced player against weaker defenses and an offense that relies on yards after the catch following high percentage passes. I will say that his ball placement does give his receivers the ability to make plays, but I think he is a system QB a la Case Keenum more than a long term starter.
Mike: It is a highly relevant point and no doubt giving pro scouts fits. It is ironic though that Daniels who everyone here loves followed almost the same pattern but in reverse. He had a good freshman year in the defenceless PAC-12; got hurt his second and had a very pedestrian third year at Arizona State before transferring to LSU where he had a decent year last year and is lights out this year. For his part, Joe Burrow couldn't beat out future NFL non-stars JT Barrett or Dwayne Haskins before transferring to LSU.
In the end teams really don't judge players based on how they played in college. They judge them based on their physical abilities and how they think those abilities will translate to the NFL.
The difference is Daniels this year you can see making big plays with his arm and succeeding. Nix I don't see being that effective except when he is just checking down. He has great efficiency within a system, but I am not sure that that system converts to the NFL.
The gripe about Daniels is that he is one read and then takes off. Have to say that in the couple of games I have watched him, that view may be correct. Impressive athlete though.
What funny about the topic, is that Daniels struggled at Arizona State his first few years, against these supposed horrible PAC 12 defenses. Nix also struggled his first few years. Maybe both QB's just needed time to develop?
He reminds me of Phillip Rivers, think about it. I would be totally happy taking him with our second, second round pick.
I think there are a ton of guys with the physical attributes to succeed in the NFL. I trust Daboll to develop the offense and the QB to match skill to scheme.
What is unteachable is football IQ. I want a QB who understands the game instinctually inside and out. If the scouting on a guy says he understands and he is coachable, that is a huge step in right direction.
Nix is not my top pick, but if the Giants take him in the first I am not going to be upset.
I think those of us who view Nix as a day two pick - or even an early day three pick - aren't underrating him.
I would characterize it as trying to place his draft value based on what he brings to the table as an NFL prospect.
Nix is a great college QB right now who has maximized his eligibility, and the light has gone on the last two years.
But he has no plus or plus-plus physical traits. And who the hell knows if his accuracy and reading of college defenses are going to translate to the NFL. Nobody can predict that. It's impossible.
It is a crap shoot with any of these quarterbacks. To me they all have warts.
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don't want to take him in the top 10, but do think he's underrated by many here.
I think those of us who view Nix as a day two pick - or even an early day three pick - aren't underrating him.
I would characterize it as trying to place his draft value based on what he brings to the table as an NFL prospect.
Nix is a great college QB right now who has maximized his eligibility, and the light has gone on the last two years.
But he has no plus or plus-plus physical traits. And who the hell knows if his accuracy and reading of college defenses are going to translate to the NFL. Nobody can predict that. It's impossible.
Plus physical traits per Sy’56:
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
He may not be Daniels, but he’s got legit wheels.
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Good college QB, not sure he's NFL starter worthy. My stance is still Williams/Maye at the top or punt on QB
I agree, Nix is not someone I want to invest an early pick on. He will be 24 years old before training camp so he has little upside.
That might be the dumbest fucking thing anyone has ever said on this board.
And thats saying something!!
Is he one of the greatest QBs of all time or is he Derek Carr? That is your question?
Plus physical traits per Sy’56:
3) Underrated athlete. NYG fans - he is a better runner than Jones. Similar long speed but even better agility / quickness. He will create a ton with his legs.
He may not be Daniels, but he’s got legit wheels.
I agree that Nix is a good athlete and has better wiggle than Jones. For me, this means he checks the box for escapability.
But I don't think he's running with effectives like Williams or Daniels. So, I don't see defenses having to account for that part of his game like they would for CW and JD.
I'm intrigued by him. I think he fits the modern NFL well. As mentioned in other threads, there is a new test called the S3 which focuses on brain processing speed compared to the Wonderlic. Brock Purdy supposedly scored at an elite level. I'm very interested to see how the QB's do and if that information will be readily available.
Anyway I've seen Nix hasn't statistically pushed the ball downfield all that much but from what I've watched he's had some real nice deep throws.
I'd prefer tier 1 (Williams, Maye and Daniels) but I ultimately get Daboll someone he is excited to work with.
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always looked good. My question is, is he more of a Drew Brees(who can use his legs), or is he more Derek Carr.
Is he one of the greatest QBs of all time or is he Derek Carr? That is your question?
How well do you know Drew Brees' history? He struggled for a while as Purdue's starting QB, until his final year, he lit it up. That's the comparison, I'n not saying he's going to be Drew Brees.
How well do you know Drew Brees' history? He struggled for a while as Purdue's starting QB, until his final year, he lit it up. That's the comparison, I'n not saying he's going to be Drew Brees.
Brees lit it up his sophomore year. In fact, it was his best year at Purdue.
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How well do you know Drew Brees' history? He struggled for a while as Purdue's starting QB, until his final year, he lit it up. That's the comparison, I'n not saying he's going to be Drew Brees.
Brees lit it up his sophomore year. In fact, it was his best year at Purdue.
You are right, that's not how I remembered it for whatever reason. That is my bad.