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NFT: Mets Thread - Happy Winter Meetings To All!!!

Shecky : 12/4/2023 10:28 am
- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.

Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.

Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.

Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:

Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.

Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.

Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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yeah honestly the CBT calculation is pretty stupid (imo)  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 11:27 am : link
and obviously it's new to us as met fans since wilpons hadnt come close in over a decade pre-cohen.

the net/net on it is that resetting is a nice benefit if you can take it but as long as you stay out of the cohen tax it's also not that penalizing. so it is not worth wasting a season to do it. only if it makes sense with the cycle of your roster. or if mandated by owner's finances.
RE: maybe it was a typo but mets arent 6m over they are about $50m over  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 11:29 am : link
In comment 16345164 Eric on Li said:
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spotrac has their cbt tax at 283m
cots has it at 296m
(most of that difference is in how much they have mets paying tex/hou for jv/ms and i think the spotrac # is more accurate to the reporting there)

that retained $ is a big chunk of the payroll - scherzer and jv (about 21m each) and mcann (9.5m).

the $230-240m or so on the field is mostly invested in:

Lindor (34m) x 8
Alonso (21m arb est.) x 1
Nimmo (20m) x 7
Marte (20m) x 2
Senga (15m) x 2
Diaz (19m) x 4
Mcneil (10m) x 3

severino and quintana are 13m each x 1 year.
narvaez and raley are 7m each x 1 year.

that's $177m of the $200m total baseball salary on their payroll in 11 players with 20m more beyond that in arbitration estimates for the other half of the active roster.

active roster $200m-$210m,
+50m in retained $,
+20-30m in benefits, minimum salaries and minor league salaries
= total cbt payroll around $280m

carry that all through to next year and they start more than $100m lower losing the retained $50m and Alonso/Severino/Quintana/Narvaez/Raley expiring.


Fangraphs has them at estimated $297,530,000 for their luxury tax payroll in 2024, 156.9 for 2025 FWIW
SNY  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 11:31 am : link
also has the Blue Jays interested in Turner and JDM. Feels like both will be out of the Mets price range at this point.
Mayer  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 11:46 am : link
says they are interested in Manaea and Ryu (we've heard this from others as well) Passan says Imanaga will clear 100 million
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 11:49 am : link
In comment 16344149 DanMetroMan said:
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My personal top 5 wish list (SP FA edition)
1. Imanaga
2. Rodriguez
3. Manaea
4. Paxton
5.Junis
Ideal world @mets add 2 of these guys. Doesn't appear they are "in" on Rodriguez and Junis would be a speculative "shot to start headed into ST out of ST, or move to BP" #Mets



Manaea and Junis. Thanks.
Passan  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 12:02 pm : link
One team opposing organizations expect to sign at least one top-end Boras client: the San Francisco Giants, who pursued Ohtani and Yamamoto, only to see the Los Angeles Dodgers guarantee the pair more than $1 billion. San Francisco needs talent badly, even after the addition of free agent Jung Hoo Lee on a $113 million deal. Whether it's Chapman (San Francisco could slot him at third base and use J.D. Davis at DH), Snell (who would look mighty good in a rotation with Logan Webb, Alex Cobb, Ross Stripling and rookie Kyle Harrison) or both, the Giants have the money and incentive to make a splash.
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DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 12:07 pm : link
Nothing particularly notable in @JeffPassan's latest Mets-wise.
- @mets and PHI are 2 teams that *could* pivot toward Montgomery/Snell if the market makes sense (I don't personally see it)
-1 12 teams he mentions looking for OF/DH help
-*Could* be involved with Imanaga #Mets
Eric's  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 12:14 pm : link
guy Mike Marino doesn't see them going hard for Imanaga
If I am the Mets  
pjcas18 : 1/3/2024 12:21 pm : link
at this point I'd be looking at players like Aroldis Chapman on a one-year deal without a NTC, knowing the intent is to have him harness his stuff, pitch well and flip him at the deadline.

middle relievers who can close are one of the deadline's most valuable commodities.

if he's healthy I can't see it having much risk, but may require an overpay otherwise why would he come to Queens - not much chance to win or to close, but he could be practically guaranteed appearances.
Damn  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 12:42 pm : link
was on my wishlist once he was DFA'ed

Robert Murray
@ByRobertMurray
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The Milwaukee Brewers are acquiring left-hander Bryan Hudson in a trade with the Los Angeles Dodgers, according to sources familiar with the deal.
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DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 12:51 pm : link
Jon Anderson
@JonPgh
Rookie SP Sleepers to Watch

Query:
✅100+ IP between A+ and AAA in 2023
✅ K-BB% above 20%

1. Drew Thorpe SDP (140 IP, 26.9% K-BB%)
2. Isaac Coffey BOS (118 IP, 24.8% K-BB%)
3. Chase Hampton NYY (107 IP, 24.7% K-BB%)
4. Tobias Myers MIL (141 IP, 21.6% K-BB%)
5. Dominic Hamel NYM(124 IP, 21.1% K-BB%)
RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 1:00 pm : link
In comment 16345359 DanMetroMan said:
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Jon Anderson
@JonPgh
Rookie SP Sleepers to Watch

Query:
✅100+ IP between A+ and AAA in 2023
✅ K-BB% above 20%

1. Drew Thorpe SDP (140 IP, 26.9% K-BB%)
2. Isaac Coffey BOS (118 IP, 24.8% K-BB%)
3. Chase Hampton NYY (107 IP, 24.7% K-BB%)
4. Tobias Myers MIL (141 IP, 21.6% K-BB%)
5. Dominic Hamel NYM(124 IP, 21.1% K-BB%)



Finished the year VERY strong. Final 12 starts 58.2 innings 46 hits 25 walks (admittedly still too high) 80 k's 2.63 era
RE: Eric's  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 1:10 pm : link
In comment 16345304 DanMetroMan said:
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guy Mike Marino doesn't see them going hard for Imanaga


not quite my guy but to be fair nobody has seen them doing anything they've done so far. there were some mentions they liked severino in the weeks before he was signed but when they signed him even martino said he was surprised. maybe missed it but i hadnt seen any beats connect them with houser.

martino mentioned imanaga yesterday and described it as "possible but wouldnt call it probable" and i think that framing probably works for almost every free agent we've heard them connected to. i think this stage at FA is waiting out value. for the players left if there were team aggressively after them they would have been signed already (with the possible exception of imanaga since he's in posting process).
RE: Damn  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 1:20 pm : link
In comment 16345348 DanMetroMan said:
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was on my wishlist once he was DFA'ed

Robert Murray
@ByRobertMurray
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The Milwaukee Brewers are acquiring left-hander Bryan Hudson in a trade with the Los Angeles Dodgers, according to sources familiar with the deal.



LAD lands a HS arm that signed for WAY over slot (547,000) + a PTNL, so one can conclude the interest in Hudson was significant
RE: RE: Damn  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 1:23 pm : link
In comment 16345402 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16345348 DanMetroMan said:


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was on my wishlist once he was DFA'ed

Robert Murray
@ByRobertMurray
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The Milwaukee Brewers are acquiring left-hander Bryan Hudson in a trade with the Los Angeles Dodgers, according to sources familiar with the deal.




LAD lands a HS arm that signed for WAY over slot (547,000) + a PTNL, so one can conclude the interest in Hudson was significant


Martino mentioned yesterday Stearns was very active on P trade market ("guys like houser"). not sure this would have qualified.
Hudson  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 1:27 pm : link
is 100% a RPer, apples to oranges with a "Houser type". LAD received a very decent return for somebody they DFA'ed, interest must have been very heavy for them to get such a nice return. No clue if the Mets were involved but giving up a similar prospect probably wasn't in the cards for the Mets at this juncture.
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 1:34 pm : link
In comment 16345028 DanMetroMan said:
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I assume because they needed swelling to go down? But per @WillSammon Ronny Mauricio has yet to undergo surgery to repair his ACL but that sounds imminent.



Hector Gomez says he had the surgery yesterday. Gomez has had incorrect Mauricio information in the past (twice reporting he was promoted when he wasn’t) so grain of salt but it fits the timeline Sammon noted “shortly after new years”


Healey confirming. Sounds unlikely we see Mauricio in 2024. They are giving an 8-12 month timeline.
RE: Hudson  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 1:36 pm : link
In comment 16345412 DanMetroMan said:
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is 100% a RPer, apples to oranges with a "Houser type". LAD received a very decent return for somebody they DFA'ed, interest must have been very heavy for them to get such a nice return. No clue if the Mets were involved but giving up a similar prospect probably wasn't in the cards for the Mets at this juncture.




David Gasper
@dgasper24
I know I'm a prospect hugger, but...

Shipping out Chambers, who signed the largest bonus of any of the Day 3 picks last year, for a guy who was DFAed, plus potentially another PTBNL, feels like an overpay

I like Hudson, he can be a good 'pen addition, but the value feels off
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 2:02 pm : link
were being connected to him for a while.

Keegan Matheson
@KeeganMatheson
Kevin Kiermaier tells us that he didn't receive interest from as many teams as he and his agents expected in free agency, with some teams viewing him in a part-time role.

"All I need is one team interested, and I am so thankful and grateful the #BlueJays were that team."
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 2:57 pm : link
rotation ranked #23 by Fangraphs
RE: Mets  
pjcas18 : 1/3/2024 3:00 pm : link
In comment 16345526 DanMetroMan said:
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rotation ranked #23 by Fangraphs


at the MLB level? that is a little ambitious IMO.

today, who is it?
Senga, Quintana, Severino, Houser, Megill/Butto?



RE: RE: Mets  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 3:04 pm : link
In comment 16345532 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 16345526 DanMetroMan said:


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rotation ranked #23 by Fangraphs



at the MLB level? that is a little ambitious IMO.

today, who is it?
Senga, Quintana, Severino, Houser, Megill/Butto?




Yup. That's their current rotation on paper
RE: Mets  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 3:12 pm : link
In comment 16345526 DanMetroMan said:
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rotation ranked #23 by Fangraphs


this is a handy resource for all the positions - they have braves as best team in MLB by last year's fwar with 54, only them LAD over 50. 8 teams 40+ (counting BAL at 39.9). Mets at 38 so if they sign 1 of the 3 SP projected over 3 wins they are basically tied with PHI. still 100 fwar available in FA.
https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Team - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 3:21 pm : link
TJ round up- Ross/Dominguez (3/2022), Allan (1/2023), BMDO (3/2023), Gomez (4/2023), Diaz (3/2023), Valle (8/2023), Beck (8/2023) (this may not be a complete list as some P missed some/all of 2023 without an injury being identified publicly)
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 3:22 pm : link
I predict @mets
sign Michael A. Taylor (yes, despite Tyrone Taylor) and Gio Urshela and really lean into a "much improved" defensive team vs. adding a "big" bat
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 3:55 pm : link
In comment 16345553 DanMetroMan said:
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I predict @mets
sign Michael A. Taylor (yes, despite Tyrone Taylor) and Gio Urshela and really lean into a "much improved" defensive team vs. adding a "big" bat


i can 100% see taylor. they are down 1 starting OF right now even before the unknown of marte. taylor and stewart can maybe be an ok marte backup plan, but they still need a starter.

nimmo in LF + taylor in CF improve the defense immeasurably. if Taylor also hits a little great.
bader also fits that  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 3:58 pm : link
either of them would safe 1+ win additions, and in good offensive seasons maybe double that.
RE: RE: .  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 4:21 pm : link
In comment 16345585 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16345553 DanMetroMan said:


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I predict @mets
sign Michael A. Taylor (yes, despite Tyrone Taylor) and Gio Urshela and really lean into a "much improved" defensive team vs. adding a "big" bat



i can 100% see taylor. they are down 1 starting OF right now even before the unknown of marte. taylor and stewart can maybe be an ok marte backup plan, but they still need a starter.

nimmo in LF + taylor in CF improve the defense immeasurably. if Taylor also hits a little great.


If Kiermaier struggled to find many teams offering him "regular" role then you'd have to guess Taylor is going to find similar. Kiermaier is probably the superior player (he is a year older). They would be loco to rely on Stewart. He had *1* outstanding month (and a horrid September) and is a poor fielder. He's fine as a player in the mix but he can't be the backup plan for Marte being injured or 2023 Marte.
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DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 4:27 pm : link
Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
Starling Marte is batting second and playing right field tonight in his first winter ball action of the season for the Leones del Escogido.
here were the fg median $ projections for kk, taylor, bader  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 4:42 pm : link
kk = 2 x 19m
taylor = 1.5 x 11.5m (7.7 median aav)
bader = 1x10.5m

so yeah i think it's likely the other 2 end up lower $ than kk, and likely lesser roles too (not full time starters).
To  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 4:45 pm : link
be clear, I have no particular excitement for the Mets signing Taylor. Bader is clearly more interesting with multiple seasons where he was an above average hitter (2018, 2020, 2021). Taylor is the superior CF and is more durable, but also strikes out a TON and is 33. Wouldn't give any of these guys multiple seasons but I also highly doubt Stearns would either.
RE: To  
Eric on Li : 1/3/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16345653 DanMetroMan said:
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be clear, I have no particular excitement for the Mets signing Taylor. Bader is clearly more interesting with multiple seasons where he was an above average hitter (2018, 2020, 2021). Taylor is the superior CF and is more durable, but also strikes out a TON and is 33. Wouldn't give any of these guys multiple seasons but I also highly doubt Stearns would either.


i think they are 1 year only from here out, with the only exceptions being if 1 of the top remaining SP fits their value. or if they do something creative with woodruff which is really a discounted 1 year deal for next year by missing this year (and getting paid).

i would guess that their offer to giolito was a true 1 year but perhaps with more $ this year.
Marte  
DanMetroMan : 1/3/2024 7:19 pm : link
Single first time up
Manaea  
Shecky : 1/3/2024 11:25 pm : link
Where’s all this talk coming from 🤔?
Thread is now 1 month old...  
moze1021 : 1/4/2024 7:52 am : link
Longest Mets offseason thread ever?

Typically there would be some substantial news warranting a new thread over this particular 1 month period in the offseason... lol

Syracuse  
DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 8:03 am : link
Mets put out a “hype” tweet regarding Tyler Stuart “coming soon”, so in something of a change it looks like an aggressive promotion for a Mets P. Stuart only 35 AA innings (kinda meh innings if we are being honest) but still interesting (assuming “coming soon” doesn’t mean a few months into the season. Not sure why Syracuse would be tweeting about him if that’s the case)
Time for a new thread methinks.  
Optimus-NY : 1/4/2024 8:13 am : link
It's a new year. The Winter Meetings are over. Yamamoto news is over, as is Ohtani. January is going to be it's own thing. It's time for a new thread. Can someone start one please? Shecky? Anyone?
RE: Manaea  
DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 8:19 am : link
In comment 16345896 Shecky said:
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Where’s all this talk coming from 🤔?


In fairness it’s coming from multiple writers. Sammon and Puma both mentioned him by name and now Mike Mayer
If the Red Sox  
pjcas18 : 1/4/2024 8:27 am : link
offer Trevor Story for Alonso, but they throw in Roman Anthony, do you do it?

it sure seems Story is cooked, and Anthony at 19 has risk all over him, but that is the kind of transaction I'd be looking at to rebuild.

And I'm not sure if this kind of thing is allowed but I'd make it really attractive to Story to opt out after 2025. I'd offer a $0 contract with 10M deferred so it doesn't count on the Luxury tax - some kind of creative buyout.

RE: If the Red Sox  
DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 9:00 am : link
In comment 16345972 pjcas18 said:
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offer Trevor Story for Alonso, but they throw in Roman Anthony, do you do it?

it sure seems Story is cooked, and Anthony at 19 has risk all over him, but that is the kind of transaction I'd be looking at to rebuild.

And I'm not sure if this kind of thing is allowed but I'd make it really attractive to Story to opt out after 2025. I'd offer a $0 contract with 10M deferred so it doesn't count on the Luxury tax - some kind of creative buyout.


Without thinking twice. Anthony will be a top 5-10 prospect in baseball at this time next season. Quote me (*barring injury)
Puma  
DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 9:00 am : link
Mets have indicated to teams they are open to trading Omar Narvaez, who would welcome a chance to play somewhere with at least semi-regularity. Mets have Tomas Nido in the minor leagues making $2.1 million for the coming season.
RE: RE: If the Red Sox  
pjcas18 : 1/4/2024 9:13 am : link
In comment 16346053 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16345972 pjcas18 said:


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offer Trevor Story for Alonso, but they throw in Roman Anthony, do you do it?

it sure seems Story is cooked, and Anthony at 19 has risk all over him, but that is the kind of transaction I'd be looking at to rebuild.

And I'm not sure if this kind of thing is allowed but I'd make it really attractive to Story to opt out after 2025. I'd offer a $0 contract with 10M deferred so it doesn't count on the Luxury tax - some kind of creative buyout.




Without thinking twice. Anthony will be a top 5-10 prospect in baseball at this time next season. Quote me (*barring injury)


Would the Sox do it to shed salary? or is Anthony to highly regarded. I'd say Marcelo Mayer but here in Boston he's the next Nomar.
I suspect  
DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 10:03 am : link
Roman Anthony is untouchable unless it were a deal for a young star. He’s a special talent.

-interesting (maybe just to me). Demarlo Hale is the Gibbons/Mendoza connections (Hale is friends with both) and Mendoza went to Stearns with the r commendation. So he didn’t have Gibbons forced upon him at all.
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DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 10:13 am : link
Chris Sale, who was traded to Atlanta last week, now signs a two-year, $38 million contract.
He will earn $18 million this season.
He will earn $22 million in 2025.
.  
DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 10:30 am : link
Chris Clegg
@RotoClegg
Atlanta wastes no time signing Chris Sale to an extension. He will make $16 million in 2024 and the Red Sox sent $17 mil over in the trade. The salary does jump to $22 mil in 2025 and there is a club option for 2026.
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DanMetroMan : 1/4/2024 10:33 am : link
story has ~100m left so i think trade evaluator has his -value right  
Eric on Li : 1/4/2024 10:45 am : link
if we went by the FG valuation of a 60 grade position player, which there are only 7 of in the whole minors, that is worth $55m. so i think this idea is reasonably fair value, though just bc something is fair value though doesnt mean the red sox would do it. the price of a g7 is fair but i havent purchased one yet.



a 65 grade minor leaguer would be the #1 player in minors because there are none of them goes up to being valued at $62m, so that is roughly how under water Story's contract is, though i think the red sox (and most other teams) would suffer the $ pain of affording 1 less giolito signing for the next 4 years before cutting off their nose to spite their face.

i dont think other teams are going to value alonso as a deal breaker right now given he's likely going to UFA with boras next year. at the deadline as a 'final piece' i think you should be able to get a fringe top 50 gilbert or acuna from a contender looking to go for it.
RE: Time for a new thread methinks.  
Eric on Li : 1/4/2024 10:49 am : link
In comment 16345959 Optimus-NY said:
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It's a new year. The Winter Meetings are over. Yamamoto news is over, as is Ohtani. January is going to be it's own thing. It's time for a new thread. Can someone start one please? Shecky? Anyone?


i say we protest and stay in this thread until they sign someone and then we make that the new thread.

nothing groundbreaking here but this is from feinsand and his guess on imanaga is mets.

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Can you predict where each guy will ultimately land?

Based on conversations with executives and other industry types, I’m not sure that strong favorites have emerged yet for any of the three. Predicting these things never seems to go well, but if I had to guess right now (which apparently I do), I would say Imanaga signs with the Mets, Montgomery reunites with the Yankees and Snell signs with the Angels … or Giants.


also has them connected to 2/3 sp (i assume montgomery the other):

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The Yankees and Angels have been connected to all three, while the Cubs, Phillies, Mets, Red Sox and Giants are believed to have interest in at least two apiece.

Snell, Monty, Imanaga: Who signs first? Where will each pitcher land? - ( New Window )
I just got an alert  
Drewcon40 : 1/4/2024 11:13 am : link
that the Mets reportedly signed Harrison Bader?
RE: .  
CooperDash : 1/4/2024 1:49 pm : link
In comment 16346207 DanMetroMan said:
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Hey Dan - what goes into making these projections? They seem so arbitrary. Blake Snell, who just won the CY (his second), is projected for a big jump in ERA. But Spencer Strider with only two years of experience is projected to have a much improved ERA? I was just curious.
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