- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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They may be looking to move Steer to the OF most of the time, but they have Fraley, Friedl, and Benson there.
I'd expect they say no, but I'd call
They may be looking to move Steer to the OF most of the time, but they have Fraley, Friedl, and Benson there.
I'd expect they say no, but I'd call
Steer is the Reds new starting LFer
Cincinnati made a crowded infield situation even more crowded with its acquisition of Candelario. Steer is an infielder by trade, but he made 38 starts in the outfield in 2023 and will pegged for regular left field duty in 2024. Even with Steer slated to play mostly in the outfield next season, the Reds would still appear to have at least one more infielder than they have starting spots. Jonathan India remains a good bet to be traded.
@mikemayer22
Have to believe that David Stearns changes his thoughts on third base now a bit.
They really need someone that can at least cover third base (Justin Turner) if Baty doesn’t work out.
1. Yamamoto
2. Snell
3. Montgomery
4. Stroman
5. Imanaga
6. Giolito
3x15= 45 for Lugo. Solid deal for them.
1. Yamamoto
2. Snell
3. Montgomery
4. Stroman
5. Imanaga
6. Giolito
7. Wacha
8. Flaherty
9. Paxton
10. Manaea
@ByRobertMurray
Breakdown of Seth Lugo’s three-year, $45 million contract, per source:
2024: $15 million.
2025: $15 million.
2026: $15 million player option.
@anne__rogers
And the #Royals aren't done. They're also close to finalizing a deal with right-handed reliever Chris Stratton, source tells http://MLB.com. It would be a one-year deal with a player option for 2025, source says.
1. Yamamoto
2. Montgomery
3. Snell
4. Stroman
5. Imanaga
6. Clevinger
7. Wacha
8. Giolito
9. Lorenzen
10. Flaherty #Mets
"I guess the league has been kind of more analytic as far as being able to figure out how to throw certain pitches, how to get certain movements on certain pitches. But I’m a little behind. That’s not something I was doing ever until this year.”
“Stuff that I’ve learned, I wish I would have known just going into the offseason last year, because I got a few building points that I think I can improve a mile or two or velocity or sustain velocity," said Lugo. “So there are things I’m excited for, to get in the weight room and conditioning-wise that I think is going to really help me in the future.”
as a met 2011-2020 2.5m
as a met 2021-2022 6.85m (a more cohesive met org would have extended him ahead of 2021 in return for like 15m gtd with team options)
as a padre in 2023 8.75m
and now basically 2.5x his whole career earnings guaranteed by KC.
steamer has him at 2 wins next year which should be a little surplus on 15m so if he ages appropriately at 1.5 wins in 2025 (age 35) and 1 win in 2026 (age 36) it will be a neutral contract. maybe a lot to ask health wise but having the flex to pen if necessary adds a little protection on that down the road if he cant handle starters innings.
"I guess the league has been kind of more analytic as far as being able to figure out how to throw certain pitches, how to get certain movements on certain pitches. But I’m a little behind. That’s not something I was doing ever until this year.”
“Stuff that I’ve learned, I wish I would have known just going into the offseason last year, because I got a few building points that I think I can improve a mile or two or velocity or sustain velocity," said Lugo. “So there are things I’m excited for, to get in the weight room and conditioning-wise that I think is going to really help me in the future.”
not surprising given what we know about the pitching lab basically starting over and only opening a few months ago.
tough to tell what he is now, a lot of the metrics bounced back and he gained velocity out of the bp but who knows what that would look like starting.
steamer does project him at 2 fwar though and id imagine there wont be many cheaper players on the market at that projection. median projection of 2x12m seems a little high, if it comes to it a bigger 1 year like severino maybe.
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always been the Manaea guy (I remember our Bassitt/Manaea debates) but he might be a decent fit.
tough to tell what he is now, a lot of the metrics bounced back and he gained velocity out of the bp but who knows what that would look like starting.
steamer does project him at 2 fwar though and id imagine there wont be many cheaper players on the market at that projection. median projection of 2x12m seems a little high, if it comes to it a bigger 1 year like severino maybe.
He's basically Trevor Williams now. 37 appearances 10 starts. The Mets could use somebody like that
Should also be noted that as bad as Giolito was post-trade (and he was), his final 5 starts included back to back starts (14 innings 5 hits 2 er 1 walk 21 k's) and over his final 12 starts went 6+ 6 times, 5+ 8 times, and 3 or less runs 5 times
So it wasn't as if he traded and then absolutely tanked. When he was bad, he was really bad, why? I couldn't tell you but he also had some dominant starts post-trade.
Lugo 3 for 45? Giolito 4 for 60 seems fair to me (Clemens projection).
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"I guess the league has been kind of more analytic as far as being able to figure out how to throw certain pitches, how to get certain movements on certain pitches. But I’m a little behind. That’s not something I was doing ever until this year.”
“Stuff that I’ve learned, I wish I would have known just going into the offseason last year, because I got a few building points that I think I can improve a mile or two or velocity or sustain velocity," said Lugo. “So there are things I’m excited for, to get in the weight room and conditioning-wise that I think is going to really help me in the future.”
not surprising given what we know about the pitching lab basically starting over and only opening a few months ago.
thinking about this a little more the comments are almost entirely reflective of the wilpon era:
ahead of 2021 season, cohen only got control of the team 4 months ahead of ST
ahead of 2022 season, even if they had the pitching lab built and ready to go there was the lockout from dec-march
nobody wants to hear this is day 1 when it's year 4, but i think 5 years from now we are going to look at the 2021-2023 years as a preamble ahead of whatever the cohen reign ultimately becomes. glimmers of hope like lindor, the 2022 season, the 2023 trade deadline mixed with a lot of spoilage from not having been able to get stearns or someone like him earlier. hopefully he lives up to the hype.
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always been the Manaea guy (I remember our Bassitt/Manaea debates) but he might be a decent fit.
tough to tell what he is now, a lot of the metrics bounced back and he gained velocity out of the bp but who knows what that would look like starting.
steamer does project him at 2 fwar though and id imagine there wont be many cheaper players on the market at that projection. median projection of 2x12m seems a little high, if it comes to it a bigger 1 year like severino maybe.
He's basically Trevor Williams now. 37 appearances 10 starts. The Mets could use somebody like that
im a trevor fan but he only got 2/13m last year, for 2/24m id be hoping for a more solid sp like quintana (which was probably maeda).
but im pretty sure the mets non-aggression in that market place indicates that their plan A is going to dictate the middle/back end as it should. Meaning plan B might be 2 more quality multi-year pitchers (snell/monty + imanaga/giolito) as opposed to Yamamoto and more of a 1-2 year back end flex guy (like Manaea).
ive never been a big hefner believer so dont take my comments as an endorsement of him or even a reflection on the quality of people they've had (or still have). their track record going forward with the new pitching lab will sink or swim with the outcomes.
my comments are in terms of organization building and how there wasn't much time for the new mets organization to build out that function well while he was here. the cohen mets probably hired hundreds of people just starting their work between the day he bought the team and the day lugo signed in SD, and then perhaps dozens or even hundreds more since. it took them almost 3 years to get the pitching lab open.
Short term deal, I don't see any downside tbh. He's versatile enough where both Baty and Vientos can get ample PT if they deserve it.
Short term deal, I don't see any downside tbh. He's versatile enough where both Baty and Vientos can get ample PT if they deserve it.
i think martino said they could go in that direction. i didnt realize but fg has urshela projected at 8m so he's not the cheap option i thought he may be. turner at 14m is a better fit for the role unless urshela's market is way below that.
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Justin Turner just makes too much sense (if he's willing to take 1 year or 1+ team option (buyout)). 3b/2b/1b/DH, Turner/Stearns have both spoken fondly of each other. ++ clubhouse guy. Hopefully, Baty wins the 3b job outright, would be a great "problem" to have
Short term deal, I don't see any downside tbh. He's versatile enough where both Baty and Vientos can get ample PT if they deserve it.
i think martino said they could go in that direction. i didnt realize but fg has urshela projected at 8m so he's not the cheap option i thought he may be. turner at 14m is a better fit for the role unless urshela's market is way below that.
I'd much prefer Cohen "overpaying" Turner vs. Urshela if those are the choices.
@Russ_Dorsey1
Sources: The Dodgers are meeting with free-agent RHP Yoshinobu Yamamoto today in Los Angeles as he continues to meet with teams.
@JonHeyman
Mets checked in late on old friend Seth Lugo but never made an offer
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Scott Merkin
@scottmerkin
Hendriks has had conversations with other teams since White Sox declined his $15 million option for '24 and he became a free agent. One of those teams who has talked to him is the Cubs, per Hendriks.
@mikemayer22
Have to believe that David Stearns changes his thoughts on third base now a bit.
They really need someone that can at least cover third base (Justin Turner) if Baty doesn’t work out.
Turner almost becomes a priority at this point, despite the fact that he doesn't play at the hot corner like he used to both quality-wise as well as quantity-wise. I'd try and sign him for a year or a year and an option with a high AAV to get him here.
Jung Hoo Lee to Giants. 6 years, $113M. opt out after 4 years.
Jung Hoo Lee to Giants. 6 years, $113M. opt out after 4 years.
just keep peeling off whatever $ possible to teams meeting with yamamoto. giants payroll has mostly been around 175m, highest was 208m in 2018. that lee deal should take them right around 170m.
ill be pleasantly surprised if im over-hyping the scale of whatever yamamoto deal ends up being. if thats the case it may even move quicker than we think, though i suppose that could happen in either scenario depending on how aggressive teams are already. we now know of 4 total meetings i think so the lowest spender moving on with a big contract elsewhere seems maybe notable.
Mike Mayer
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Mets had interest here. This deal is significantly more than what most outlets predicted. MLBTR had 5/50.
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Jung Hoo Lee to Giants. 6 years, $113M. opt out after 4 years.
just keep peeling off whatever $ possible to teams meeting with yamamoto. giants payroll has mostly been around 175m, highest was 208m in 2018. that lee deal should take them right around 170m.
ill be pleasantly surprised if im over-hyping the scale of whatever yamamoto deal ends up being. if thats the case it may even move quicker than we think, though i suppose that could happen in either scenario depending on how aggressive teams are already. we now know of 4 total meetings i think so the lowest spender moving on with a big contract elsewhere seems maybe notable.
Giants have been looking to spend money for multiple off-seasons but have been turned down. They are 100% still involved on Yamamoto. Martino just said on SNY Yankees and Dodgers remain the favorites
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and the people who go out are going to be some of the teams who have already started committing money to other players.
if the yankees didnt already get soto they would be in even more than they already are. same with lad/ohtani. same with sfg and lee.
let's hope bellinger to tor happens too.
“ The Giants are in a debt position that is the envy of every National League club, even including the Dodgers and very much including the Cubs. Their ballpark is paid off, it is just as beautiful as the day it opened and it has proven to be the revenue generator that Magowan and Baer envisioned. They have more mid- to long-term payroll flexibility than any team in the major leagues. They don’t even forecast to have any players who will become hyper-expensive in salary arbitration in the foreseeable future. Whenever things get back to normal, their operating income should rise to elite levels once again. And 2020 was going to be a leaner year in terms of Giants ticket sales, anyway, as fans anticipated another rebuilding season.
Now their rebuilding effort is one year further along and their big-dollar contracts are ever closer to falling off the books. Even in a year in which the sport was forced to stand still for so long, the Giants were able to make progress in president of baseball operations Farhan Zaidi’s reimagining of the major-league roster.
The more financially stable and healthy a franchise is, the more it is able to absorb an economic downturn — or even a catastrophe.”
Would give insurance at 1B too and if Vientos doesnt take the DH role, he could fill in there too.
Nothing you guys don't already know though.