- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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Andy Martino
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Initial expectation is Mets will not pursue high end starting pitching as a pivot from losing Yamamoto.
A year ago today was when we were all shocked with the Correa deal! Crazy
Maybe the season will be the opposite too and Mets will be a good surprise.
A year ago today was when we were all shocked with the Correa deal! Crazy
Maybe the season will be the opposite too and Mets will be a good surprise.
Maybe last years spending spree was a blessing in disguise. Cohen went for it and spent a stupid amount of money only to have an embarrassment of a season. I think that he’ll always have the ability to spend money, but now be a little smarter about it and “build” a team instead of “buy” a team.
A year ago today was when we were all shocked with the Correa deal! Crazy
Maybe the season will be the opposite too and Mets will be a good surprise.
Scherzer was obviously a huge add psychologically in 2022 but bassitt/canha/marte were all pretty key in their own right, especially when scherzer and jdg were both hurt, and obviously didnt cost anything record setting.
Maybe the durability is a big enough concern to avoid snell but durability is a concern with every pitcher. It was certainly a concern with Wheeler when he hit the market and he's since been one of the most durable in MLB.
no risk it no biscuit.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
in the end that turns out a good thing. the price ended up $25m above the highest projection and more than $120m over the median. so in that respect cohen at least made it a tougher pill to swallow that it could have been.
the mets got scherzer in 2022 because the dodgers beat them for bauer in 2021. the yankees just came up short in the bidding because they have soto. money is real for all these teams, at least the ones whose players dont defer all of it.
certainly i dont think any of us last year expected to be sitting here in a year where max/jv/senga/quintana were supposed to be under contract expecting the offseason to be all in on yamamoto on the biggest SP contract in history. things can change fast.
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
If Soto isn't re-signed was this a disastrous offseason for the yanks?
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
Yeah, literally nobody said that. Lol, but if that made up shit makes you feel better, go for it.
I think I’m still getting reports that the Yankees are the front runners for Yamamoto. Good luck! I hope you get him.
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
Yeah, literally nobody said that. Lol, but if that made up shit makes you feel better, go for it.
I think I’m still getting reports that the Yankees are the front runners for Yamamoto. Good luck! I hope you get him.
All we've heard for 2 years, "Cohen's gonna throw Ohtani a big check he can't turn down!"
He didn't even give the Mets the time of day.
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
If Soto isn't re-signed was this a disastrous offseason for the yanks?
They'll be able to keep now that Yama is a Dodger.
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
Yeah, literally nobody said that. Lol, but if that made up shit makes you feel better, go for it.
I think I’m still getting reports that the Yankees are the front runners for Yamamoto. Good luck! I hope you get him.
All we've heard for 2 years, "Cohen's gonna throw Ohtani a big check he can't turn down!"
He didn't even give the Mets the time of day.
Lol, sure you did champ👌
Someone finally realizes that the world doesn’t revolve around the NY Yankees. Tough time but I’m confident you’ll learn from this. But probably not, haha.
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
If Soto isn't re-signed was this a disastrous offseason for the yanks?
They'll be able to keep now that Yama is a Dodger.
Doesn't answer my question
Ohtani was there
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To drive the price up to where he wanted to go all along.
But but but…the pinstripes, the history, the Matsui really pushing, the saved #18 uniform number. Lol
Just like we've hearing for 2 years how the Mets are hot for Ohtani and the Mets are going to get him. B-b-b-but...NO. lol.
Yeah, literally nobody said that. Lol, but if that made up shit makes you feel better, go for it.
I think I’m still getting reports that the Yankees are the front runners for Yamamoto. Good luck! I hope you get him.
All we've heard for 2 years, "Cohen's gonna throw Ohtani a big check he can't turn down!"
He didn't even give the Mets the time of day.
Mets never heavily pursued ohtani. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your bullshit.
Since the owners re-wrote the rule book to penalize Cohen for being so rich, are they now going to penalize the Dodgers for building a super-team on the back of deferring a historic amount of money for Ohtani?
I'm still bullish on this Mets team because of the youth that's already in and approaching the majors. But they definitely need to uncover some pitching studs.
Since the owners re-wrote the rule book to penalize Cohen for being so rich, are they now going to penalize the Dodgers for building a super-team on the back of deferring a historic amount of money for Ohtani?
I'm still bullish on this Mets team because of the youth that's already in and approaching the majors. But they definitely need to uncover some pitching studs.
The owners are hypocritical pieces of mierda. Kudos to the Dodgers for trying to spend and win. I'm not a big fan of massive deferrals being allowed, but that's neither here nor there.
Does anyone have any intel on him or if I even have the name right?
But I don't hate them for this. This is how I'd want and expect MLB teams to act.
I just don't want the Mets to feel pressured into moves now to put a competitive (on paper) team on the field.
If nothing else IMO not landing either Ohtani (who it doesn't sound like they even seriously pursued) or Yamamoto should take pressure off Stearns. Just be deliberate, have a plan and build a sustainable winner (i know, so simple).
The Mets have historically had only short-term success and far between successes, no need to be reactionary now and do it again.
I always was of the opinion that the 88 team was better than the 86 team. I loved Dave Cone and Randy Myers. After watching 'Once upon a time in Queens', losing Knight and Mitchell was more impactful than I thought.
pj - to add to your Dodger-dislike. Darryl Strawberry was the probably the first star to leave a team I root for and he went to the Dodgers. His departure, to me, was the end of that team, although Frank Cashen started the deconstruction with the Lenny Dykstra trade or the Mitchell/McReynolds swap.
Tear it all down and wake us up in 2027.
Someone finally realizes that the world doesn’t revolve around the NY Yankees. Tough time but I’m confident you’ll learn from this. But probably not, haha.
Whatever you say; enjoy finishing under .500 again. You too, speedy, :)
Tear it all down and wake us up in 2027.
I'm just being dramatic, so ignore my post. Bummed to wake up at the news though.
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given his networth, he could've easily tried to make a winning bid. Citi Field is going to be a ghost town this summer. Might as well sell off Diaz, Alonso, Nimmo, etc. since they clearly arent trying to build a contender in their window.
Tear it all down and wake us up in 2027.
I'm just being dramatic, so ignore my post. Bummed to wake up at the news though.
Metnut - coming from another recent drama-king, no worries. I actually feel now a weight off the Mets shoulders. It's going to take awhile to get the Mets brand up and this is just a blip. pjcas, Eric from LI (among others) actually posted some logical thoughts if we (eventually did) miss out on Yamamoto. I love my fellow Jet hater Dave but I'm actually feeling pretty good as I think we are going to work on the depth of this team and make our splash in the coming years.
i havent seen anything indicate that mets were given a chance to increase their bid further, it may have been everyone put in their highest bids blindly and yamamoto just took the high one to the team he most preferred who matched and it was game over.
here's a crazy stat:
@jphoornstra
Highest-paid MLB teammates, ranked by actual contract value:
1. Ohtani/Betts $825,814,765
2. Ohtani/Yamamoto $785,814,765
3t. Betts/Yamamoto $690,000,000
3t. Machado/Tatis $690,000,000
credit to the LAD, they have gone pretty all in and landed the 2 biggest unicorn FAs in a long time. the only hole that can be poked in their offseason is that 2 of the 3 pitchers they've given more than $600m to have had numerous arm issues.
only silver lining to any of this for mets is that i think it clarifies needing to have $700m+ squirreled away for soto and alonso next year.
i think the plan should still be the same and i still think a bigger tactical mistake than missing yamamoto may have been not pursuing soto aggressively - id buy as much quality pitching depth as you can afford (and yes snell or montgomery should be considered, maybe even hader if he were open to it), and keep a place warm in RF for a $500m+ offer on soto next offseason.
Eric on Li : mute : 11/22/2023 1:07 pm : link
with your hypothesis about starting pitchers. I am all for getting the best starting pitching you can, but more and more starting pitching isnt the building block it used to be.
The Rangers won a WS not because they signed JDG or traded for Scherzer, but because they built SP depth that they needed when both those guys got hurt. And more importantly because they aggressively signed Corey Seager (despite the QO) who had a postseason for the ages. 12 rbis and 18 runs scored in 17 games while walking more than K'ing.
the chance to get MVP-level middle order hitters with 5-10 years of prime seasons doesn't come around often. The dodgers got betts and won a WS. Mets got Lindor and he's been key to them spending so much time in first place the prior 2 years. Rangers got Seager. Philly got Harper/JTR/Trea. Atlanta got Olsen. Yelich has similarly helped carry the Brewers over the last half decade.
Soto is younger and an arguably better offensive player than all of them because of the walk/k profile. The only argument against pursuing him aggressively is if you can get Ohtani.
Go for Soto aggressively then sign the best quality pitching depth you can find throughout the entire staff. If yamamoto wants in too great but if it's montgomery/imanaga/lugo/flaherty types that's ok too.
yelich is 32 years old but someone id seriously consider, especially if it means you can move marte's contract. he is still an excellent hitter with elite bat speed. still a plus defender. the type of player who should age well. luxury tax salary is just under 24m per year for 5 more years, 3 of which he will be younger than marte is today so worst case scenario you find yourself in 3 years in the same position with yelich as you are with marte today, just delayed.
w/ Soto he will obviously be looking to break the highest total value record and probably be first to cross the $500m threshold. with burnes a good year and he may be looking to break the yamamoto deal.
but this year there is a lot of talent still on the board that he represents and stearns getting some reps in getting deals done with him is probably a good idea for future relations.
Boras’ free agents are not without warts, but in a market thin on talent, he is well-positioned to exploit some of the Ohtani and/or Yamamoto losers, most notably the Giants and Red Sox. The Giants already have signed one of his clients, outfielder Jung Hoo Lee, to a six-year, $113 million deal that many in the industry considered an overpay.
Boras’ remaining free agents also include designated hitter J.D. Martinez, righty Frankie Montas and lefties Hyun-Jin Ryu, Sean Manaea and James Paxton.
Rosenthal: Thoughts on Yoshinobu Yamamoto’s Dodgers deal and where the market goes now - ( New Window )
DOWN WITH SHECKY ;)
The source added the Mets may not have gone much higher anyway given the posting fee that pushed the total outlay to about $375 million.
Following a report that Yamamoto – who was also heavily pursued by the Yankees, Giants, Red Sox and Phillies, among others – grew up rooting for the Dodgers, Cohen joked he was going to scour Japan for players that are Mets fans.
“We’re going to be thoughtful and not impulsive and thinking about sustainability over the intermediate long-term, but not focused on winning the headlines over the next week,” Cohen said. “I think there’s a couple of ways to build a team.”
The 25-year-old Yamamoto was the team’s white whale, but Cohen said he’s undeterred in retooling the Mets.
“Last I looked, there’s never one player that is going to make or break your team,” Cohen said. “We’ll build it. It will happen. Slowly and surely you will see changes and improvements. We have got the right management in place with a shared vision.”
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DOWN WITH SHECKY ;)
Kinda weird victory lap on Lee when he got WAY more money than anybody anticipated.
They also love Scott
"I'd personally be stunned if they trade Alonso this off-season. Teams have called, zero traction"
"Michael A. Taylor is looking for a starting job and multiple years. The Mets were open to giving him a semi-regular role, were less open to multiple seasons"
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Someone finally realizes that the world doesn’t revolve around the NY Yankees. Tough time but I’m confident you’ll learn from this. But probably not, haha.
Whatever you say; enjoy finishing under .500 again. You too, speedy, :)
We'll see. You're probably right. But once AGAIN you show yourself to be an little insecure pussy yankee fan who feels the need to come onto a Mets thread and talk shit. Sounds like someone has nothing better to do....
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I skipped Christian Scott because I haven’t had coffee yet. If you want to point to Mets pitching dev going in the right direction they took a Day 2 SEC reliever, fixed his fastball shape, bumped his command, got him an above-average change and now he’s a potential third starter
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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I’ve come around on Williams over Gilbert (have been worn down by Jarrett), but I do think Gilbert’s overall line is knocked down by playing through an injury midseason and I’m not convinced Jett is an out and out better hitter given his extreme passivity.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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Gilbert is the much more stable offensive and defensive profile, Jett clearly has more upside. They will be within ten spots of each other on the 101.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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Jeremy Rodriguez is likely going to be the highest ranked IFA from the 2023 class on our list. He’s Marco Vargas from last year with more defense and power potential.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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Houck was not very good after the draft. I don’t know how much any of us should care about that, but it was not very good in specifically concerning ways. Mike Vasil made some nice consolidation games this season, but I don’t know if he has a true out pitch.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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9m
Blade Tidwell would have been a 101 guy ten years ago but we know more about fastballs now. Kevin Parada was a 101 guy last year but his swing is a mess and while defensive reports were better later in the year he’s not a sure thing at catcher at all.
Jeffrey Paternostro
@jeffpaternostro
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9m
I like Jacob Reimer but he didn’t hit the ball as hard as you’d think and he’s a first baseman. I cannot believe I had to rank Jose Butto. And now we get to the part of the list where I say the system is still shallow but they could have some 2023 draft breakouts next year
does not believe
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will chase Snell/Montgomery or Imanaga
Nope. While it’s possible Cohen grows restless and orders a pursuit of one of the next-best starters on the open market, that doesn’t appear to be New York’s plan. (And Cohen hardly sounded restless Friday in a New York Post interview, saying, “We’re going to be thoughtful and not impulsive and thinking about sustainability over the intermediate long-term, but not focused on winning the headlines over the next week.”)
For those reasons, you can probably count out courtships of Snell, Montgomery and even Shōta Imanaga, three pitchers on the wrong side of 30 who can seek long-term contracts of five years or more. If the market for one of those two pitchers craters, things could change, but a marketplace that just engineered more than $1 billion in contracts for Ohtani and Yamamoto probably won’t be sinking anytime soon.
for 2024 they have 2/5 (or 6) spots open right now.
for 2025 they have 4/5 (or 6) spots open right now.
for 2026 they have 5/5 (or 6) spots open right now.
in the next 3 seasons they need to acquire 11 years worth of SP. an injury to senga, of which they were afraid enough that they put protections in his contract for tjs, could knock out the better part of the 1 player under contract for 2024/2025.
Signing all 1-2 year deals is going to make it a bit of an endeavor to fill all 11 spots.
Out of Snell, Montgomery, Giolito, Imanaga I think they would be stupid to not go multi-year on at least 1 guy to fill 3/11 open spots for the next 3 seasons.
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