- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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I am a big fan of his, and I would not give him away but I'd trade Pete Alonso if I got a good offer.
tbf betts was saying all the same stuff soto is saying now, then covid hit and he was extended by july 2020. so kind of a unique situation.
if the right offer came in for alonso id trade him but i very much doubt they get that offer. the yankees dont want to give up thorpe or king for soto, would you consider either by themselves a good enough return for alonso? i dont think i would and im not even sure alonso would return a player on that level straight up.
yes 100% fair but remember 2 things:
1. if they are at $310m before spending in bullpen, +10m more spent in BP is also another $11m on top of that in lux tax
2. if they trade for soto, it is likely they have to replace more than 1 of king/brito/schmidt/vazquez
so if adding yamamoto/soto already takes them over $300m, they are then also in the position of needing to continue spending beyond that probably closer to $320m for total payroll just to get the pen back into the "ok and hopefully improves to good/decent" category.
Tylor Megill
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this is why it's almost impossible for me to believe they won't sign 1 of yamamoto, montgomery, snell.
they cant plan to just go 1-2 years at a time x 5-6 slots in the rotation for the next several offseasons. that is an impossible burden on getting decisions right.
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Sources tell me that no decision has been made as of 12:30PM on the Erick Fedde front. Mets in as others have reported. Some thinking today could be decision day with other pitchers of his caliber trying to find a landing spot.
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Also active today in regards to OF. Both trade and FA market. Not impossible we see movement on either or both fronts. Like
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has reported, CWS in on Fedde.
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Sure as hell sounds like Tyler O'Neill is going to be moved. As many of noted, the Mets and Cardinals probably don't match up too well (Cardinals looking for young pitching) but I'm sure Stearns will make the call #Mets
2021 Tyler O'Neill sure, I'd make a call, 2022 or 2023 pass unless they're giving him away.
Still had a 99 wRC+ in 2022, 1.2 fWAR over 383 ab's 14 homers/14 steals and is a good defensive OFer. Can't stay healthy, that's his biggest issue. I'd be intrigued.
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trade kids for 26 year old Mookie Betts and extended him within months, they don't trade kids for Javier Baez rentals. Do they?
I am a big fan of his, and I would not give him away but I'd trade Pete Alonso if I got a good offer.
tbf betts was saying all the same stuff soto is saying now, then covid hit and he was extended by july 2020. so kind of a unique situation.
if the right offer came in for alonso id trade him but i very much doubt they get that offer. the yankees dont want to give up thorpe or king for soto, would you consider either by themselves a good enough return for alonso? i dont think i would and im not even sure alonso would return a player on that level straight up.
Soto is also looking at a 400M-500M contract on top of the prospects.
Alonso (IMO) more in the 200M-300M range (tops).
but, our each example of a good offer probably varies.
The Mets need to make a decision on Alonso before this time next year basically. and it's either pay him that 200M-300M or take what they can get for him.
that's realistically probably the best level of return the mets can hope for.
that's realistically probably the best level of return the mets can hope for.
not sure, I don't know the prospects that well, but it depends on if the Mets are legit contenders in 2024 IMO.
If they are (so if they get Yamamoto, Montgomery, add BP help) I'm not trading Alonso. I'm all in on 2024 and they're better in 2024 with him (probably).
if they miss Yamamoto and most of the other big name FA adds then it would probably make me pivot to best offer for Alonso.
@JonHeyman
Red Sox stepping up efforts on free agent RHP Seth Lugo. Four or five others, including Braves, interested.
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and offered you either of Thorpe or King as main piece plus some other unimportant spare parts, is that a deal you do?
that's realistically probably the best level of return the mets can hope for.
not sure, I don't know the prospects that well, but it depends on if the Mets are legit contenders in 2024 IMO.
If they are (so if they get Yamamoto, Montgomery, add BP help) I'm not trading Alonso. I'm all in on 2024 and they're better in 2024 with him (probably).
if they miss Yamamoto and most of the other big name FA adds then it would probably make me pivot to best offer for Alonso.
king is their 29 year old version of peterson/megill except better. pitched out of the BP most of last year, made 9 starts and looked good so they think he has upside. steamer projects him to be worth 2 fwar next year going 9-9 with a 3.85 era.
thorpe was picked about 10 picks after blade tidwell in the 2nd round of the 2022 draft. he's 6 months older, both are at AA. thorpe was more successful and supposedly has a great change up but he only has a low-90's FB so there are some questions on his upside. BA ranked him 7th in yankee system yesterday, BP is higher on him having him in their top 50-100 range. law is more like BA and appears not that high on him.
negotiating 101 but the nyy have been pumping that they dont want to trade either of them in a deal for soto and that the ask for both (plus a bunch of other lesser pieces) was a non-starter. i suspect if they get soto they will have relented on that bc soto is a 25 year old future HOFer but alonso isn't that so im not sure he'd even bring back 1 piece on that level.
unless the mets buy that someone like king is about to become the next jordan montgomery but with a bunch of years of control and help the 2024 team + beyond, id sooner just wait until the deadline because you will have a better read on prospects tracking positive or negative. as a rental alonso should still bring back a fringe top 100 type prospect and there will be new teams looking to make a run with new prospects who have emerged (like thorpe did last year and ben brown the year before).
the nimmo route of letting alonso test FA and match the best offer seems like the best path to me if they dont get the price they want in trade, worst case they get an extra $750k or so of bonus pool money to go above slot somewhere to draft another tidwell/thorpe in 2025 when stearns FO and their pitching lab is more developed.
Most of us are Knicks fans who don't remember '85.. lotteries are not fun.
But it changes my approach.
I'd even consider trying to reset - to the extent possible - and get under the luxury tax and create a new plan.
the Mets don't have the pitching prospects, don't have the young pitchers at the major league level. Don't have much bullpen depth, and the lineup has holes.
Not saying there is nothing salvageable but my model to compete is quality and quantity approach to starting pitching (5 #2/3's is better than an ace and 4 4's, or even two old aces and a bunch of 4/5/6's like last year) if you know what I mean), elite bullpen and top notch defense. - like the SF Giants WS teams.
I don't see how the Mets get there. Even Yamamoto wasn't a given - sure he'd help, but there is a lot of work even if the Mets do somehow wind up with him.
This is why my gut has been telling me we don't do anything, while of course hoping or a Soto or Ohtani surprise.
@JonHeyman
Luis Severino, Mets
$13,000,000/1 year
Plus: $500,000 for 27gs
$750,000 each for 29gs; 31gs.
@BNightengale
Yankees manager Aaron Boone expects to meet with Yamomoto during the recruiting process, saying he’d look good in Yankee pinstripes as a ‘pretty special frontline starter.’
@JonHeyman
Luis Severino, Mets
$13,000,000/1 year
Plus: $500,000 for 27gs
$750,000 each for 29gs; 31gs.
So, $13 million?
@BryanHoch
Aaron Boone said that he has met Yoshinobu Yamamoto once already and plans to meet him again soon. Said that Yamamoto would look great in pinstripes.
@BNightengale
Chicago Cubs outfielder Christopher Morel’s name has surfaced in talks with the Tampa Bay Rays about starter Tyler Glasnow
@ByMcCullough
The Dodgers met with Shohei Ohtani at Dodger Stadium “a couple days ago,” Dave Roberts said. Roberts said the meeting went well.
@jonmorosi
Free agent RHP Lucas Giolito, 29, is drawing interest from the Dodgers, Mets, Red Sox, Diamondbacks, and Royals.
The Yamamoto and Ohtani markets could impact Giolito's destination. He posted a 4.88 ERA this year while tying for a league-best 33 GS.
@MLBNetwork
@ChrisCotillo
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
@ChrisCotillo
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
unrelated to the actual message and while this is perfect portrait of how things in baseball are today with players chatting up it up on the base paths and glad handing throughout the game, as someone who grew up in the late 70's early 80's to a diehard Yankees father in an extended family split between the Red Sox and Yankees I much prefer the days when the Red Sox manager and Yankees manager hated each other and weren't face time buddies.
this sucks for a lot of reasons.
@BNightengale
Chicago Cubs outfielder Christopher Morel’s name has surfaced in talks with the Tampa Bay Rays about starter Tyler Glasnow
I'm starting to get a hunch that the Cubs might possibly be interested in moving Morel this offseason.
@ChrisCotillo
Alex Cora: "I called Aaron Boone yesterday, FaceTimed him, and he gave me this kinda-like smile, this look. He was very happy. So something big might happen over there."
….Or he had some chick below his desk tending to some important business…
He's a young 34!
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Another ML signing, and it's not even February yet?
He's a young 34!
They probably thought they signed Raisel
-26 DRS 2021+2022, wow
Funny you say that, almost nobody on twitter thinks he's legit at all and said he just compiles other stuff he's read. Read the comments on most of his threads.
Wendle is best known for his four-year tenure with the Rays, where he thrice eclipsed 500 plate appearances and 3 WAR (or a pro-rated 2020 equivalent) despite never locking down a single position. Instead, he rotated between second, third, and shortstop, primarily manning the keystone early on, then seamlessly shifting the bulk of his starts to third base when Brandon Lowe had a fully healthy season at second. When he hit at an above-average clip, he did so without much pop or plate discipline, putting bat on ball and consistently placing line drives into the outfield. He maximized his productivity given his lack of raw power or lift in his swing, but it relied on his plus speed and bat control, which couldn’t last forever.
Wendle broke into the majors late, playing his first full season for the Rays at age 28. Despite entering free agency for the first time, 2024 will represent his age-34 season. As a result, he’s lost a step over the years, evident in his declining defensive and baserunning value. He took extra bases on hits less frequently than before, and last season was his first as a below-average defender by RAA. His line-drive rate went from great with the Rays to below-average with the Marlins, and hitting the ball on the ground over half the time isn’t effective for someone who doesn’t have the foot speed to leg out infield hits. The warning signs were there in his age-31 season in 2021, so it’s unsurprising Tampa traded him that offseason, (correctly) anticipating a future decline. Wendle was never great with the Marlins, but his production completely fell apart during the last couple months of his tenure there, with a -6 wRC+ over the last two months of the year.
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i think other than martino, marino is the best connected with mets right now. he mentioned on a podcast he got his start in part having some connections to an ownership group (didnt say which one) but he's a met fan, and based on the speed with which he became a reliable source it would make sense.
Funny you say that, almost nobody on twitter thinks he's legit at all and said he just compiles other stuff he's read. Read the comments on most of his threads.
interesting im like 99% sure ive seen him break even more stuff first than mayer in the last couple years, but ill track it closer going forward. he's a college kid so who knows maybe he is just lightning fast at aggregating from audio interviews or something?
im pretty sure he is legit.
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@SNYtv
"I do think you can put together a very competitive and solid pitching staff in a variety of different ways."
David Stearns was asked if he feels the Mets need to add a frontline starting pitcher to have a successful offseason:
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Mystery team blowing up…perhaps bad verbiage. Just saying there may be a team out there that we don’t know about. Dodgers, Blue Jays, Angels and Giants are in. I know that for fact. Unclear if there’s anyone else quietly lurking.
him having pretty good ohtani intel would kind of line up with being sourced somewhere in proximity of mets since it's not a player they are in on right now.
@SNYtv
"I do think you can put together a very competitive and solid pitching staff in a variety of different ways."
David Stearns was asked if he feels the Mets need to add a frontline starting pitcher to have a successful offseason:
is there a link?
He noted yesterday he doesn't see Vientos platooning with Baty if Baty wins the 3b job.
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"I do think you can put together a very competitive and solid pitching staff in a variety of different ways."
David Stearns was asked if he feels the Mets need to add a frontline starting pitcher to have a successful offseason:
is there a link?
SNY is tweeting out clips (linked)
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@BNightengale
Dodgers GM Brandon Gomes said he was surprised by manager Dave Roberts’ candidness about Shohei Ohtani and their private meeting.
He steadfastly refuses to talk about their pursuit.
have they televised before? just curious if it's like a 15 minute lottery or excessively drawn out.
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have they televised before? just curious if it's like a 15 minute lottery or excessively drawn out.
I honestly can't remember what they did last year