- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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First choice if LAD didn’t get involved, aka his second choice
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
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1 he wanted to go to LAD more than NYM
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
welcome back rich hope you had a great xmas, can you remind me again why the yankees refused to match what you called "a lesser offer"? if it was truly lesser, how would that have hurt them in any way?
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1 he wanted to go to LAD more than NYM
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
Ya know what’s unsettling and weird is that this thread is buried in the forum as it was started back in early Dec. Yet you were determined to seek it out looking for internet conflict with one of the most veteran rational unbiased posters on BBI. Also internet conflict is faceless and spineless
Kinda really weird dude. Maybe sit this one out ?
So you really had to search….
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1 he wanted to go to LAD more than NYM
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
Ya know what’s unsettling and weird is that this thread is buried in the forum as it was started back in early Dec. Yet you were determined to seek it out looking for internet conflict with one of the most veteran rational unbiased posters on BBI. Also internet conflict is faceless and spineless
Kinda really weird dude. Maybe sit this one out ?
You don't sort by 'last post'?
Makes the site much more convenient imo.
As for the Yankees fan... some people have nothing better to do
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1 he wanted to go to LAD more than NYM
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
Ya know what’s unsettling and weird is that this thread is buried in the forum as it was started back in early Dec. Yet you were determined to seek it out looking for internet conflict with one of the most veteran rational unbiased posters on BBI. Also internet conflict is faceless and spineless
Kinda really weird dude. Maybe sit this one out ?
Maybe if you actually looked at the latest posts, you would see people pst omn this thread everyday, so no- I am not “seeking out internet conflict” by “digging” for old posts.
Makes you look clueless.
Maybe if you actually looked at the latest posts, you would see people pst omn this thread everyday, so no- I am not “seeking out internet conflict” by “digging” for old posts.
While you are right, it's still really weird for you (as a Yankee fan) to not only be posting on a thread that is clearly marked as a Mets thread, but then picking fights on top of that...
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According to
@Enrique_Rojas1
, the Red Sox are evaluating Yariel Rodriguez as a starter.
WBC must’ve impressed them. Blue Jays and Pirates are also in that camp.
Stuff was electric, but command was iffy. Working with Andrew Bailey would be interesting.
So you really had to search….
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It always surprises me how obsessed Yankee fans tend to be with the Mets. Never understood it.
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In comment 16337191 Eric on Li said:
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1 he wanted to go to LAD more than NYM
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
Ya know what’s unsettling and weird is that this thread is buried in the forum as it was started back in early Dec. Yet you were determined to seek it out looking for internet conflict with one of the most veteran rational unbiased posters on BBI. Also internet conflict is faceless and spineless
Kinda really weird dude. Maybe sit this one out ?
Maybe if you actually looked at the latest posts, you would see people pst omn this thread everyday, so no- I am not “seeking out internet conflict” by “digging” for old posts.
Makes you look clueless.
wait, I'm clueless because I dont sort my posts? lol what?
you're right though, you def are not seeking out internet conflict, not one bit....
so anyways this is a Mets thread...
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According to
@Enrique_Rojas1
, the Red Sox are evaluating Yariel Rodriguez as a starter.
WBC must’ve impressed them. Blue Jays and Pirates are also in that camp.
Stuff was electric, but command was iffy. Working with Andrew Bailey would be interesting.
agree in the sense that it's disappointing they havent seen more targets that get them excited (whether rodriguez or other). they seem to be value shopping which is i guess a reasonable way to shop (the houser trade was great) but id prefer they see more guys they feel conviction on and target in a year that had (has) a lot of pitching.
the projections mostly have snell/montgomery/imanaga/giolito similar so i can understand wanting the guys who are younger and cost less. but they have so many openings across the full staff they should be able to do both at different price points.
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1 he wanted to go to LAD more than NYM
2 even though he clearly preferred LAD by a wide margin, they still had to match the NYM $ in total (probably bc of his former team/posting process)
the rest is speculation or spin. if there was 1 team who ended up top $ by any sort of meaningful margin i think he was going to whoever that 1 team was. i think it would have cost at least another $50m to get LAD to walk away though. who knows maybe more.
1 thing people are forgetting about LAD is that to have the room they had for $1bn of ohtani/yamamoto they had to let 1bn walk out the door with Seager, Turner, Scherzer the last few years. Not to mention Jansen, Urias likely gone, Bellinger. They saved up for this moment and then got an extra $440m+ to spend this decade thanks to Ohtani's decision to defer.
Give up. The only one speculating is you. You and I went back and forth on this for days because you cannot admit you were wrong.
The facts are in- your wild speculation was completely without merit or fact. Stop trying to spin this into some sort of vindication for yourself. If anything, I should be taking a victory lap.
Ya know what’s unsettling and weird is that this thread is buried in the forum as it was started back in early Dec. Yet you were determined to seek it out looking for internet conflict with one of the most veteran rational unbiased posters on BBI. Also internet conflict is faceless and spineless
Kinda really weird dude. Maybe sit this one out ?
Maybe if you actually looked at the latest posts, you would see people pst omn this thread everyday, so no- I am not “seeking out internet conflict” by “digging” for old posts.
Makes you look clueless.
wait, I'm clueless because I dont sort my posts? lol what?
you're right though, you def are not seeking out internet conflict, not one bit....
so anyways this is a Mets thread...
Pretty appropriate in this instance that the nickname for Richard is Dick
I know the two big dominoes had to fall and then there wasn't a ton of huge names, but man the Mets needed to fill a lot of holes in that pitching staff (plus a few in the field) and I don't see it.
I know I have seemed pessimistic all off-season but to me the inflection point kind of hinged on Yamamoto. a 25-year old on his prime likely TOR pitcher for the next decade. If you could get him it changed everything, if not, it changed everything - just opposite ways.
Now, I feel like almost any approach to build a roster with FA's will be a duct tape and band-aid patchwork - spending for the sake of spending.
I know there is a need to compete, but IMO - no long-terms deals to players who don't deserve them. Sure sign a Giolito to a year with an option b/c you need to field a team but I'd look long and hard at this roster if I was Stearns and think about what parts are salvageable and what can be sold off and rebuild methodically not reactionarily (if that's a word)
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Dodgers are among the teams still monitoring OF Teoscar Hernández market, per sources.
They are not favorites to sign Hernandez but they can surprise.
i think this is going to happen.
JDM would likely mean your guy Vientos being sent packing or sent down
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With a ridiculous 17% barrel% - both 98th percentile. His career avg was 91 mph so that’s a jump that probably leads to drug tests.
JDM would likely mean your guy Vientos being sent packing or sent down
probably. possible they let him and baty compete for 3b with loser going down. if jdm hits like he did last year not even i would complain about that.
Also, they’re showing interest in Blake Snell alongside the Angels, Giants, Phillies, and others.
LOL, isn't that just a little bit dramatic?
This roster still has one of the best closers in the game, one of the top SS's in the game, one of the top 1B/power hitters in the entire game, one of the top young catchers to come around in a long time.
Senga is a lot of fun, Nimmo is up there, mcNeil is quirky but fun to watch. Young talent in Vientos/Baty and more on the cusp.
WS front runners, of course not. But to say they are punting and to give up before the New year? Enjoy the talent we do have - it's been much, much worse in the not so distant past.
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winning team on the field. I’ve never been less interested in an upcoming season, and this is coming from someone most people consider a diehard Mets fan. I’ve lost interest.
LOL, isn't that just a little bit dramatic?
This roster still has one of the best closers in the game, one of the top SS's in the game, one of the top 1B/power hitters in the entire game, one of the top young catchers to come around in a long time.
Senga is a lot of fun, Nimmo is up there, mcNeil is quirky but fun to watch. Young talent in Vientos/Baty and more on the cusp.
WS front runners, of course not. But to say they are punting and to give up before the New year? Enjoy the talent we do have - it's been much, much worse in the not so distant past.
This roster is old, boring, tired and stale. If you want, you can manipulate yourself into thinking this can be a fun team to watch that can win something that matters. Spoiler alert: it won’t be.
This team is going to suck. It’ll be another wasted season in Metsville.
I'm not saying punt the season or winning is impossible, but the gap in the division between the Mets and Braves and even Phillies is wide. I'm not even sure with everything you mentioned the Mets would be reasonably expected to finish ahead of the Marlins.
The gap with the Dodgers is wider, probably a wide gap still with SD too.
The Mets need to find a way to build a sustained winner.
Signing Giolito or JDM is not going to move the needle much but it also relatively harmless as short-term deals.
I'd be much more interested in finding creative ways to get young or young-ish productive players to add to the core and consider the long game.
If it means trading Alonso I said many times it should be on the table. I wouldn't trade him for sunflower seeds, but if I found the team who felt they were a righty power hitter away from contending and willing to pay a premium for him and it made the Mets better long-term I wouldn't think twice.
I know as fans we (me) tend to be impatient, but I am patient if I believe there is a plan. I get impatient when I see reactionary moves or seemingly rudderless floating. And a league leading payroll (or close).
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winning team on the field. I’ve never been less interested in an upcoming season, and this is coming from someone most people consider a diehard Mets fan. I’ve lost interest.
LOL, isn't that just a little bit dramatic?
This roster still has one of the best closers in the game, one of the top SS's in the game, one of the top 1B/power hitters in the entire game, one of the top young catchers to come around in a long time.
Senga is a lot of fun, Nimmo is up there, mcNeil is quirky but fun to watch. Young talent in Vientos/Baty and more on the cusp.
WS front runners, of course not. But to say they are punting and to give up before the New year? Enjoy the talent we do have - it's been much, much worse in the not so distant past.
takes on this year's team are all colored by their own comments throwing cold water, but put me in the category of agreeing that prime aged years of senga, lindor, nimmo, alonso, diaz shouldn't be overlooked/wasted like so many jdg/wright years were.
i do think stearns will eventually open up the check book to buy quality depth enough to give that group a chance to compete just seemingly in a much more disciplined way than mehppler would have. but for all his faults mehppler did win offseaons. he just blew player development and the occasional trade deadline.
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I know people (same industry) who were accused (some falsely), punished, and unable to continue their careers. Btw, they didn't make $77m. Do you know how they handle it? They wear it, don't publicly complain, and quietly work on themselves personally and professionally.🤷♂️
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If your were still a GM, given he wasn't charged, would you sign him?
Zack Scott
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I never want to impact a player's market so I only talk about the past markets. I was acting GM of the Mets when we almost signed him. I wanted nothing to do with him but others above me did. I don't say that to toss them under the bus because the talent was obviously there.
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i assume scott is saying what he is more for whatever the reasons were that he didnt want to sign bauer when he was acting gm and before this particular situation came out.
that was the piece that seemed newsworthy on the mets side, that he was opposed to bauer but got overruled.
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BREAKING: Right-hander Lucas Giolito and the Boston Red Sox are in agreement on a two-year, $38.5 million contract that includes an opt-out after the first season, sources tell ESPN.
Boston lands its first big signing of the winter. The question now is: Will there be more?
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Lucas Giolito is a solid signing for Boston — lots of innings and strikeouts. But he also got upward of $20 million a season coming off back-to-back years with ERAs of 4.90 and 4.88, and he allowed 41 homers this season. Opt-out lets him parlay a good year into free agency at 30.
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Mets had interest here.
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Giolito’s deal with Boston gives him an $18M salary in 2024 and a $1M buyout if he opts out. If not, the salary for 2025 is $19M. There is a conditional option for 2026 — $14M club option if he throws under 140 innings in 2025, $19M mutual option for 140+, with a $1.5M buyout.
no issue if they are aiming higher for montgomery, snell, imanaga, but if not this could end up looking like every bit the steal bassitt ended up.
Just curious, how old are you?
the floor on the mid-rotation SP market is 19m multi-year.
e-rod got 20m x 4 years.
montgomery has been projected around 24-25m for 5 years. which seems in line with how things have fallen.
snell has been projected around 29m with an extra 6th year.
imanaga has been rumored to have 5 year deals around $100m.
that is basically the entire remaining multi-year SP market projected to get more than Severino.
Yes, YY was never coming to a NY team. But there are other options to build the staff beyond even “punting” for a year. Did Cohen get spooked by the cost of failing last season? Probably not. Is Stearns slow rolling things? This is still a team that has a lot of win-now talent. It almost seems like they don’t want to build around this core. But the lack of urgency is disappointing.
Yes, YY was never coming to a NY team. But there are other options to build the staff beyond even “punting” for a year. Did Cohen get spooked by the cost of failing last season? Probably not. Is Stearns slow rolling things? This is still a team that has a lot of win-now talent. It almost seems like they don’t want to build around this core. But the lack of urgency is disappointing.
This to me is why a hard reset would've been my preference after missing out on Yamamoto. If you trade Alonso, McNeil, and Marte, you can get under the lux tax threshold. Add some good young talent and let the kids play, then be aggressive in 2025. Not a popular opinion, I know. And yeah, you're not going to get much for Marte but some salary relief which would be the goal with moving him.
mcneil may or may not be movable but you arent getting much for him.
alonso can bring back something but it wont be nearly what anyone thinks.
and even if you moved all 3 of them right now with a magic wand without taking back another penny you are still not reseting the luxury tax.
if giolito ends up having been too expensive for the mets at that price then i scratch my head at what seems like a wasted offseason. his $ is right at the projections, as most deals have been, probably even a little under all factors considered. joe demayo posted this yesterday and i really hope we arent wasting a season learning this lesson the hard way.
but that aside that clue to the structure of the yamamoto offer from mets gives us some insight to their thinking. with a 5 year opt out the mets had to be planning this as basically a 5 year deal. if he pitches anywhere close to as expected he was/is going to opt out and the final 7 years were just risk if he pitched below expectations.
looking at it as a 5 year deal:
$50m posting fee
+$27m aav* 5 years
=$185m ($37m true aav)
is giolito for 1-2 years at half that AAV and less total $ than just the posting fee really not a good deal worth doing? he is 29 years old and has received CY votes in 3 different seasons.
i get it if they like someone more recently productive more (montgomery, snell) but a yamamoto or bust offseason to the extent that a player like gilito they liked enough to talk to was too expensive is not a team leveraging cohen's resources to it's full advantage.
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