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NFT: Mets Thread - Happy Winter Meetings To All!!!

Shecky : 12/4/2023 10:28 am
- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.

Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.

Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.

Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:

Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.

Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.

Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
Previous Mets thread: - ( New Window )
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RE: Eric  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 4:36 pm : link
In comment 16331188 DanMetroMan said:
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what I'm saying is "young core" doesn't sell the Mets very well right now. That's not a selling point.


i agree i wasnt arguing the mets were. my argument was just that young core (and pretty much any other baseball priority) tips LAD.

ive said for a month they were the bigger threat, which is why the nyy "confidence" has always seemed faux to me.

the only reasons yamamoto wouldnt choose LAD would be if they decide the $ is too high and/or if he doesnt want to play with ohtani - which are 2 things nobody can honestly anticipate even now.
honestly i think we all need to look at this like any movement forward  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 4:47 pm : link
in the process as good news.

if you are the mets, either you are already actively in negotiations and viewing this as part of the bidding process to keep leveraging a higher price. or you are out of the loop, just found out on twitter he's going to the game tonight, and you are calling wolfe instantly and asking "are we still in this?"

because if not you are obviously moving on to whatever plan B is. the process taking longer doesnt make him any more likely to choose the mets.

id imagine this report will spur some counter reporting since now every writer is texting their mets, yankees, wolfe contacts asking where things stand, and with this getting out all sides will be more likely to leak out things that fit their narrative.
Yamamoto  
GF1080 : 12/21/2023 4:52 pm : link
Not going to game lol..

This is why I'm sick of the charade even if it's not all his doing.

Embarrassing  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 4:53 pm : link
Jack Harris
@ByJackHarris
Welp, being told now that Yoshinobu Yamamoto IS NOT going to be at the Rams game tonight

The Rams were expecting him to be there, but plans apparently changed
when the original reports started looks like they said "on celeb list"  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 5:00 pm : link
not that he was going, so my guess is with radio silence from yamamoto's side they asked people on the rams side who mistakenly answered in the positive.

it's been about 2 days since the bidding "intensified" and earlier martino reported the mets have made a "substantial offer", so i think the negotiation is playing out right now and the question is still when yamamoto decides.
Man this day and age of twitter is torture...  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 5:02 pm : link
...I miss the days of growing up in Suffolk County and reading Newsday. There was a small section on the box score page that said "Transactions".

If it was a local team, then there'd be a headline.
these were the 2 initial rumors  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 5:03 pm : link
Bruce Kuntz
@Bnicklaus7
Have heard similar that this is a possibility. Per source, both Shohei Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamoto are on the celebrity list for the Rams game tonight at SoFi Stadium. We’ll see if they end up being there after all.

Daniel Starkand
@DStarkand
Just heard there's a possibility both Shohei Ohtani and Yoshinobu Yamamoto will be at SoFi Stadium for tonight's #Rams game against the Saints.

Bring the noise if so, #Dodgers fans.

Jack Harris confirmed those reports, probably after asking a Rams PR staffer who had no idea what they were confirming and is now getting reamed t f out.
Yeah  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 5:05 pm : link
but Eric, he followed up with

Jack Harris
@ByJackHarris
One more detail: They are expected to both be in the owner's suite

so he felt comfortable adding more information he somehow "got".
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 5:07 pm : link
Noah Camras
@noahcamras
It appears Yoshinobu Yamamoto will not be going to the Rams game now. Maybe we scared him off
RE: Yeah  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 5:10 pm : link
In comment 16331231 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
but Eric, he followed up with

Jack Harris
@ByJackHarris
One more detail: They are expected to both be in the owner's suite

so he felt comfortable adding more information he somehow "got".


Jack Harris "Hi just calling to confirm something, I heard Ohtani and Yamamoto are on the list to attend tonights game"

Unsuspecting PR intern "Hi Jack, yes they are right here on the list for owner's box"

Joel Wolfe 10 minutes later looking down to see missed calls from cashman, stearns, cohen, dombrowski, friedman "um what did i miss?"

yamamoto's translator "私は何を取りこぼしたか"

hal steinbrenner "oh thank god i dont need to write that check"
RE: RE: Yeah  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 5:33 pm : link
In comment 16331235 Eric on Li said:
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yamamoto's translator "私は何を取りこぼしたか"


This is my pick of post of the day.
RE: RE: RE: Yeah  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 5:46 pm : link
In comment 16331243 Drewcon40 said:
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In comment 16331235 Eric on Li said:


Quote:


yamamoto's translator "私は何を取りこぼしたか"



This is my pick of post of the day.


this is a pretty good contender too:


Kenneth Glantz
@KMcAwsome
My sources have informed me that Yoshinobu Yamamoto is attending a Trans-Siberian Orchestra concert tonight in Wilkes-Barre, PA.
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 5:49 pm : link
One @mets player I'm not worried about after a down season is McNeil- career .298/.361/.438-.799, second hal 2023f .291/.337/.438-.775.Career 114 wRC+ .346 wOBA second half 115 wRC .336 wOBA 2022 maybe (probably?) was a career year but McNeil 3.5-4 fWAR this season book it #Mets
Very  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 5:51 pm : link
randomly I went down a TSO rabbit hole last night. Had no idea the guy who started the band was such a big deal.

Paul O'Neill


He landed a position at Leber-Krebs Inc., the management company that launched the careers of Aerosmith, AC/DC, Def Leppard, Ted Nugent, New York Dolls, Scorpions, Joan Jett and others. Specifically, he worked as the personal assistant of manager David Krebs.[6][7][8] In the 1980s, O'Neill became a large rock promoter in Japan, promoting every tour of Madonna and Sting in that decade, as well the largest rock festivals in Japan at the time, with such acts as Foreigner, Bon Jovi, Whitesnake, and Ronnie James Dio.[9]


Paul O'Neill managed and produced rock bands including Aerosmith, Humble Pie, AC/DC, Joan Jett, and Scorpions,


Both Billboard Magazine and Pollstar have ranked them as one of the top twenty-five ticket-selling bands in the first decade of the new millennium.[8][9] Their path to success was unusual in that, according to O'Neill, TSO is the first major rock band to go straight to theaters and arenas, having never played at a club, never having an opening act and never being an opening act.[10]




,  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 5:54 pm : link
J.P. Hoornstra
@jphoornstra
Per a source, Shohei Ohtani's camp invited Yoshinobu Yamamoto to attend the Rams game tonight at SoFi. That's how both players wound up on the "celebrity guest list" for the game. But Yamamoto can't make it. An effort was made.
Giants out, mets not (yet) as of 5 minutes ago  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 7:23 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
·
5m
The Mets have not been told they’re out

Alex Pavlovic
@PavlovicNBCS
The Giants have been told they’re out of the bidding for Yoshinobu Yamamoto, per source familiar with discussions. They pushed hard but expectation is that he will end up in LA or NY.
Martino added on with this - though id caution the stalking horse  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 7:25 pm : link
scenario would keep the mets in until the end knowing cohen is the best leverage to bid anyone else up.

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
·
3m
Mets still hanging in there with perceived frontrunners Dodgers and Yankees.
In the car  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 8:09 pm : link
ESPN radio said someone (never heard of him) tweeted Yankees Yamamoto done
Might be posted  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 8:10 pm : link
In other thread
Ty Schmit?  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 8:13 pm : link
Ty Schmit who’s a producer for McAfee’s show tweeted this out just now

“Hearing from very reliable sources that Yamamoto to the Yankees is done. 9 years $326 million. Being told Godzilla Matsui helped push it over the goal line.

Yoshi keeps the #18 jersey.”
heyman posted after disputing  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 8:14 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
·
20m
Yankees have made a significant bid on Yamamoto, but at this point they haven’t heard, one way or the other
martino update sounds like things are moving toward a conclusion  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 8:28 pm : link
hopefully yoshinobu loves money. and senga.
With Yoshinobu Yamamoto sweepstakes nearing conclusion, Dodgers and Yankees in strong position The Mets had not been told they were not officially out - ( New Window )
So, in the last hour or two  
Shecky : 12/21/2023 9:05 pm : link
We’ve gone from LeBron Yamamoto announcing his decision to go to the Dodgers on TNF.
To its, done he’s a Yankee
To???
RE: So, in the last hour or two  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 9:15 pm : link
In comment 16331368 Shecky said:
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We’ve gone from LeBron Yamamoto announcing his decision to go to the Dodgers on TNF.
To its, done he’s a Yankee
To???


"cant believe a guy who has never thrown an mlb pitch is the highest paid pitcher ever"

(evergreen response from fans of every team that doesnt get him)
guy who broke the glasnow trade said as of a few days ago LAD  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 9:40 pm : link
were drawing the line at 275m and werent going over it. says he thinks its yankees/mets as front runners unless dodgers change their mind and get more aggressive. similar to everyone else thinks resolution soon.
RE: Martino added on with this - though id caution the stalking horse  
moze1021 : 12/21/2023 10:03 pm : link
In comment 16331299 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
scenario would keep the mets in until the end knowing cohen is the best leverage to bid anyone else up.

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
·
3m
Mets still hanging in there with perceived frontrunners Dodgers and Yankees.


Yeah if we ever hear "Mets are out of it" it's because it's over and decided... They would never throw that threat away..

My gut hasn't changed since a month ago..I think the Mets miss on him and don't have any big ticket moves this offseason. Maybe just a middle of rotation starter to fill out the team... Just don't see anything big happening.
we'll see if hector is right but if $ is the end game mets have a shot  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 10:18 pm : link
Héctor Gómez
@hgomez27
Hearing $350M plus.

Quote
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
·
39m
Bidding on Yamamoto is at $300M plus. Yankees, Dodgers and Mets seen as having the best chance and someone named the Phillies as a potential dark horse.
At this point,  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 10:21 pm : link
It feels fait accompli that the Mets missed out and we’ll make some other moves and build the organization another way. I won’t be delusional and say I’m relieved and disappointed but I’ll trust Stearns here.
And then Hector Gomez  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 10:23 pm : link
Tweets and I’m hopeful again - thanks Eric for the update.
another one bites the dust  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 10:33 pm : link
this guy writes for sportsnet canada.

Ben Nicholson-Smith
@bnicholsonsmith
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16m
#BlueJays are not expected to land Yamamoto, with NYY, NYM & LAD seen by some as leaders here

if he wants to win its lad,
if he wants $ you would think it's cohen,
if he wants some combination of those things plus pinstripes then nyy.
LAD  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 11:07 pm : link
Per Jack Curry
RE: LAD  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:09 pm : link
In comment 16331436 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
Per Jack Curry


the extent of the ohtani deferals make this one a little tough to take. i knew they'd go big if they didnt get ohtani, i didnt expect them to get ohtani and all his revenue without having to pay him for 10 years.

that is a scary franchise that will hopefully continue to find ways to suck in the playoffs, but next year yikes. ohtani, yamamoto, miller, glasnow, may...
Heyman  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
Confirming
well of course the 1 piece of info i get sucked for nym  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:12 pm : link
and ended up true. time to pivot.

Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
·
Source confirms: Dodgers close on Yoshinobu Yamamato. First:
@JackCurryYES
, who reported contract will be for more than $300M.
RE: RE: LAD  
GF1080 : 12/21/2023 11:13 pm : link
In comment 16331440 Eric on Li said:
Quote:
In comment 16331436 DanMetroMan said:


Quote:


Per Jack Curry



the extent of the ohtani deferals make this one a little tough to take. i knew they'd go big if they didnt get ohtani, i didnt expect them to get ohtani and all his revenue without having to pay him for 10 years.

that is a scary franchise that will hopefully continue to find ways to suck in the playoffs, but next year yikes. ohtani, yamamoto, miller, glasnow, may...


Ohtani not in rotation next year. Buehler will be back though. Maybe Sheehan unless they pen him.
i bet LAD got him for less than NYM  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:14 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
·
Sources: The Mets offered $325 million to Yamamoto. The Yankees offered $300 MM
will be curious to hear if mets offered it in fewer years  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:19 pm : link
and the LAD just added years to come up and match to get it done. Don't know why Mets wouldnt have added $10m just to give him something to think about.

Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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Japanese star Yoshinobu Yamamoto and the Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement on an 12-year, $325 million contract, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.
The reality is that this was likely the plan from the start  
CooperDash : 12/21/2023 11:19 pm : link
Does anyone really think that Ohtani makes that insane deferral deal if he doesn’t know that his buddy from Japan won’t be joining him? The Dodgers won’t win shit anyway, lol.

All good as long as the Yanks don’t get him. I’m fine with the Mets punting for a year to set themselves up.
Well we can go after  
Drewcon40 : 12/21/2023 11:20 pm : link
Soto next year.
Contract  
GF1080 : 12/21/2023 11:20 pm : link
12 years $325 is the word.
12  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 11:21 pm : link
Years 325 million. Mets offered 325. They probably realized he was never coming. Didn’t blow away the field
Mets  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 11:26 pm : link
Offer was the same as LAD per Puma
RE: 12  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:26 pm : link
In comment 16331469 DanMetroMan said:
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Years 325 million. Mets offered 325. They probably realized he was never coming. Didn’t blow away the field


i mean if they didnt think he was coming the whole pursuit was pretty silly.

here's my guess - they set the price at $325m, LAD matched it, and in the end increasing their offer insignificantly wouldnt have change that.

so it was either offer something ridiculous or let him go, and they let him go. which is defenseable imo only if they do some good things on a pivot. if they were truly all or nothing on him, they should have been more all and made him turn down $350m.
looks like that was a good guess and right on time lol  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:28 pm : link
Will Sammon
@WillSammon
·
36s
Before the Dodgers landed him, the Mets presented Yoshinobu Yamamoto with an offer of $325 million for 12 years, which Los Angeles matched, a league sources told
@TheAthletic
.
@martinonyc
was first on dollars from Mets;
@JeffPassan
first with LA terms.
Yes  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 11:29 pm : link
So they had to blow away the field to have a chance and they opted not to.
Oh well..  
moze1021 : 12/21/2023 11:29 pm : link
Maybe make a big splash next year or at the deadline.

Going in with Senga as the ace isn't ideal but if the Mets hit like they should maybe it will be OK
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 12/21/2023 11:33 pm : link
Offered 10 for 300
RE: Yes  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16331489 DanMetroMan said:
Quote:
So they had to blow away the field to have a chance and they opted not to.


yep. i get not blowing away the field if you have other stuff to spend on (which is what ive been speculating about since the price ascended $100m beyond snell).

if you view him as a cornerstone once in a generation yada yada yada i dont get it. at that point i think you blow away the field.

but i guess we'll see how they pivot now.
I'm not sure there's all that much that the Mets or Yankees could  
LW_Giants : 12/21/2023 11:37 pm : link
have done. It sounds like this was worked out between Yamamoto and Ohtani before free agency. And, if Cohen thought that was the case, can't blame him for not wanting to be used.
Martino says Met offer had an opt out at 5 years  
Eric on Li : 12/21/2023 11:37 pm : link
Rosenthal says LAD gave him a $50m signing bonus (saw that coming) and no deferrals.

If you are giving Yamamoto an opt out at 5 years, I see no reason not to go for Snell on 6 or 7 years with less down the line risk?

obviously that depends on where the price goes, SF and LAA are supposedly in on Snell now too but if you are giving Yamamoto an opt out in 5 years, then if he lives up to the hype it's a 5 year deal and then a lot more after that (or another bidding war).
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