- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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@martinonyc
Understandable that Yankees and Mets fans want daily Yamamoto updates, but his free agency is not at that point yet. He's going through his free agency process, clubs are waiting and wondering. Status quo.
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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I will reiterate that according to most sources, the Mets have earned themselves at least a place in this conversation. That's still the case.
I was thinking of Alonso for Trout.
I was thinking of Alonso for Trout.
I'm honestly a little confused. You were talking about trading Alonso for prospects to reset. Now for a 30 year old with a bad back who is always injured? I don't see how that jives with that.
I was thinking of Alonso for Trout.
trout has about 250m left on his deal in cash and almost $260m in luxury tax salary, so he is going to cost mets a huge amount beyond the cash. he'd also virtually eliminate any chance of getting under repeater tax. so if that's all paid with cohen tax on top you are looking at almost $500m.
his 37.1m CBT salary each year is likely at least +12m over whatever alonso extends at, which at the 3rd repeator level would be like an extra $20m per year. the back and being 4 years older make it unlikely for him to provide a ton of defensive value going forward (you may even want to DH him to conserve his health).
at the moment alonso has + value even as a rental and trout doesnt so unless the angels are emotionally invested in a bad decision (which they were w/ ohtani at the deadline) they should definitely do that, even if they were just going to flip alonso for a rental return and start over.
trout is a very all in move for the next 2-3 years so if the mets do it i doubt theyd want to move alonso. id consider trout but only if it was getting paid down by dumping Marte and with cash coming back for future years too.
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stuff reminds me of Wright or Mattingly but Trout was better than both so may be worth the risk.
I was thinking of Alonso for Trout.
I'm honestly a little confused. You were talking about trading Alonso for prospects to reset. Now for a 30 year old with a bad back who is always injured? I don't see how that jives with that.
Sorry, I thought I said this, but if the Mets do get appropriate pitching to contend I'd look to make this trade since I am against extending Alonso.
In 82 games Trout produced more fWAR than Alonso over 154 games. The Mets would have to believe that Trout is not washed.
at some point id imagine the price gets high enough to push them towards an imanaga or other 2nd tier SP. they would be a great fit for Giolito on a pillow deal - and he's from burbank. montgomery would also appear a really good fit there but i think their best ROI would be Giolito + Hader.
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You're losing your mojo lol
Who was that?
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who broke the Glasnow trade said the Yankees feel they are going to be landing Yamamoto.
Who was that?
pretty sure this guy.
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this +3 (or more) wins in LF would be a damn fine upgrade. run prevention and a great hitter who should age gracefully rolled into 1. easily one of my favorite players in the last decade.
this +3 (or more) wins in LF would be a damn fine upgrade. run prevention and a great hitter who should age gracefully rolled into 1. easily one of my favorite players in the last decade.
cf nimmo
ss lindor
lf yelich
1b alonso
rf stewart/marte?
c alvarez
2b mcneil
dh vientos
3b baty
if marte is in the deal there's definitely room to add taylor, bader, or kiermaier as a 3rd/4th OF to mix in with stewart and improve the defense.
some rumors milwaukee was supposedly talking yelich with toronto a few days ago but i dont see why they wouldnt just spend almost the same for bellinger.
Justin Turner would give the Mets a proven bat and versatility to play third base, if needed.
The Mets, according to a source, have been engaged in discussions with Turner’s camp after initiating contact with the former All-Star early in the offseason.
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2021 99.6
2022 99.0
2023 98.6
(not the best trend)
starling marte
2021 100.2
2022 99.2
2023 100.1
(maybe some hope for him afterall, would not have guessed bat speed was up in 2023?)
christian yelich
2021 102.9
2022 103.0
2023 103.2
still a stud. would be 3rd best on mets to just alonso and vientos.
I just hope he signs after Christmas so I can dream the impossible dream for the holiday.
I just hope he signs after Christmas so I can dream the impossible dream for the holiday.
DREWCON....I share with you that desire and would love Justin Turner for this year as.
I share with you our disdain for the jETS...I think we are safe with another year of no play-offs for the tenants. And then 41 year old Aaron Rodgers is their hope going forward...a very damaged Aaron Rodgers.....Wasting a strong but not Super Bowl Defense....
custom leaderboard on savant. click on 'custom columns' and then check the box for bat speed.
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/custom?year=2023&type=batter&filter=&sort=4&sortDir=desc&min=q&selections=xba,xslg,xwoba,xobp,xiso,exit_velocity_avg,launch_angle_avg,barrel_batted_rate,&chart=false&x=xba&y=xba&r=no&chartType=beeswarm - ( New Window )
I just hope he signs after Christmas so I can dream the impossible dream for the holiday.
I think Cohen is going to throw a monster offer out there at some point. He didn’t fly all the way to Japan to half ass this thing.
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I just hope he signs after Christmas so I can dream the impossible dream for the holiday.
DREWCON....I share with you that desire and would love Justin Turner for this year as.
I share with you our disdain for the jETS...I think we are safe with another year of no play-offs for the tenants. And then 41 year old Aaron Rodgers is their hope going forward...a very damaged Aaron Rodgers.....Wasting a strong but not Super Bowl Defense....
Hewlett-thanks man lol
F’ing Tierney on WFAN today is back chest thumping and hinting Jets will make the playoffs and while feigning support for Devito and the Giants - he is likely irritated by the recent attention we are getting
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To sign Yamamoto badly
I just hope he signs after Christmas so I can dream the impossible dream for the holiday.
I think Cohen is going to throw a monster offer out there at some point. He didn’t fly all the way to Japan to half ass this thing.
I hope so., Metnut.
Predicted this weeks ago, it's the only thing that makes sense.
hope they get Yamamoto, but seems less likely now than it did in September.
if they dont get at least 1 sp on a multi-year deal they are setting themselves up to fail not just this year but next year.
right now they have senga, who was optimized mostly pitching just once a week and who had some kind of medical flag during his physical that added a tjs protection for mets to his contract:
Option price increases $2M with a Cy Young, $1M if 2nd-5th in voting
in 2025 senga will be entering his a32 and thats all they have. if they dont add a quality multi-year deal with him now, what's the plan next year? both burnes + fried? what if 1 extends early or gets traded? if yamamoto signs elsewhere burnes could be unwrapping xmas presents in LA while taking his physical for the dodgers.
Sammon did mention giolito who I've thought was a good fit to the mets on a pillow deal, but if he goes multi-year i dont see how he doesn't push to get around the e-rod deal at least. that would still be meaningful overall savings vs montgomery probably but in terms of aav not much different.
giolito on a big 1 year + imanaga on a multi-year is like the bare minimum of what they'd need to do to give themselves a chance of a quality rotation in 2025. imanaga + senga and hoping 1 of giolito/sevy bounce back would mean probably only needing 1 TOR sp on shopping list next offseason. but even that is banking a lot on senga staying healthy.
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that is him saying the dodgers with:
bobby miller (age 25, 140 innings last year, more projected this year)
glasnow (age 30, 120 innings last year)
sheehan (age 24 120 innings last year, more projected this year)
buehler (age 29, 2 years from TJS, projected at 140 innings this year)
stone (age 25 130 innings last year)
yarbarough (age 31 110 innings last year)
may and/or kershaw coming back maybe midseason
and they may not have a path to filling enough innings.
for 2025 the mets have maybe 175 innings spoken for with senga, if he stays healthy. that's it if they don't sign a multi-year starter. no multi-year SP signed means they are 1 injury from a full 800-1000 innings worth of SP to find next offseason.
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NYY-Yamamoto
TX-Montgomery
SF-Snell
CHI-Bellinger
BOS-Imanaga
TOR-Chapman
LAD-Hader
LAA-Stroman
MIA-Gurriel
ARI-JDM
NYM-Turner
LAD-Giolito
NYY-Yamamoto
TX-Montgomery
SF-Snell
CHI-Bellinger
BOS-Imanaga
TOR-Chapman
LAD-Hader
LAA-Stroman
MIA-Gurriel
ARI-JDM
NYM-Turner
LAD-Giolito
i think yamamoto goes lad or mets. dont see yankees winning a bidding war with either, if he wants to win i think lad are the obvious pick, if he wants $ i think he goes mets, if he wants pinstripes he goes yankees but im not sure enough is made about their situation being a little odd.
if things dont work out this year for them, then what? cashman seemed legitimately on hot seat last year. their currently signed core is all 32 years old+ and the every day players are injury prone. given all that i kind of get why cashman is going all in, just not sure id want to choose less $ to ride out that hand with him.
for the rest i think im generally keeping my predictions from a few weeks ago though with LAD getting glasnow i dont think they go for snell anymore, i think SF wins that one:
BOS-Montgomery
SF-Snell
TOR/CHC-Bellinger/Chapman (each gets one or the other)
NYM-Imanaga
LAD-Hader
I think Giolito goes to whichever of NYM/LAD miss on Yamamoto.
So im thinking mets get some 2/3 of yamamoto/giolito/imanaga.
Turner makes a ton of sense for mets, could also see them still be interested in Gurriel if the price is right but id now prefer yelich if it sends marte the other way even though that would mean taking on a little more money i think it's worth it for a better player. i think that is a really good fit.
brewers are interesting in that if they can move yelich, they should probably also move burnes and do a real reset since they have no chance of extending him. could see him to either of lad or nyy if they miss on yamamoto.
i actually think for giolito it makes more sense to take a 1 year deal independent of who he signs with.
right now the median projections have him 3 years 49m. a good year and he can double that like e-rod or maybe even triple it as glasnow did and montgomery may. i think a 1 year 20m pillow, with maybe a 2nd year option/opt out that guarantees him some security would make a lot of sense for him with mets or lad.
i think mets would probably prefer a 3x49m > 1x20m, so the only question is someone goes to the e-rod level for him. i think that's what it would take for him to go multi-year.
yamamoto is similarly going to sign for a decade, though probably with 1 opt out somewhere in the middle (year 5 would seem like a sweet spot). cohen is richest owner in mlb and just made stearns one of the highest paid execs in mlb on a rumored 5 year deal, ohtani esstentially locked in friedman, i think it's a legitimate unknown w/ nyy how committed they are to continue spending into upper tax tier and cashmans future if things dont go well this year. if they triple their last 3 years tax bill and lose a wild card does he get another year?
ive always like montas. no idea what the health situation is obviously but i could get on board with montas/manaea types as long as they give out 1 significant multi-year deal and fill in with strong depth in all the other open areas (bp, turner, lf).
i think this year is a shit or get off pot year for the prior generation. i could see any of alonso, mcneil, nimmo, diaz on the block this summer with 2025 a year to reset lux tax if they dont show they are a good enough core to compete. but the system is so lacking pitching i think they need to start buying themselves runway for 2025+2026+2027 now.
Yariel
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One thing I think Scott Boras made clear on the score this morning is that he’s positioning Cody Bellinger as a Corey Seager or Bryce Harper type free agent, rather than a Brandon Nimmo or George Springer type free agent.
This free agency might last quite a while.
im sure there's some friendly math going on with teams counting posting fees in their #'s (like eno did with his 400m) but i think the mets (or the highest offer) may end up a true 400m + posting fee.
the simplest way to project yamamoto is probably just looking at Yu since his first mlb year was age 25.
he's been worth 34 fwar in his career and only 3 of 12 seasons over 190 innings. 2 seasons under 100 innings. 266 starts so 22 starts per year. 30 starts 5x.
34 fwar x 9m cost per war on open market = $306m
adjusting for inflation 400m x 11 or 12 years is something 1 of these teams is bound to rationalize.
The question: Is this the time for Cohen to drop the wallet and get it done?
and for as much shock value as the ohtani contract got, the median projections from this exact same group of people were almost exactly right and that was a much harder player to estimate with the TJS and uniqueness of a hitter + pitcher: