- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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Get a life Rich in DC.
Just curious, how old are you?
I thought it wasn't polite to ask people their age.
In full disclosure, I was listening to a Mets podcast and Manny Machado's name was mentioned. If San Diego wanted to dump salary. There wasn't any rumor or evidence of Machado being moved at the moment. San Diego is likely looking to shed salary but they still need to field an MLB roster. If they were, what would a Machado and Darvish trade look like if we were to assume the salary. Or Machado and Hot Sauce Ears Musgrove (since Buck is gone).?
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Get a life Rich in DC.
Just curious, how old are you?
I thought it wasn't polite to ask people their age.
I thought that only applied to females. My apologies.
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Besides Hader and Robertson West else are we looking at for pen? This could be the easiest way to improve the team on the fly.
Robert Stephenson
Hicks and Suter 2 others.
i like will carrolls 1k innings guideline for starters, that's where the roster is scary at the moment.
let's say optimistically there's 180 senga/quintana for 360.
now you have 640 to fill with:
severino (90 innings last year)
houser (111 innings last year)
megill (126 innings last year)
luchesi (120 innings between aaa/mlb last year)
they are at least 200 innings short even if they get good health. and the last time they got good health was...
giolito was a very affordable 180.
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Breaking: Frankie Montas goes to Reds
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Montas deal is expected to be in the $15M-$16M range with Reds
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In comment 16338696 Optimus-NY said:
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Get a life Rich in DC.
Just curious, how old are you?
I thought it wasn't polite to ask people their age.
I thought that only applied to females. My apologies.
Yankee threads are dead - so they are clearly bored. They’ve gone from obsessively lurking Mets threads to wanting to desperately wanting to participate in something.
Yankee fans always bring the lulz.
if giolito was too expensive for them at 19m,
then montas was certainly too expensive at 16m.
freaking wacha got 2x16m. yes, that guy.
a flier on 1-2 of lauer, ryu, manaea etc like severino is fine. 3 of them in the rotation a yikes.
boras so id imagine somewhere similar in the montas range (also boras).
both projected around 2 wins next year, montas coming off injury so manaea maybe even more than montas.
the market for these types is now pretty set so if the mets like 1 of them it should be pretty easy to pounce. would think most of the remaining guys in that tier are 1 years instead of multi-years like maeda/lugo/etc.
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BREAKING: The Atlanta Braves are acquiring seven-time All-Star Chris Sale in a trade with the Boston Red Sox, sources tell ESPN. Well-regarded infield prospect Vaughn Grissom is the return to Boston, which will send money with Sale, who waived his no-trade clause to join Atlanta
it makes sense to unload the parts that are unloadable while they are unloadable.
I applaud this move for Boston. As a Mets fan I wish it wasn't the Braves who were the beneficiary of the salary dump because when he's healthy Sale is legit, fortunately it's not often.
I think the Mets should be doing the same right now (unloading unloadable parts).
I just don't see the Mets competing with the Braves, Phillies, Dodgers, even SD in the NL.
Hate to seem defeatist in December, lol, when the past few years it has been the exact opposite, but at this point anything will seem half-assed and reactionary. Players who were not the first choice, probably don't want to be here, but will take the money if it's the most offered.
mcneil may or may not be movable but you arent getting much for him.
alonso can bring back something but it wont be nearly what anyone thinks.
and even if you moved all 3 of them right now with a magic wand without taking back another penny you are still not reseting the luxury tax.
if giolito ends up having been too expensive for the mets at that price then i scratch my head at what seems like a wasted offseason. his $ is right at the projections, as most deals have been, probably even a little under all factors considered. joe demayo posted this yesterday and i really hope we arent wasting a season learning this lesson the hard way.
I'm not sure why not given the analytics posted about Marte's swing speed. He has power, is a plus defender, and good base runner.
And you keep saying that there's no way they'd be under the luxury tax no matter what. I'm not sure why you keep doing this. If they made it a priority, they could do it. If they really wanted to make it happen, they could.
I'm just expressing my opinion on what I think would be the best path forward, not saying you have to agree, but at the same time, the pouring cold water on an idea as if it's an impossibility is tiresome. I already know it's not what they're actually going to do. I think it's what they should do, because I believe the team needs a full reset and rebuild. That's all I'm saying.
Others are playing Mumbley Peg with Mr Magoo.
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the only wait to move marte is for someone else's dead weight. and probably only if someone else's dead weight exceeds his dead weight. he is the new mcann unless/until he starts playing like an all star again.
mcneil may or may not be movable but you arent getting much for him.
alonso can bring back something but it wont be nearly what anyone thinks.
and even if you moved all 3 of them right now with a magic wand without taking back another penny you are still not reseting the luxury tax.
if giolito ends up having been too expensive for the mets at that price then i scratch my head at what seems like a wasted offseason. his $ is right at the projections, as most deals have been, probably even a little under all factors considered. joe demayo posted this yesterday and i really hope we arent wasting a season learning this lesson the hard way.
I'm not sure why not given the analytics posted about Marte's swing speed. He has power, is a plus defender, and good base runner.
And you keep saying that there's no way they'd be under the luxury tax no matter what. I'm not sure why you keep doing this. If they made it a priority, they could do it. If they really wanted to make it happen, they could.
I'm just expressing my opinion on what I think would be the best path forward, not saying you have to agree, but at the same time, the pouring cold water on an idea as if it's an impossibility is tiresome. I already know it's not what they're actually going to do. I think it's what they should do, because I believe the team needs a full reset and rebuild. That's all I'm saying.
Is a plus defender? he was terrible last year. Like literally cost them games. Just bc his bat speed hasn’t fallen off as much as his sprint speed or as much as one may have expected given his awful season, it was still an awful season and he has $40m left.
The Mets cbt payroll right now is somewhere around $290m. The threshold is $237m. To make it through a season and fill the roster they would need to clear 70m. Marte $19.5m, McNeil 12.5, Alonso projected at 21m not getting them under isn’t an opinion it’s math. When they kick in $ like they did with scherzer and jv and McCann that still counts. Which is why those guys count about $50m against Mets payroll still.
-7 DRS, -6 OAA (10th percentile) over 86 games. Don’t have to be a math major to see that’s a pace of nearly negative 15 runs saved over a full season. His dWAR was -1.0 aka his glove was worth negative 1 wins over a half of a season, finally his sprint speed has declined each every season since 2019. 2019 29.0 FPS (92nd percentile) 2022 28.0 fps 68th and 2023 27.1, 44th percentile
Relatively low risk for the Braves. 1 year deal million with an option if he pitches well. Unless Grissom blossoms into a star, hard to see a scenario where the Braves regret making the trade. Makes sense for Boston too, a potential starting 2b for an old Sale.
Pjcas - you actually were very helpful in talking me off the ledge a few weeks ago. I’m surprised at your recent post. I understand catching the Braves might be a little unrealistic but after speaking to you in this forum, I feel like the Mets are a bit underrated now and possibly steal a wildcard spot . They do need some arms in that rotation, but based on my first paragraph, they are having some trouble.
Pjcas - you actually were very helpful in talking me off the ledge a few weeks ago. I’m surprised at your recent post. I understand catching the Braves might be a little unrealistic but after speaking to you in this forum, I feel like the Mets are a bit underrated now and possibly steal a wildcard spot . They do need some arms in that rotation, but based on my first paragraph, they are having some trouble.
I don't think the Mets have had any specific "trouble" signing FA's this off-season. They were reportedly unwilling to match or outbid Boston on Giolito, Ohtani was never coming here, Yamamoto wanted LAD. I've yet to see a circumstance where a realistic target opted for similar money somewhere else. All of that being said, if a player is signing a 1-year deal and the money is "the same", players are usually going to prefer a contending team, both because duh, they want to win but also because it's less likely they are traded in-season.
Desperation move when supply/demand were against them.
Now is the time to be making moves even if you end up selling later. More to sell.
Excuse me... 8.55 million to add Trevor Gott for half a season...goodness lol. I'm not one of the weirdos comparing Cohen to Wilpon, but I can't imagine he loved forking over 8.55 million for a few months of Trevor Gott in a lost season...
No you read it right. but I don't think you should be on a ledge. Stearns has been in the job for barely a couple months and for the league's highest payroll he was left a dumpster fire.
my sense is I'm not young but I'm not 100 years old either I'd like to give Stearns a chance to build the team he wants not the one he's forced to build due to circumstances.
I do believe the Mets won't "do nothing" they won't go into the season with Senga, Quintana, Severino, Peterson, and Butto/Megill as the rotation and I think they will add some BP pieces, but my hope at this point is to just make smart moves that allow maximum flexibility, so when there is a match with a Yamamoto and the Mets they can strike and you know Cohen won't be shy about paying for the talent that wants to be here.
So, I'm not saying punt this year, but I am saying if the Mets don't make a big splash I'm cool with it as long as they have a long-term plan and aren't just reacting.
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I don’t really know what the Red Sox are doing here, trading out a club option for Sale for a player option on Giolito at the same cost basically moves you from no risk potential steal to high risk with no upside for your 2025 rotation
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Maybe Grissom hits enough to make it worthwhile but he’s got an oddball offensive profile and Atlanta, who might be the best self-scouting team in the league, very obviously did not trust him to play on the dirt
of course. would just suck to miss an opportunity. signing david robertson the last 2 seasons didnt end well for the teams that signed him...but they got ben brown and marco vargas.
eduardo escobar was a bust but he ended up bring back what got them taylor/houser.
pham got them jeremy rodriguez (soon to be j-rod?).
quintana probably would have gotten them something good last year too.
i expect there is still buying they will do and this is mostly just impatience but we know cohen is willing to spend. he was willing to make the biggest $ commitment to any P ever less than 10 days ago so i think what they dont spend is a choice. miss 100% of the shots you dont take.
Jarrett Seidler
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I don’t really know what the Red Sox are doing here, trading out a club option for Sale for a player option on Giolito at the same cost basically moves you from no risk potential steal to high risk with no upside for your 2025 rotation
Jarrett Seidler
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Maybe Grissom hits enough to make it worthwhile but he’s got an oddball offensive profile and Atlanta, who might be the best self-scouting team in the league, very obviously did not trust him to play on the dirt
hes forgotten more about grissom than ive ever known but there's a difference between not trusting a 22 year old to play for a ws favorite (as opposed to a team in transition like red sox). if mets were a contender id be a lot more reluctant about penciling in baty at 3b than a team in mets situation (thats why they kept giving escobar chances to not suck).
This move clears Grissom from being blocked. With Austin Riley, Arcia and Ozzie Albies established in the Braves infield, Grissom’s most likely role in Atlanta was going to be as a backup or part-time left fielder sharing time with Jarred Kelenic. Now he has a shot to be an everyday regular in Boston.
Defensively, Grissom has always been stretched at shortstop, which was his primary position in 2022 and 2023. His modest range is less of an issue at second base, which is where the Red Sox have a need now that Trevor Story has returned from Tommy John surgery.
Grissom's upside is likely a solid regular, bat forward starting 2b, "floor" (floor is obviously relative, as his floor is non-big leaguer) but he may end up a tweener/utility type as well
but for a team in transition with open positions 6 years of control is worth it. he's 22 and hit .287 over 60ish games with a 107 rc. his profile is reminiscent of rosario, just less toolsy.
"In Grissom, the Red Sox get a potential solution to their hole at second base for 2023, although he comes with some question marks as well. Grissom’s debut in 2022 was outstanding, especially given how little experience he had in the minors, but he struggled in a brief opportunity as Atlanta’s shortstop in April and May last year and was optioned to Triple A on May 9 when Arcia came off the injured list. He spent nearly the remainder of 2023 in the minors, posting a .330/.419/.501 line for Triple-A Gwinnett with a high line-drive rate that bodes well for his ability to keep his average up in the majors. He’s overly aggressive at the plate, chasing pitches out of the zone at a 34.6 percent rate in the majors, per Baseball Savant (the MLB average in that time is 28.5 percent), and was around 33 percent in the minors last year as well.
He has also had a ton of trouble with changeups, with consistently poor results at both levels last year; even when he did make contact on changeups, he didn’t do much with them. On defense, he has struggled at shortstop and projects to be average to a tick above at second base, although I could see him improving at the keystone once he plays there consistently. Red Sox president Craig Breslow said they see Grissom as the team’s everyday second baseman in 2024, and I could see a 1.5-2 WAR season from him (Grissom, not Breslow) … but I see some wide error bars around any projection given his issues with ball, strike and changeup recognition."
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exactly and both teams can afford the risks. braves arent paying sale much and he's their 4/5. so all upside. boston gets 6 years of control on a lotto ticket that fits the timeline of a lot of their young cost controlled players. in some ways this was a version of their scherzer trade.
it has been clear since deadline mets would spend to the level they did last year but whats kind of remarkable is how low they are relative to last. only the pads have seen more money cut and that was less by choice than necessity.
alonso's arb estimate is in the cash number but yamamoto's cash is not in lad yet bc the salaries havent been reported. we know of at least $100m cash in signing bonus/posting fee, so the year 1 salary would add to that. but even with ohtani at just $2m cash they are spending already a lot more this year than last.
it is obviously not a given all teams wont change their spending year over year but more are going to be consistent than those with massive swings like SD so i think this chart will end up pretty relevant in terms of fitting the remaining top FAs with landing spots.
Snell to SFG makes a lot of sense for both sides and the $ is there.
maybe hopium pissing into wind given rumors but Montgomery or Imanaga to NYM still seem like too obvious a fit.
BOS another landing spot for either one backfilling sale for a player 4 years younger.
think hader to LAD or NYY would be a great "1 last big piece" but heard LAD is more in market for rh bat (teoscar?) so ill guess NYY for hader. think heyman said that was a possible no yamamoto plan B.
Bellinger seems to be running out of landing spots so i'll guess he goes back to CHC.
Chapman similarly probably goes back to TOR.
$300m cash for mets (which would include the $50m they are retaining with jv/ms/mccann) seems like a good over/under given the number of needs to still left to fill. $20m on a multi-year SP, $10-15m on a couple of 1 year relievers (suter/robertson?), and $15-20m on some veteran every day players like turner/jdm/urshela/taylor would seem like a reasonable "transition" year while remaining competitive.
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According to a baseball source, the Red Sox have told at least one free agent target that they need to shed more payroll before pursuing him as aggressively as they want to.