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NFT: Mets Thread - Happy Winter Meetings To All!!!

Shecky : 12/4/2023 10:28 am
- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.

Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.

Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.

Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:

Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.

Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.

Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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RE: RE: Lottery  
GF1080 : 12/5/2023 5:28 pm : link
In comment 16314370 Eric on Li said:
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10 minutes away



have they televised before? just curious if it's like a 15 minute lottery or excessively drawn out.


They televised last year but don't remember if it was dragged out.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:38 pm : link
get it over with, tell us about our sweet #18 pick
live  
JayBinQueens : 12/5/2023 5:43 pm : link
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Link - ( New Window )
Mets  
JayBinQueens : 12/5/2023 5:44 pm : link
keep their pick.

we did it!!!!!!  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 5:44 pm : link
mets in top 6!!!!!
is  
JayBinQueens : 12/5/2023 5:45 pm : link
there a strong top 2-3 players in the draft?

I know nothing about draft prospects
Yankees  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:45 pm : link
will win the lottery and get Soto and Yamamoto
RE: is  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:46 pm : link
In comment 16314390 JayBinQueens said:
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there a strong top 2-3 players in the draft?

I know nothing about draft prospects


Weak at the top of the draft. No clear 1/1 this year
we'll see how high they go but the mets just gained at least $2.1m  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 5:48 pm : link
of $ for draft pool. which is the equivalent value of the 42nd pick in the draft.

(ignore the teams this is last year's slot values, which will go up by the delta's should remain the same)


were they to sign Snell, they just recouped most of that penalty.
Wow  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:48 pm : link
the Mets are actually picking 19th?
holy crap they are top 2  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 5:49 pm : link
lol mlb is rewriting lotto rules as we speak.
RE: we'll see how high they go but the mets just gained at least $2.1m  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16314394 Eric on Li said:
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of $ for draft pool. which is the equivalent value of the 42nd pick in the draft.

(ignore the teams this is last year's slot values, which will go up by the delta's should remain the same)


were they to sign Snell, they just recouped most of that penalty.


Nope. They are picking 19th.
RE: Wow  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16314395 DanMetroMan said:
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the Mets are actually picking 19th?


wait what? did they make a mistake?
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:50 pm : link
I clearly  
JayBinQueens : 12/5/2023 5:51 pm : link
don't understand how this works
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 5:51 pm : link
Tim Britton
@TimBritton
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Once the first three teams announced were postseason teams, it meant the Mets, Padres and Yankees had all dropped 10 spots.
so the broadcast started 1 pick ahead of where mets had fallen?  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 5:53 pm : link
but never announced it and only showed it in a graphic that after they had already gotten to the top 6?

guess they dont need to re-write any new cohen rules.

RE: I clearly  
KDavies : 12/5/2023 5:59 pm : link
In comment 16314400 JayBinQueens said:
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don't understand how this works


You aren't the only one. I was so pumped thinking they had a top-2 pick
well that sucks pick #19 slot should be around 3.9m  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 5:59 pm : link
and i think that means with 9th pick in other rounds 2nd round pick will be worth around 1.8m.

so i think a QO free agent will cost them:

rd 2 1.8m (last year r2p9 was pick #48)
rd 5 430k (last year r5p9 was pick #140)
+1m IFA

so a $3.2m penalty.
RE: RE: I clearly  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 6:00 pm : link
In comment 16314407 KDavies said:
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don't understand how this works



You aren't the only one. I was so pumped thinking they had a top-2 pick


same - they also had the met logo illuminated on the side. just a shitty broadcast. probably intentional to f w/ cohen.
hopefully cohen was watching like us and the broadcast  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 6:03 pm : link
induces some rage spending.
RE: RE: RE: I clearly  
Optimus-NY : 12/5/2023 6:10 pm : link
In comment 16314411 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16314400 JayBinQueens said:


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don't understand how this works



You aren't the only one. I was so pumped thinking they had a top-2 pick



same - they also had the met logo illuminated on the side. just a shitty broadcast. probably intentional to f w/ cohen.


MLB is a joke. Disgraceful.
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 6:17 pm : link
Reporting the Yankees are more confident that they will land Yamamoto than the Mets. He’s been consistent with that
The quote  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 6:20 pm : link
"Teams are waiting, Yankees are in a extremely stong position for Yamamoto, still don't know if they get BOTH Soto & Yamamoto, but they really like Yamamoto, The Mets are not as confident was they were before, Yankees Red Sox Cards Dodgers are more iconic"
RE: The quote  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 6:39 pm : link
In comment 16314420 DanMetroMan said:
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"Teams are waiting, Yankees are in a extremely stong position for Yamamoto, still don't know if they get BOTH Soto & Yamamoto, but they really like Yamamoto, The Mets are not as confident was they were before, Yankees Red Sox Cards Dodgers are more iconic"


if they miss on yamamoto, id pivot big to snell.

snell/senga is a quality 1-2 both entering a31's. snell just won cy and senga was 7th.

i wouldnt complain if they did something like montgomery + giolito, those are some reliable innings, but snell has a career 3.2 era. montgomery's career year was just 3.2. snells career fip 3.44. montgomery's career year 3.56. 1 guy you are hoping the career year was the breakout, the other is pretty reliably that good just not super reliable from a durability standpoint.
Fedde  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 6:49 pm : link
To white Sox 2 for 15 (7.5 per)
Reds, Cardinals  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 6:56 pm : link
Cubs and Dodgers have all spoken to Snell in the last few days
RE: RE: RE: I clearly  
GF1080 : 12/5/2023 7:00 pm : link
In comment 16314411 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16314400 JayBinQueens said:


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don't understand how this works



You aren't the only one. I was so pumped thinking they had a top-2 pick



same - they also had the met logo illuminated on the side. just a shitty broadcast. probably intentional to f w/ cohen.


I was watching and that was a really really terrible broadcast. I figured there was no way Mets and Yankees were top 2 possibilities so figured we had to be dropped those 10 spots. They should not have kept us illuminated like that.
RE: RE: RE: I clearly  
Named Later : 12/5/2023 7:28 pm : link
In comment 16314411 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16314400 JayBinQueens said:


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don't understand how this works



You aren't the only one. I was so pumped thinking they had a top-2 pick



same - they also had the met logo illuminated on the side. just a shitty broadcast. probably intentional to f w/ cohen.


Terrible Broadcast. That chart with the Met logo on the side was the worst graphic I've ever seen on TV -- it looked to me like the Mets were still in the running for a top 2 pick !!

And they kept cutting away to show Brad Paisley pulling cards out of his ass......you couldn't really get a clear view of that awful graphic.
RE: Fedde  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 7:32 pm : link
In comment 16314432 DanMetroMan said:
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To white Sox 2 for 15 (7.5 per)


Mets reportedly would not guarantee him a rotation spot
RE: RE: Fedde  
moze1021 : 12/5/2023 7:33 pm : link
In comment 16314462 DanMetroMan said:
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To white Sox 2 for 15 (7.5 per)



Mets reportedly would not guarantee him a rotation spot


So that's actually good news.

Onward
Giolito  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 7:35 pm : link
Market heating up. Some taking this to mean teams pessimistic about Yamamoto are looking at alternatives
Mauricio  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 8:15 pm : link
3 hits so far, also a SB
Kirby  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 8:50 pm : link
Yates to Texas 1 for 4.5. Good deal
.  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 9:16 pm : link
Source confirms to @TheAthleticMLB: The Yankees are acquiring Red Sox outfielder Alex Verdugo for pitchers Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice
fringe deal or canary in a coal mine?  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:20 pm : link
verdugo only played in corners the last 2 years and he's set to make $10m as a rental, so not $ cheap. $10 is really $15m for them in the 50% tier. big L/R splits.

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Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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BREAKING: The New York Yankees are acquiring outfielder Alex Verdugo in a trade with the Boston Red Sox for right-handeres Richard Fitts, Greg Weissert and Nicholas Judice, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN.


if soto and judge are your every day corners and stanton DH does verdugo on a 1 year make sense?
3rd prospect not in the database so this was a little more even  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:24 pm : link
than it looks.

martino says still in on soto  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:25 pm : link

Andy Martino
@martinonyc
The Yankees are still in on Juan Soto, per sources.
marino says mets were in too  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:27 pm : link

Michael Marino
@MarinoMLB
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Sources tell me the Mets were one of the 3+ teams involved late in trade talks for now formerly Red Sox OF Alex Verdugo. Verdugo instead goes from Boston to Yanks. Sources also told me this move does NOT impact the Yankees pursuit of Juan Soto, which is said to be ongoing.
Hochi-  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 9:29 pm : link
LHP Shota Imanaga has reportedly received multi-year offers from 10 MLB teams, some reaching close to $100M in total value.
judge having to cover cf at 32 with all his health stuff  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:31 pm : link
seems risky.


Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Juan Soto (or Cody Bellinger) still in play for Yankees even after Verdugo deal. If it’s Soto, Judge presumably plays CF
was/is Verdugo  
Rory : 12/5/2023 9:31 pm : link
a player SD covets?
RE: was/is Verdugo  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:33 pm : link
In comment 16314549 Rory said:
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a player SD covets?


no he is 1 year from free agency and due to make $9m in arb.
Fitts  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 9:42 pm : link
Best comp in the Mets system would be Vasil
RE: Fitts  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 9:47 pm : link
In comment 16314560 DanMetroMan said:
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Best comp in the Mets system would be Vasil


if that was the price id have preferred one of the FA.
Pipeline  
DanMetroMan : 12/5/2023 9:55 pm : link
Fitts shows the potential for two plus pitches that have intriguing metrics. His 91-97 mph four-seam fastball features natural cutting and riding action, as well as quality induced vertical break that gives it tremendous carry up in the zone, while his 83-86 slider features the big sweep that the Yankees covet. He also can turn his slider into a harder cutter and occasionally will use an upper-80s two-seamer to give hitters a different look.

Fitts doesn't completely trust his fading mid-80s changeup, which shows promise but also needs more work. He has a sound arm action and a delivery that he repeats well, allowing him to pound the strike zone and rank sixth in the Minors last year in walk rate (1.6 per nine innings). The next step toward becoming a possible mid-rotation starter will be refining his command because he's hittable when he doesn't locate his pitches well.
RE: Pipeline  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16314574 DanMetroMan said:
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Fitts shows the potential for two plus pitches that have intriguing metrics. His 91-97 mph four-seam fastball features natural cutting and riding action, as well as quality induced vertical break that gives it tremendous carry up in the zone, while his 83-86 slider features the big sweep that the Yankees covet. He also can turn his slider into a harder cutter and occasionally will use an upper-80s two-seamer to give hitters a different look.

Fitts doesn't completely trust his fading mid-80s changeup, which shows promise but also needs more work. He has a sound arm action and a delivery that he repeats well, allowing him to pound the strike zone and rank sixth in the Minors last year in walk rate (1.6 per nine innings). The next step toward becoming a possible mid-rotation starter will be refining his command because he's hittable when he doesn't locate his pitches well.


an overslot 6th round pick (183rd pick) in 2021 (vasil went 50 picks later at 232nd and got half as much $).
good 6 minute interview with stearns today linked below  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 11:06 pm : link
his comments about needing to keep paths open for young players to get time in the big leagues was good to hear. also an interesting concept of run prevention that i hadnt heard before.

now pick up a phone and swoop in on soto pls. if we are entertaining any prospect with a pulse for verdugo as a rental we can make a call on soto.
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mets guy from sny but he's right  
Eric on Li : 12/5/2023 11:16 pm : link
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Danny Abriano
@DannyAbriano
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With Alex Verdugo added, Yankees’ projected 2024 CBT payroll, via Cot’s, is roughly $256M

Add in Juan Soto and they’re at $289M

That’s before doing anything else

If you add Yoshinobu Yamamoto on top of that, they’re around $320M

Could they do it? Sure. But I don’t see it


unless verdugo was someone the pads specifically wanted or the yankees are going full cohen, getting both seems unlikely.
Mets  
GF1080 : 12/6/2023 3:58 am : link
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