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Sky King : 12/2/2023 7:37 pm
I say(if Michigan and FSU win):

Michigan
Washington
Texas
FSU

If FSU loses, sub in Bama.

Michigan will not lose.
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I shouldn’t be surprised  
RCPhoenix : 12/3/2023 12:29 pm : link
SEC>ACC.
RE: I shouldn’t be surprised  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:30 pm : link
In comment 16311705 RCPhoenix said:
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SEC>ACC.


ACC has a winning record against the SEC this year
The commitee got it right  
AROCK1000 : 12/3/2023 12:30 pm : link
IMHO
RE: I shouldn’t be surprised  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16311705 RCPhoenix said:
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SEC>ACC.


That does not matter. What matters is the teams. When Clemson was beating everyone up, SEC was still better overall than the ACC. But Clemson was the best team.
Those are the 4 best teams  
PatersonPlank : 12/3/2023 12:31 pm : link
Committee got it right
RE: RE: I shouldn’t be surprised  
RCPhoenix : 12/3/2023 12:31 pm : link
In comment 16311709 markky said:
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SEC>ACC.



ACC has a winning record against the SEC this year


I know - but that doesn’t seem to matter to the committee
A truly scumbag  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:31 pm : link
maneuver.
Why  
Ron Johnson : 12/3/2023 12:31 pm : link
Did Florida State bother playing yesterday?

Georgia losing was bad for UW  
shyster : 12/3/2023 12:32 pm : link
Would have had home crowd advantage in familiar surroundings in Rose Bowl vs Michigan and its suspect offense.

Now they have to play against hot team Texas in its backyard in a dome where crowd noise will play large factor.

UW-Michigan in Rose also would have been nice send-off for the Pac 12.
FSU had to show something at back up QB  
bigbluewillrise : 12/3/2023 12:34 pm : link
they had to.

they did not.

if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.

.  
jomps : 12/3/2023 12:34 pm : link
Who made it?
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bigbluewillrise : 12/3/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16311721 jomps said:
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Who made it?

alabama texas
RE: FSU had to show something at back up QB  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:35 pm : link
In comment 16311720 bigbluewillrise said:
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they had to.

they did not.

if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.


They won with the third string freshman QB who had 5 practices. They beat the #14 team in the country. It was ugly but they won.

maybe Alabama is better but let FSU prove it on the field  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:36 pm : link
plus, defense counts too. FSU stacks up with anyone on defense.

RE: RE: FSU had to show something at back up QB  
bigbluewillrise : 12/3/2023 12:36 pm : link
In comment 16311724 section125 said:
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they had to.

they did not.

if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.




They won with the third string freshman QB who had 5 practices. They beat the #14 team in the country. It was ugly but they won.


they won and he threw for 50 yards.
RE: FSU had to show something at back up QB  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16311720 bigbluewillrise said:
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they had to.

they did not.

if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.


With the way the other games worked out, I don’t think there was any scenario in which something that happened in the ACC championship game would’ve changed this outcome.
RE: RE: FSU had to show something at back up QB  
bigbluewillrise : 12/3/2023 12:37 pm : link
In comment 16311728 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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they had to.

they did not.

if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.




With the way the other games worked out, I don’t think there was any scenario in which something that happened in the ACC championship game would’ve changed this outcome.


i disagree.
so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:38 pm : link
matter. WTF.
RE: RE: RE: FSU had to show something at back up QB  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:39 pm : link
In comment 16311726 bigbluewillrise said:
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In comment 16311720 bigbluewillrise said:


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they had to.

they did not.

if they showed they had something on offense theyd be in ala a cardale jones situation.




They won with the third string freshman QB who had 5 practices. They beat the #14 team in the country. It was ugly but they won.




they won and he threw for 50 yards.


What part of freshman QB with 5 practices can you not comprehend.
Total scumbag maneuver no matter how it is packaged.
At least the committee  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 12:39 pm : link
Admits they have no credibility going forward
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2023 12:40 pm : link
Said it earlier: the committee would run over their grandmother to get 'Bama in.
RE: ...  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:40 pm : link
In comment 16311734 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Said it earlier: the committee would run over their grandmother to get 'Bama in.


you were right
RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 12:41 pm : link
In comment 16311731 markky said:
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matter. WTF.


Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.
The way this played out, even if Georgia won  
BH28 : 12/3/2023 12:43 pm : link
It seems like Texas would have jumped FSU for the final spot in that scenario too.
RE: ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 12:43 pm : link
In comment 16311734 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Said it earlier: the committee would run over their grandmother to get 'Bama in.



That has nothing to do with this decision.

If Jordan Travis is healthy and Bama was chosen over Texas, then you could argue this point.
As an FSU fan - I’m sick  
Vin R : 12/3/2023 12:44 pm : link
No CFP because of our QB situation.. but let’s forget how dominant this defense has been
Committee got it right...  
bw in dc : 12/3/2023 12:44 pm : link
but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.

I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.

Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...
RE: The way this played out, even if Georgia won  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16311741 BH28 said:
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It seems like Texas would have jumped FSU for the final spot in that scenario too.


Exactly.
RE: RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16311736 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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matter. WTF.



Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.


That is part of it, and the defense wasn't?
RE: At least the committee  
GaryR : 12/3/2023 12:44 pm : link
In comment 16311733 ajr2456 said:
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Admits they have no credibility going forward


It gets easier for the committee next year with 12 teams. Fans will be arguing about # 13, 14 and 15.
RE: RE: ...  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:45 pm : link
In comment 16311743 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Said it earlier: the committee would run over their grandmother to get 'Bama in.




That has nothing to do with this decision.

If Jordan Travis is healthy and Bama was chosen over Texas, then you could argue this point.


they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.

i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.
shockeyisthebest.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2023 12:46 pm : link
If it had come down to Texas vs. Bama, I still think the Tide gets in regardless of their head to head matchup in September in Tuscaloosa.

The committee loves-LOVES-'Bama. That is obvious AF to me & has been for awhile.
RE: Committee got it right...  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:47 pm : link
In comment 16311745 bw in dc said:
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.

I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.

Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...


Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.

FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.
RE: RE: Committee got it right...  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:49 pm : link
In comment 16311759 section125 said:
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.

I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.

Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...



Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.

FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.


exactly. and I am not an FSU fan. but to screw the kids like this is bullshit.
RE: RE: Committee got it right...  
bw in dc : 12/3/2023 12:52 pm : link
In comment 16311759 section125 said:
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.

I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.

Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...



Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.

FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.


I get it. It's a very tough pill to swallow if you are an FSU supporter.
I didn't see anyway they were  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/3/2023 12:52 pm : link
leaving Bama out if they beat Georgia and they did.

What a great season FSU had and I hope the school and the community do something really nice for them.

Some teams have gotten in who probably shouldn't have and vice versa. Very unfortunate for FSU and I certainly understand and respect those who felt they got screwed.

I still hope they get to 16 with every conference champion in one day.

Going to 12 teams is irrelevant  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 12:53 pm : link
The sport lost all credibility
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/3/2023 12:54 pm : link
Feel bad for the Noles, as much as I can for FSU considering I'm still not over '93 when FSU won the national championship despite losing to ND. Not that I'm still bitter or anything...Haha.
Two final points  
ajr2456 : 12/3/2023 12:55 pm : link
If Travis is that important, than give him the heisman.

If FSU isn’t one of the top 4 teams how are they ahead of Georgia
RE: RE: RE: Committee got it right...  
section125 : 12/3/2023 12:56 pm : link
In comment 16311768 bw in dc said:
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but this is just a terrible situation for FSU.

I wish the expansion was this year instead of next.

Didn't the ACC vote not to have he expansion this year? JFC, that would be ironic...



Total scumbag maneuver. They just shit on kids that played their ass off. They took the #4 team, that won their conference title and took teams rated behind them before the weekend and jumped two teams over them.

FSU shold tell the NCAA and their 40 bowls to go fuck themselves.



I get it. It's a very tough pill to swallow if you are an FSU supporter.


Scumbag decision.
RE: RE: RE: ...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 12:57 pm : link
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they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.

i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.


Your NFL point is silly. There’s no subjectivity to the NFL playoff process. That’s how teams with losing records make the postseason while teams with ten wins sit at home. Unfortunately, that’s not the process here and while it will be easier going forward, subjectivity will still play a role in the college playoffs.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that FSU couldn’t win a game with backup QBs. I think in this process that it’s very easy to argue that FSU isn’t one of the 4 best teams without Jordan Travis. That may not even be true, but it’s an argument that can be made. And with very tough choices, that was the easiest way to make the decision.
RE: Two final points  
markky : 12/3/2023 12:57 pm : link
In comment 16311780 ajr2456 said:
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If FSU isn’t one of the top 4 teams how are they ahead of Georgia


excellent point
RE: RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't  
Eman11 : 12/3/2023 12:59 pm : link
In comment 16311736 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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matter. WTF.



Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.


Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.

I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.

It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.
RE: Two final points  
bw in dc : 12/3/2023 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16311780 ajr2456 said:
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If Travis is that important, than give him the heisman.

If FSU isn’t one of the top 4 teams how are they ahead of Georgia


I can buy that point re: Travis. He's been on my list since the end of the first month of games.
RE: RE: RE: RE: ...  
markky : 12/3/2023 1:01 pm : link
In comment 16311784 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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they're getting their 2nd string QB back before the playoffs. So we're just saying he can't drive the offense with a few weeks of practicing witht he first team. this is weak.

i guess this opens the door to the NFL bouncing teams from the playoffs if their QB gets hurt in the first round and replacing them with a team with a healthy QB.



Your NFL point is silly. There’s no subjectivity to the NFL playoff process. That’s how teams with losing records make the postseason while teams with ten wins sit at home. Unfortunately, that’s not the process here and while it will be easier going forward, subjectivity will still play a role in the college playoffs.

I don’t think anyone is arguing that FSU couldn’t win a game with backup QBs. I think in this process that it’s very easy to argue that FSU isn’t one of the 4 best teams without Jordan Travis. That may not even be true, but it’s an argument that can be made. And with very tough choices, that was the easiest way to make the decision.


i was being facetious. but what I really think is that yes, you can argue that FSU isn't the same team and not a top 4 team. but you can also argue that their defense alone makes them a top 4 team. they haven't lost a game yet, even after adversity. it's not fair to bounce them because you believe they won't rise to the challenge. let them rise or not rise. you're replacing them with a team that has already lost. and barely, barely got past auburn just 8 days ago.
if the committee is putting Bama ahead of FSU they should also  
markky : 12/3/2023 1:03 pm : link
put Georgia ahead of FSU. they just showed they're full of shit.
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shyster : 12/3/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16311746 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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It seems like Texas would have jumped FSU for the final spot in that scenario too.



Exactly.


Not at all, at least not necessarily.

Alabama winning gave Texas a big boost because now they've beaten the SEC champs and how do you leave them out and put Bama in.

Would have been much easier for Committee to go with undefeated FSU if Bama had gone down to UGA.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 12/3/2023 1:06 pm : link
In comment 16311794 markky said:
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i was being facetious. but what I really think is that yes, you can argue that FSU isn't the same team and not a top 4 team. but you can also argue that their defense alone makes them a top 4 team. they haven't lost a game yet, even after adversity. it's not fair to bounce them because you believe they won't rise to the challenge. let them rise or not rise. you're replacing them with a team that has already lost. and barely, barely got past auburn just 8 days ago.


As I mentioned earlier, you can do the “almost lost to a bad team” argument with everyone except for Michigan and Texas. The difference is everyone watched the Iron Bowl and no one remembers Washington-Arizona State or FSU-Boston College.

Losing a Heisman Trophy finalist QB was the key factor and I don’t think that any result against Louisville was going to move the needle enough to keep FSU over those other 4 teams. It’s unfortunate, but that’s life.
RE: RE: RE: so FSU could have the defense of the 1985 Bears and it wouldn't  
section125 : 12/3/2023 1:09 pm : link
In comment 16311791 Eman11 said:
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matter. WTF.



Jordan Travis was a major part of why they were one of the best teams in the country.



Yup and sounds like him being out is a major reason why they got bounced. They must think even with a practicing #2 they still aren’t near a top 4 level.

I think it simply comes down to that as much as it sucks for them to be out.

It would’ve been really interesting if he wasn’t hurt and they couldn’t be kept out. Then it would’ve come down to Bama/UT for the final spot and I think the committee is relieved not to have to make that choice. Much easier to cite Travis’s injury, bounce them and get the other two in.


If Travis isn't hurt FSU is #2 behind Michigan. Remember the polls jumped Washington over FSU after Travis got hurt.
I have no skin in the game for FSU  
M.S. : 12/3/2023 1:18 pm : link
But I really feel badly for them. Definitely hope the school /town does something very special for them.

As for Alabama, I am a big fan, but I also know that if they don’t complete that last gasp TD pass last week, they are on the outside looking in, regardless of Georgia game.

And so it goes.

Here’s to an expanded play-off system where the teams fighting for the 11th and 12th seeds won’t mean Jack.
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