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Shecky : 12/4/2023 10:28 am
- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.

Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.

Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.

Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:

Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.

Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.

Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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RE: Athletic  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 6:43 pm : link
In comment 16322222 DanMetroMan said:
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Article on the Giants from 2021 regarding their money situation. Unclear why you would think Lee would stop them from going for Yamamoto.. offered Judge *400* million Link - ( New Window )


because it's rare teams upend their entire economic structure in 1 offseason. we all remember arson judge and the correa situation. had they signed judge i dont think they would have also still been in on correa to the extent they were even if they weren't "out".

teams budgets arent infinite (even cohen).
RE: not sure i remember a deal that almost doubled projected deal size  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 6:45 pm : link
In comment 16322218 Eric on Li said:
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this tweet was re: lee:


Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
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Mets had interest here. This deal is significantly more than what most outlets predicted. MLBTR had 5/50.


Same thing happened with Yoshida. When he signed it was being predicted he would get about half of what he did (90 million)
RE: RE: Athletic  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 6:47 pm : link
In comment 16322227 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16322222 DanMetroMan said:


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Article on the Giants from 2021 regarding their money situation. Unclear why you would think Lee would stop them from going for Yamamoto.. offered Judge *400* million Link - ( New Window )



because it's rare teams upend their entire economic structure in 1 offseason. we all remember arson judge and the correa situation. had they signed judge i dont think they would have also still been in on correa to the extent they were even if they weren't "out".

teams budgets arent infinite (even cohen).


Texas Rangers did just that. 2021 payroll 94 million, 20th in baseball, 2022 142 million OD, 2023 OD 196. Spent 500 million on Semien and Seager the same
Offseason
Eno on Lee  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 6:56 pm : link
Best comp for Jung-hoo Lee might be 2022 Brendan Donovan (107 max EV, 87.7 ave EV, 6 degree angle, 15% K) so Lee can probably hit something like .280 with good on-base and 10-12 homer power. Future with Giants will depend on the injured ankle recovering for speed & CF defense.
Nightengale  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 6:57 pm : link
The Toronto Blue Jays, Chicago Cubs and San Diego Padres all had expressed strong interest in Jung Hoo Lee before he signed his 6-year, $113 million deal with the San Francisco Giants.
Center fielder/1B Cody Bellinger now squarely on those teams' radar, along with the Giants.
RE: Nightengale  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 6:58 pm : link
In comment 16322241 DanMetroMan said:
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The Toronto Blue Jays, Chicago Cubs and San Diego Padres all had expressed strong interest in Jung Hoo Lee before he signed his 6-year, $113 million deal with the San Francisco Giants.
Center fielder/1B Cody Bellinger now squarely on those teams' radar, along with the Giants.


So Giants still in on Bellinger. He won’t cost 300 million but it sure does suggest they have money to spend . He’s going to get 200 or so when it’s all said and done
SF  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 7:31 pm : link
Was in on Ohtani at the exact same price as LAD, he picked LAD. SF acknowledging this. 10 years 700 with the same deferred money. Wow
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 8:31 pm : link
Still in on Taylor per Puma. Legitimately the only name we keep hearing routinely for the OF..
RE: RE: not sure i remember a deal that almost doubled projected deal size  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 8:32 pm : link
In comment 16322231 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16322218 Eric on Li said:


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this tweet was re: lee:


Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
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Mets had interest here. This deal is significantly more than what most outlets predicted. MLBTR had 5/50.



Same thing happened with Yoshida. When he signed it was being predicted he would get about half of what he did (90 million)


just checked yoshida's median last year was 4x14m.
lee's was 4x15m.

mlbtr hadnt even predicted on yoshida last year so i guess they've been more off than the rest (who have all also been low).
RE: RE: RE: Athletic  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 8:38 pm : link
In comment 16322233 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16322222 DanMetroMan said:


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Article on the Giants from 2021 regarding their money situation. Unclear why you would think Lee would stop them from going for Yamamoto.. offered Judge *400* million Link - ( New Window )



because it's rare teams upend their entire economic structure in 1 offseason. we all remember arson judge and the correa situation. had they signed judge i dont think they would have also still been in on correa to the extent they were even if they weren't "out".

teams budgets arent infinite (even cohen).



Texas Rangers did just that. 2021 payroll 94 million, 20th in baseball, 2022 142 million OD, 2023 OD 196. Spent 500 million on Semien and Seager the same
Offseason


i didnt say it never happens just that it's rare. the padres are the other team who did it over the last few years and as it turned out they were far enough over their skis they went beyond the debt limits.

every dollar any of these teams give to other players is a dollar less they have to give to yamamoto, and in the case of the teams approaching the various luxury taxes $2-3 more.

and if someone else decides to spend over their skis like SD did, all the power to them. that's 1 less team to compete with in future offseasons. ive been afraid of LAD far more than NYY this entire time for that reason and still am.
RE: SF  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 8:44 pm : link
In comment 16322279 DanMetroMan said:
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Was in on Ohtani at the exact same price as LAD, he picked LAD. SF acknowledging this. 10 years 700 with the same deferred money. Wow


this is partially a guess but id imagine part of why they keep losing bidding wars is because players may not be the most confident they will continue spending on more after they go in. they dont want to be both first and last. if they have other options. if they dont as it appeared correa didnt they will sign there.

didnt it come out yesterday that ohtani offered the same deferred contract to all the teams involved?

the payroll value of the contract ($460m),
and the fact that it's not the current owners cash problems for 10 years,
and the extra revenue from signing ohtani made that contract a no brainer for anyone.

that's $700m even the wilponzis would have spent.
bowden so take with several grains of salt  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 9:20 pm : link
but here are his fresh predictions from today (only posting the ones notable for mets).

other than eno (who was the only writer ive seen suggest "400") this is one of the higher predictions for yamamoto and it still feels very low to me. it seems kind of crazy to me the mets wouldn't beat the cole contract at the very least for a player that much younger.

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1. Yoshinobu Yamamoto, RHP
Age: 25
2023 (Orix Buffaloes, Japan Pacific League): Stats

Team prediction: Yankees
Yamamoto is the most sought-after free agent remaining on the market. When the offseason began, it was believed he would get a contract in the $200 million to $220 million range, but now several front-office executives believe he will get closer to $300 million. Why such a big swing? It’s rare for a top-of-the-rotation starter to hit free agency at such a young age and it’s thought that the bidding war among teams, including many big-market clubs, will drive up the price.

Best fits: Yankees, Mets, Dodgers, Rangers, Giants, Red Sox, Cubs
Contract prediction: Nine years, $304 million

2. Jordan Montgomery, LHP
Age: 30
2023 (Rangers/Cardinals): 4.1 WAR

Team prediction: Rangers

3. Blake Snell, LHP
Age: 31
2023 (Padres): 6.0 WAR

Team prediction: Mets
Snell went 14-9 with a 2.25 ERA and 234 strikeouts over 32 starts. He didn’t allow a run in five of his last six starts and was one of the bright spots for the Padres in a disappointing season. However, he’s only pitched 130 innings or more in two of his eight seasons, although he did win a Cy Young Award both years (2018 with Tampa Bay and this year with San Diego). Snell’s market has been quiet but most team executives believe that if Yamamoto declines the Mets’ offer, they will pivot to Snell.

Best fits: Mets, Red Sox, Giants, Dodgers
Contract prediction: Six years, $162 million


has mets mentioned with Giolito but him choosing LAD for 1 year 15m.
Where will the top remaining MLB free agents sign? Predicting their new teams, contracts - ( New Window )
Ex Met news  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 9:45 pm : link
On November 13, while playing in a Winter Ball game in the Dominican Republic, Endy Rodriguez injured himself during an at-bat while swinging. After multiple examinations, Endy had reconstructive surgery on the UCL and a repair of the flexor tendon earlier today.

He is expected to return to baseball activity in 10 to 12 months. As a result, he will miss the entire 2024 season.
Law  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 9:58 pm : link
Likes the Lee move for SF
Feinsand  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 10:36 pm : link
Says SD offered Lugo 4 years but at a lower AAV
Glasnow  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 11:17 pm : link
And Margot to the Dodgers
Link - ( New Window )
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 11:18 pm : link
“ Sources tell me and @AzoulayHaron that RHP Ryan Pepiot and Jonny DeLuca are expected to be in the return to Tampa Bay as the Dodgers acquire RHP Tyler Glasnow and OF Manuel Margot”
not sure if this is legit but there's been a ton of lad/glasnow smoke  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 11:19 pm : link
and ohtani's translator started following glasnow on instagram.

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Jack Azoulay-Haron
@AzoulayHaron
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3m
BREAKING: The Dodgers are on the verge of acquiring RHP Tyler Glasnow, and OF Manuel Margot sources tell
@MLBNerds
.


this would be +35m for LAD and put their lux tax payroll around $260m.

plus kershaw still out there unsigned. he's estimated at another 1x20m. plus buehler, gonsolin, sheehan, miller, pepiot, may. how many yachts can they water ski behind?
Kershaw  
DanMetroMan : 12/12/2023 11:25 pm : link
May wait to sign later in the year . Supposedly, may wait and even consider signing with Texas
RE: .  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 11:28 pm : link
In comment 16322466 DanMetroMan said:
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“ Sources tell me and @AzoulayHaron that RHP Ryan Pepiot and Jonny DeLuca are expected to be in the return to Tampa Bay as the Dodgers acquire RHP Tyler Glasnow and OF Manuel Margot”


well cross pepiot off my list i guess.

steamer projos for next year:

kershaw 1.8 (presumably)
glasnow 3.8
miller 2.8
buehler 2.2
sheehan 1.6
stone 1.1

may maybe late season
ohtani back next season

if they spend $300m+ on yamamoto on top of all that, man.

i assume they are done with urias no matter what since it was his 2nd strike and no contract but his case just got passed over to da.
RE: Kershaw  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 11:30 pm : link
In comment 16322469 DanMetroMan said:
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May wait to sign later in the year . Supposedly, may wait and even consider signing with Texas


i think the texas thing was him floating something to keep them honest knowing they were out there looking at all the top names. he was still 13-5 last year with a sub 3 era and on a 1 year deal is a no brainer.
actually 1 mistake glasnow's salary is 25m but CBT is 15m  
Eric on Li : 12/12/2023 11:42 pm : link
so that trade only adds $25m to the CBT payroll for lad.

i dont know if its yamamoto fomo or what but especially for lad, spending the $ they have left on glasnow + imanaga + hader or some combo like that seems like a wiser investment than another huge chunk on 1 player. but maybe that's just wishful thinking for mets.
Rosenthal  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 9:19 am : link
The Dodgers are discussing a trade in which they would get RHP Tyler Glasnow and OF Manuel Margot from the Rays for RHP Ryan Pepiot and OF Jonny Deluca, sources tell @TheAthletic. Deal not complete. Changes possible. Financial exchange likely. On it: @Bnicklaus7, @AzoulayHaron
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 9:45 am : link
We’ll see if it even goes through but @mets were never giving up a “Ryan Pepiot” caliber arm (nor did they have one to spare) for a rental of Glasnow. Makes sense why we stopped hearing the Mets/Glasnow connected
good article from rosenthal on the yamamoto state of play  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:01 am : link
not much that's new, but what he says about NYY is what i've been saying all along.

I think he wrote it before LAD got Glasnow, so he doesn't mention that for them. not sure if intentional or not but he lists the teams LAD, NYY, NYM.

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Dodgers
Rarely does Dodgers president of baseball operations Andrew Friedman sign free agents at the top of the market. Shohei Ohtani was an exception, but that deal was likely fueled by business interests as much as it was by baseball considerations.

Yamamoto would be a purely baseball pursuit, particularly when any marketing benefit would be muted by the presence of Ohtani. But the massive deferrals in Ohtani’s 10-year, $700 million contract might provide an immediate boost for the Dodgers in their pursuit of Yamamoto.

In one sense, the timing lines up almost perfectly.

Ohtani will receive $2 million in each year of his deal, with $68 million deferred. The Dodgers, however, will not need to fund his 2024 deferral until July 1, 2026. The balance of Yamamoto’s posting fee would be due just before that. The team that signs him must pay 50 percent of the fee within the first 14 days, another 25 percent within 12 months and the final 25 percent within 18.

The Dodgers met with Yamamoto on Tuesday. Between injuries, free-agent departures and the major elbow surgery that will prevent Ohtani from pitching in ’24, the team badly needs starting pitching. Assuming Yamamoto is willing to play alongside Ohtani — no team has ever had two Japanese superstars of such magnitude — he looms as a rather obvious answer.

Yankees
Yamamoto is said to enjoy the spotlight, which makes him a natural fit for New York as well as Los Angeles. The Yankees, even coming off a down year, remain one of the glamor teams in the sport. And they already have traded for Juan Soto, along with fellow outfielders Trent Grisham and Alex Verdugo.

The interesting part of the Yankees’ pursuit of Yamamoto is that signing him might diminish their appetite for retaining Soto, who is eligible for free agency at the end of the season. Owner Hal Steinbrenner repeatedly has shown there are limits to his spending. And consider the obligations the Yankees would face if they signed Soto on top of Yamamoto long-term:

Aaron Judge: Earning $40 million annually through 2031.

Gerrit Cole: Earning $36 million annually through 2028. If he opts out at the end of the year, the Yankees can void his decision and retain him by tacking on another $36 million season to the end of his deal.

Giancarlo Stanton: Averaging $26.6 million guaranteed annually, including a $10 million buyout for 2028.

Carlos Rodón: Earning $27 million annually through 2028.

Yamamoto: A 10-year deal would take him through 2033.

Soto: His agent, Scott Boras, almost certainly will seek to beat Ohtani’s discounted present value of $460 million. So, let’s assume the floor for Soto is 10 years, $500 million, with no deferrals.

So, combining those salaries and estimates, we’re talking almost $215 million annually for six players from 2025 to 2027, and considerable sums beyond.

None of that should deter the Yankees from going hard after Yamamoto, particularly when they are hardly guaranteed to retain Soto. At his introductory news conference Tuesday, Soto said he has “the best agent in the league and I put everything on him and let him do his magic for me.” Interpret that as you will.

Mets
Perhaps not even Ohtani fit the Mets’ “2025 and beyond” plan better than Yamamoto. Unlike Ohtani, Yamamoto will not cost the team that signs him a draft pick. He is four years younger than Ohtani. And his future as a pitcher is not in question.

For Mets owner Steven Cohen, that combination of factors should prove irresistible. If Cohen chooses, he can tell Yamamoto’s agent, Joel Wolfe of Wasserman Media Group, that he will top any offer by $50 million. What exactly would stop him?

Cohen declined to compete with the Yankees for Judge, perhaps because the Mets had greater needs, perhaps out of deference for Steinbrenner, who supported Cohen’s problematic bid to become owner. Yamamoto is a different story, an undeniably outstanding fit.

The danger for Cohen is being used as a stalking horse for a team Yamamoto prefers, perhaps even the Yankees. But the Mets last season successfully incorporated Kodai Senga, a former teammate of Yamamoto’s with Team Japan. Senga has spoken highly of Yamamoto and is also represented by Wolfe.

As one rival executive put it, “If you’re not signing Yamamoto, what’s the point of being Steve Cohen?”


the mets only have 1 path to getting him, which is a crazy price tag, and that path isn't even a guarantee. but as long as somebody pays a crazy price they have done all they can do and can pivot to the next best options with 1 less competitor in the market. being used as a stalking horse isnt a danger, it's a necessity.
Rosenthal: Yoshinobu Yamamoto has choices. Here’s a look at his suitors - ( New Window )
SF  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:07 am : link
Expected to “go big” on Snell if they don’t land Yamamoto. Snell is said to favor the West Coast (openly talked about wanting to play for Seattle, who don’t appear to be interested)
Bob  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:08 am : link
Has Yamamoto to NYY and Snell to… SF. That rumor must be picking up steam
also notable i guess rosenthal doesnt list CHC or TOR  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:08 am : link
the other 2 are Boston and SF.
Boston  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:10 am : link
Apparently will chase Montgomery if they don’t land Yamamoto. Montgomery reportedly still hopes to find a way to make it work with Texas
RE: also notable i guess rosenthal doesnt list CHC or TOR  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:10 am : link
In comment 16322673 Eric on Li said:
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the other 2 are Boston and SF.


Nightengale says Yamamoto still has meetings with both Boston and Toronto upcoming
RE: Bob  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:13 am : link
In comment 16322672 DanMetroMan said:
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Has Yamamoto to NYY and Snell to… SF. That rumor must be picking up steam


Snell and SF feels like a good fit.

if Mets miss on Yamamoto i think their preferred backup is probably Montgomery and Imanaga, which the only downside would be a very left handed rotation - which is probably another reason they moved quick on a power righty with Severino.
They  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:13 am : link
Aren’t going to come out and say it but if the Mets don’t land Yamamoto, Snell or Montgomery they might as well admit this isn’t going to be a season where they truly contend and treat the rest of the offseason that way (I’m not saying they won’t sign one) but if they don’t, would be silly to give out 3 year deals for guys like Wacha. I’d still be interested in Giolito given his age and durability
If  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:14 am : link
Snell wants to go to Seattle that badly aka at a discount, Seattle should consider trading one of their young SP for a difference making bat
Nightengale  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:21 am : link
also predicts Hader to LAD as well.
new PR release from wolfe via martino  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:22 am : link
this is good to hear, but if someone connected to yamamoto didnt release something like this re the mets they wouldnt be doing their job.

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It’s obvious to note that Cohen holds a financial advantage over all other suitors, though it is not known if Yamamoto will sign with the highest bidder. Plus, Cohen tends to be careful about being used to drive up prices -- after months of speculation that he would blow away managerial free agent Craig Counsell, Cohen actually put in the lowest bid, below even Milwaukee’s.

And yet. Despite all this, most sources with direct knowledge of Yamamoto’s intentions say that the Mets have somehow climbed into a solid position. The vibe began to shift after Cohen and president of baseball operations David Stearns visited Yamamoto in Japan two weeks ago.

Now, sources with direct knowledge put the Mets in the top two or three candidates for Yamamoto (note to aggregators, human and artificial: that’s an estimate from sources, not an exact list of rankings; there is no clear frontrunner).

Ultimately, finishing second or third on Yamamoto will be the same as finishing sixth. You either get the player or you don’t. But it’s notable that, as this free agency rounds its final turn, the Mets are at least contenders.

Frontrunners? They never have been.

But somehow, despite all the factors working against them, the Mets do have a chance.

Could underdog Mets actually land coveted free agent Yoshinobu Yamamoto? Steve Cohen and company appear to have steadily improved their standing - ( New Window )
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:24 am : link
at one point basically admitted he's speaking with Wolfe. Said something like "in speaking with Yamamoto's people". Well, we know Andy doesn't speak Japanese, so it's safe to suggest he's probably speaking to Giancarlo Stanton's agent, aka somebody he certainly knows thanks to covering the Yankees.
RE: Nightengale  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:25 am : link
In comment 16322696 DanMetroMan said:
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also predicts Hader to LAD as well.


i think end of day LAD will not climb to the NY prices and instead pivot to a Hader + Imanaga + Kershaw combo (plus Glasnow). That feels more like their investing style.

Unless there's some kind of ohtani recruiting factor at play with yamamoto. he very well may pick LAD/NYY but i dont think they will be the high $.
RE: Martino  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:28 am : link
In comment 16322701 DanMetroMan said:
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at one point basically admitted he's speaking with Wolfe. Said something like "in speaking with Yamamoto's people". Well, we know Andy doesn't speak Japanese, so it's safe to suggest he's probably speaking to Giancarlo Stanton's agent, aka somebody he certainly knows thanks to covering the Yankees.


anyone offering the most money is going to be in the final 2-3. especially if they are the team who spends the most money.

in back to back offseasons the mets have signed the 2 most expensive by aav contracts in mlb history. only 2 over 40m. as long as they were interested in yamamoto they were going to end up right where they are now.

their best fortune in all of this is that ohtani chose LAD and Soto got to NY. had those 2 things not happened then the bidding would have been even more super charged.
Eric  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:29 am : link
I think you misunderstood me last night. Kershaw is expected to miss the first half of the season (possibly more) so the expectation is he won't be signing with anybody soon. That's what the latest word was. It's possible he may be forced to retire.


""I don't know how to answer that," Kershaw said when asked about potentially walking away from the sport. His statement about the surgery did at least leave open the door to returning, saying he was "hopeful" to pitch at some point next summer."

If Kershaw is going to play in 2024, the Rangers and Dodgers are the two most likely landing spots. The Dodgers are the only franchise he's ever played for since being selected with the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 MLB draft.
RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:31 am : link
In comment 16322710 DanMetroMan said:
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I think you misunderstood me last night. Kershaw is expected to miss the first half of the season (possibly more) so the expectation is he won't be signing with anybody soon. That's what the latest word was. It's possible he may be forced to retire.


""I don't know how to answer that," Kershaw said when asked about potentially walking away from the sport. His statement about the surgery did at least leave open the door to returning, saying he was "hopeful" to pitch at some point next summer."

If Kershaw is going to play in 2024, the Rangers and Dodgers are the two most likely landing spots. The Dodgers are the only franchise he's ever played for since being selected with the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 MLB draft.


maybe i dont remember which post you mean specifically, i was only mentioning him for salary reasons - which hes projected at 20m. whether they sign him now or later i think they are likely anticipating that in their budget.
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:34 am : link
referring to the fact, Kershaw isn't a sure thing to come back, or even come back with LAD (it's been suggested Texas could potentially try and pull a Scherzer 2.0) move and add a guy like Kershaw later for cheaper. I find it hard to believe Kershaw is getting 20 million for half a season or less. Guess we shall see.
From yesterday  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:38 am : link
Top ranked remaining FA SP (FG's)

1. Yamamoto
2. Snell
3. Montgomery
4. Stroman
5. Imanaga
6. Giolito
7. Wacha
8. Flaherty
9. Paxton
10. Manaea



Top remaining FA SP (@keithlaw
) (I'm skipping Kershaw as he's not going to be a Met)
1. Yamamoto
2. Montgomery
3. Snell
4. Stroman
5. Imanaga
6. Clevinger
7. Wacha
8. Giolito
9. Lorenzen
10. Flaherty



@mlbtraderumors
top 10 remaining FA SP
1. Yamamoto
2. Snell
3. Montgomery
4. Imanaga
5. Giolito
6. Stroman
7. Flaherty
8. Wacha
9. Clevinger
10. Lorenzen
Outside  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:43 am : link
of the top 3 I'd only give multi-year deals to Imanaga and Giolito, otherwise I'd just offer decent AAV's on 1 year deals and see who bites.
RE: I'm  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 10:45 am : link
In comment 16322720 DanMetroMan said:
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referring to the fact, Kershaw isn't a sure thing to come back, or even come back with LAD (it's been suggested Texas could potentially try and pull a Scherzer 2.0) move and add a guy like Kershaw later for cheaper. I find it hard to believe Kershaw is getting 20 million for half a season or less. Guess we shall see.


kershaw has only pitched about 20 games per year for the last 3 years and we've seen this same offseason dance with him each of the prior 2 offseasons:

DEC 5 2022 Signed a 1 year $20 million contract with Los Angeles (LAD)
MAR 11 2022Signed a 1 year $17 million contract with Los Angeles (LAD)

he has been battling injuries for the last half decade and they still pay him and he still makes 20 starts with a sub-3 era. he is the lad sp zombie. maybe this year is the year it changes but there is no way they arent at least leaving open the possibility of a return, which they'd need to budget for.
Kershaw  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:47 am : link
has yet to have a season where his velocity dipped and then needed potentially career ending surgery. Therein lies the difference.

2021 his first start was opening day
2022 his first start was April 13th
2023 his first start was opening day

2024 his first start (if it comes at all) will be in July/August.
Going  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:57 am : link
to continue banging the Giolito drum, though I haven't actually seen the Mets in on him.

He's top 10 in both starts and innings pitched since 2018, and despite his post-trade troubles still posted a 3.79 era first 21 starts. He made a whopping 33 starts in 2023, 131 k's over 121 innings pre-trade.

As bad as he was post trade (and he was) his 2nd start with Cleveland 7 innings 3 hits 2 er 0 walks 9 k's, and his 3rd start with Cleveland 7 innings 2 hits 0 runs 1 walks 12 k's) even his 4th start.. 5.1 innings 3 er

Starts 3-4-5 with LAA 18 innings 15 hits 21 k's 4.00 era/3.87 FIP. So yeah, the overall numbers post trade were really bad but he still made 7 starts allowing 4 or less runs post trade,6 starts 3 or less.


He's no longer the all-star caliber guy but he'll only be 30 in July, not the worst thing to have an innings eater who can miss bats, especially with a likely ??? bullpen on paper
RE: new PR release from wolfe via martino  
DanMetroMan : 12/13/2023 10:58 am : link
In comment 16322698 Eric on Li said:
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this is good to hear, but if someone connected to yamamoto didnt release something like this re the mets they wouldnt be doing their job.



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It’s obvious to note that Cohen holds a financial advantage over all other suitors, though it is not known if Yamamoto will sign with the highest bidder. Plus, Cohen tends to be careful about being used to drive up prices -- after months of speculation that he would blow away managerial free agent Craig Counsell, Cohen actually put in the lowest bid, below even Milwaukee’s.

And yet. Despite all this, most sources with direct knowledge of Yamamoto’s intentions say that the Mets have somehow climbed into a solid position. The vibe began to shift after Cohen and president of baseball operations David Stearns visited Yamamoto in Japan two weeks ago.

Now, sources with direct knowledge put the Mets in the top two or three candidates for Yamamoto (note to aggregators, human and artificial: that’s an estimate from sources, not an exact list of rankings; there is no clear frontrunner).

Ultimately, finishing second or third on Yamamoto will be the same as finishing sixth. You either get the player or you don’t. But it’s notable that, as this free agency rounds its final turn, the Mets are at least contenders.

Frontrunners? They never have been.

But somehow, despite all the factors working against them, the Mets do have a chance.

Could underdog Mets actually land coveted free agent Yoshinobu Yamamoto? Steve Cohen and company appear to have steadily improved their standing - ( New Window )


The Counsell note *should* make those who think they scrambled for plan B in Mendoza feel a little bit better.
RE: Going  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 11:12 am : link
In comment 16322754 DanMetroMan said:
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to continue banging the Giolito drum, though I haven't actually seen the Mets in on him.

He's top 10 in both starts and innings pitched since 2018, and despite his post-trade troubles still posted a 3.79 era first 21 starts. He made a whopping 33 starts in 2023, 131 k's over 121 innings pre-trade.

As bad as he was post trade (and he was) his 2nd start with Cleveland 7 innings 3 hits 2 er 0 walks 9 k's, and his 3rd start with Cleveland 7 innings 2 hits 0 runs 1 walks 12 k's) even his 4th start.. 5.1 innings 3 er

Starts 3-4-5 with LAA 18 innings 15 hits 21 k's 4.00 era/3.87 FIP. So yeah, the overall numbers post trade were really bad but he still made 7 starts allowing 4 or less runs post trade,6 starts 3 or less.


He's no longer the all-star caliber guy but he'll only be 30 in July, not the worst thing to have an innings eater who can miss bats, especially with a likely ??? bullpen on paper


i think the reason giolito is quiet is because he is likely to prefer a pillow contract. he is in a similar situation to conforto last year but for different reasons.

i havent seen any 2-3 year multi-year projection that seems good enough to stop him from taking a 1x20m and re-entering the market next year hoping to get $100m+. a good year (3+ fwar) would likely land him something comparable to whatever montgomery gets this year.
RE: Kershaw  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 11:20 am : link
In comment 16322740 DanMetroMan said:
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has yet to have a season where his velocity dipped and then needed potentially career ending surgery. Therein lies the difference.

2021 his first start was opening day
2022 his first start was April 13th
2023 his first start was opening day

2024 his first start (if it comes at all) will be in July/August.


maybe im just going by the aggregate projections (which include all the guesses from execs who talk to heyman, bowden, etc). some had him lower like 12m, some had him higher above 20m (including heymans experts and bowden).

i do recall there were 1-2 times in there prior where kershaw had the back and arm issues that made his situation very tbd. if he was considered fully healthy the last few years he would have been making more than he made on 1 year deals, possibly by as much as double. he was worth almost as much on the field in 2022 (3.8 fwar) as scherzer and he got a contract less than half of what scherzer/jv got for just 1 year even though he was healthy enough to start opening day. and he's 3+ years younger than both. thats why i think he's always just going to choose to go back to LAD, this time included, and whatever the contract is it will be a steal for LAD even if it's no different than the severino contract. steamer has a higher projection on kershaw in 16 starts next year than severino in 26.
executive, agent, and player reactions to ohtani contract (rosenthal)  
Eric on Li : 12/13/2023 11:35 am : link
honestly not much different than the bbi thread.
MLB agents, executives react to Shohei Ohtani’s wild Dodgers contract - ( New Window )
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