- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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He's still as good as all the other $15mm a year arms.
Agreed. 30, 30, and 24 starts the past 3 years. But I know it would probably immediately blow up in the Mets face
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With the pitching market what it is right now - If it's a pure salary dump by the Pads - I'd take Darvish without blinking an eye.
He's still as good as all the other $15mm a year arms.
He very well may need a second TJ. If he were healthy plenty of teams would be interested. His season ended with a stress reaction to his elbow.
Can they afford NOT to take chances with SP? If all he costs is money? The one and only resource we have lol
Certainly not thinking of him as an ace anymore, but as a 5, I go for it personally and cross our fingers.
Apparently bone spurs as well
But he recently experienced unusual irritation in the elbow, prompting the decision to shut him down. Darvish will now rest for five to six weeks in hopes that the time off will allow the stress reaction to heal.
“Yu Darvish is expected to avoid arthroscopic surgery on his elbow, which was a possibility to remove spurs, and he could be full-go by the start of the season.”
Per Kevin Acee of The SD Union-Tribune
ive said in almost every post ive made "he could take less".
i dont think its my view of cohen's wealth that is giving me tunnel vision, i think it's the fact that he's given out the 2 highest AAV contracts to SP the last 2 offseasons and is the only owner who has so far shown he's willing to actually pay substantial "cohen tax".
are those things my view of his wealth or things that actually happened?
Passan directly disputing Martino saying Yamamoto's team has asked to not discuss financial terms up to this point and that bidding will begin today. So either Martino is wrong or Passan is.
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YY would take the biggest offer and because Cohen is the richest man in baseball, that would come from the Mets. But I think it's a bit of simplistic view--especially at the high numbers currently being discussed. You may be right and the Mets may just blow other teams out of the water and YY sign there, but I think your view of Cohen's wealth is giving you a bit of tunnel vision.
ive said in almost every post ive made "he could take less".
i dont think its my view of cohen's wealth that is giving me tunnel vision, i think it's the fact that he's given out the 2 highest AAV contracts to SP the last 2 offseasons and is the only owner who has so far shown he's willing to actually pay substantial "cohen tax".
are those things my view of his wealth or things that actually happened?
Thanks for proving my point. Again, you could be write but it also reads sort of like you’re trying to convince yourself of it.
Andy Martino
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The Mets have not made an offer, but don’t worry , then know when to do so and they will
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YY would take the biggest offer and because Cohen is the richest man in baseball, that would come from the Mets. But I think it's a bit of simplistic view--especially at the high numbers currently being discussed. You may be right and the Mets may just blow other teams out of the water and YY sign there, but I think your view of Cohen's wealth is giving you a bit of tunnel vision.
ive said in almost every post ive made "he could take less".
i dont think its my view of cohen's wealth that is giving me tunnel vision, i think it's the fact that he's given out the 2 highest AAV contracts to SP the last 2 offseasons and is the only owner who has so far shown he's willing to actually pay substantial "cohen tax".
are those things my view of his wealth or things that actually happened?
Thanks for proving my point. Again, you could be write but it also reads sort of like you’re trying to convince yourself of it.
"could be right*" ugh
@NYPost_Mets
Mets have acquired RHP Yohan Ramirez from the White Sox for cash considerations.
@NYPost_Mets
The Mets plan to enter their bid on Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next couple of days. Their expectation is the Japanese pitcher will reach a decision by Christmas.
@francysromeroFR
The Seattle Mariners are the most active team for Cuban OF/DH Jorge Soler, per source.
Yankees and Marlins have also approached and have shown interest.
@jaseidler
One of the lowest hanging pitch design fixes I've seen this offseason is that the Pirates inexplicably had Ramirez stop throwing a good vertical movement, high whiff four-seam in favor of spamming a really mediocre generic sinker like 3/4 of the time
almost as sad to see yankee fans feel the need to jump into met threads to convince themselves their owner is willing to lock into the 3rd year repeater tax for the first time in a half decade.
@MLBDeadlineNews
Robert Murray (@ByRobertMurray
) believes free-agent LHP Josh Hader’s contract this winter will exceed the 5-year $102M contract Edwin Diaz signed last offseason, via the Baseball Insiders livestream
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scraping up scraps hoping for a lucky guess at something.
almost as sad to see yankee fans feel the need to jump into met threads to convince themselves their owner is willing to lock into the 3rd year repeater tax for the first time in a half decade.
Eric,
Unless he's really good at role playing (and despite his confusing name on here) I think bronxboy is actually a Mets fan.
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In comment 16328304 LW_Giants said:
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YY would take the biggest offer and because Cohen is the richest man in baseball, that would come from the Mets. But I think it's a bit of simplistic view--especially at the high numbers currently being discussed. You may be right and the Mets may just blow other teams out of the water and YY sign there, but I think your view of Cohen's wealth is giving you a bit of tunnel vision.
ive said in almost every post ive made "he could take less".
i dont think its my view of cohen's wealth that is giving me tunnel vision, i think it's the fact that he's given out the 2 highest AAV contracts to SP the last 2 offseasons and is the only owner who has so far shown he's willing to actually pay substantial "cohen tax".
are those things my view of his wealth or things that actually happened?
Thanks for proving my point. Again, you could be write but it also reads sort of like you’re trying to convince yourself of it.
"could be right*" ugh
what exactly am i trying to convince myself of?
that the yankees havent spent as much as they would have to for both soto and yamamoto before? that's just the math and will be until soto extends.
or that the cohen seems pretty likely to offer yamamoto a lot of $?
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scraping up scraps hoping for a lucky guess at something.
almost as sad to see yankee fans feel the need to jump into met threads to convince themselves their owner is willing to lock into the 3rd year repeater tax for the first time in a half decade.
Eric,
Unless he's really good at role playing (and despite his confusing name on here) I think bronxboy is actually a Mets fan.
you're right the handle threw me and i misunderstood his comment.
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scraping up scraps hoping for a lucky guess at something.
almost as sad to see yankee fans feel the need to jump into met threads to convince themselves their owner is willing to lock into the 3rd year repeater tax for the first time in a half decade.
Eric,
Unless he's really good at role playing (and despite his confusing name on here) I think bronxboy is actually a Mets fan.
I think this was misdirected anger that was meant for me lol. And, as I said, the Mets very well may sign him--I don't think anyone really knows where he's leaning right now, but I don't think it's as simple as "Cohen is the richest so he will win the bidding."
yeah that was my bad i took your comment differently. i do agree that they've been too yamamoto or bust, but so little has happened that could also end up a misread if they pivot aggressively post-yamamoto decision whether they get him or not. if i were them id have done more by now.
lad and nyy were aggressive pre-yamamoto and are still aggressive w/ yamamoto. mets had enough other areas of need no reason they couldnt have done the same at least in the bp and probably also lf. it may have even helped them with yamamoto. i think scherzer said the signings they made on black friday in 2021 were good to see while he was making his decision.
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scraping up scraps hoping for a lucky guess at something.
almost as sad to see yankee fans feel the need to jump into met threads to convince themselves their owner is willing to lock into the 3rd year repeater tax for the first time in a half decade.
Eric,
Unless he's really good at role playing (and despite his confusing name on here) I think bronxboy is actually a Mets fan.
I think this was misdirected anger that was meant for me lol. And, as I said, the Mets very well may sign him--I don't think anyone really knows where he's leaning right now, but I don't think it's as simple as "Cohen is the richest so he will win the bidding."
i dont know what team you're a fan of anymore than i do bronxboy, and i dont think ive ever said it's as simple as "cohen is the richest so he will win the bidding".
here's a simple question that will maybe clarify things, without any prediction of where he ultimately chooses if you had to guess which ny team offers more $ who would you guess?
yeah i mean i had to ctrl f after your post to recall him on a met thread, i just assumed he was the 4th or 5th yankee fan pile jumping.
ironically different than the nyy fans that visited this thread, in the other thread that turned into more of a yankee thread there's at least 3 or 4 yankee fans saying "350m is crazy for an unknown" - which as you know is something i have been sort of agreeing with since the ohtani contract pointed this one in that direction. if the mets end up being the team that goes there i hope they get it right and are prepared to keep spending to deleverage themselves.
him staying on the west coast makes a lot of sense. i originally thought lad before glasnow, thinking about it im actually a little unsure of why they went glasnow instead since he's actually less reliable than snell in terms of innings which is snells biggest downside.
snell projected at 29m and they could have kept pepiot. glasnow luxury tax is 27m. think id have just signed snell. without margot they'd have more money for yamamoto too if they were so inclined.
i called it a curveball earlier bc i think there's generally a good reason why owners arent normally this active in recruiting. not to mention owner's wives. imagine how bbi would handle john mara hosting a FA dinner with his family at his house with patrick mahomes?
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perhaps Counsell too? though with Stearns here id put that strategy more on him, im not positive if it was specifically reported that one went to Cohen but i think it did?
maybe im the only one but every time i heard players thanking "steve and alex" it's a little cringey but usually it's been from people we were happy took the bag so it's hard to knock the results (lindor, scherzer, jv, stearns, etc).
bidding just starting today reports of 300m offers before today incorrect but expects it to get lucrative. says he expects leaks to get out unlike ohtani but be careful who to trust (specifically said martino is legit but made some comments specifically about whoever reported the sf/bos $300m stuff). re mets "every indication is the mets are serious", heavy competition, dodgers very real threat but this is all just getting started. says some surprise position player trades are out there in discussion but nothing close (did say its not arozorena or yelich or tatis jr).
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-I’d call Pittsburgh about Brubaker. Had TJ in April
"Jeffmlbdraft
@jeffMLBdraft
If the Guardians moved Bieber now it's almost a salary dump from what I heard, read, and been told. Teams discount 2020, and focus on the health and down 2023. Basically, return won't equal the value of having in the rotation rather than say Curry or Lively."
Not really buying this but if Bieber is indeed "almost a salary dump" then rental or not @mets
should be "in". I'm not particularly high on Bieber for 2024 but he's sub-30 and is a deadline deal/QO candidate
@jeffMLBdraft
thats why a trade isn't happening the returns are treating it like a dump and they arent willing to do that
@jeffMLBdraft
thats why a trade isn't happening the returns are treating it like a dump and they arent willing to do that
think about it this way, he's expected to get 12.2m this year, how much more valuable is he than severino who costs nothing from FA? he only made 3 starts more than severino last year and the velocity was 2 mph down from 2020/2021 at 91.
id 100% take him over severino, the question is where is the price that works? cleveland would obviously want more now than they'd perceive getting from a comp pick. or at least something somewhat in line with a decent rental return. that's probably a prospect at least in the marco vargas or jeremy rodriguez realm and at that price i think im passing. anything lower than that is "salary dump". would i trade a vasil straight up for 1 year of him? that's probably a yes but not a no brainer.
signing giolito for 1x20m instead is a no brainer. or maybe even manaea/montas.
both allowed .284/.286 expected batting averages and 90+ mph average exit velocity. they both got hit very hard and very often. bieber allowed 91.6 mph avg ev which was 2nd percentile, severino was 90. which was 18th percentile.
not a big enough difference for a top 10 prospect. if bieber is back to throwing 93 at the deadline it will probably be a different story leaguewide and id imagine thats what cleveland is hoping for as long as they dont need to salary dump him now.
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There is a world where a team takes straw as well, and then sends lesser prospects similar to Glasnow but less of a return
Devil is in the details but the price would likely have to be *significantly* lower than Glasnow's for it to make sense for @mets
. Probably makes sense for a team with less holes. Orioles, Rangers, Cubs, Padres to name a few.
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thats why a trade isn't happening the returns are treating it like a dump and they arent willing to do that
think about it this way, he's expected to get 12.2m this year, how much more valuable is he than severino who costs nothing from FA? he only made 3 starts more than severino last year and the velocity was 2 mph down from 2020/2021 at 91.
id 100% take him over severino, the question is where is the price that works? cleveland would obviously want more now than they'd perceive getting from a comp pick. or at least something somewhat in line with a decent rental return. that's probably a prospect at least in the marco vargas or jeremy rodriguez realm and at that price i think im passing. anything lower than that is "salary dump". would i trade a vasil straight up for 1 year of him? that's probably a yes but not a no brainer.
signing giolito for 1x20m instead is a no brainer. or maybe even manaea/montas.
Oh that's a hard pass from me for either one of those 2. Both are top 20 prospects in the system right now, both reasonable crack at top 10 this time next year (and yes, also a reasonable chance they don't have strong 2024's and my reluctance looks dumb, what can you do?) Risk doesn't seem worth it given what we "know" about the roster.