- Luis Severino has joined the Mets in free agency after a mixed history with the Yankees. His career with the Yankees was marked by both success and extensive injuries. Severino signed a one-year, $13 million deal with the Mets.
Mets' Catching Depth:
- The Mets' catching depth is a concern, regarding Omar Narváez's performance and health. Cooper Hmel is considered a potential replacement for Narváez. They also picked up Tyler Heineman.
- Joey Wendle was picked up to replace LG as the utility man.
- Kyle Crick, a new Mets relief pitcher, has joined on a minor league deal with hopes of strengthening the bullpen.
The Mets have signed Austin Adams, Joseph Yabbour, Andre Scrubb and Cole Sulser to aid bullpen depth.
Mets Winter Meetings Focus:
- The Mets are expected to be active at the Winter Meetings, with a focus on acquiring an outfielder, starting pitching, and relief pitching. They are also interested in improving run prevention and outfield defense.
- The team may engage in trade talks, expect to hear the usual prospect names such as Kevin Parada, Brett Baty, Mark Vientos, and Ronny Mauricio.
Yoshinobu Yamamoto and Player Meetings:
- The New York Mets are planning to meet with Japanese pitcher Yoshinobu Yamamoto in the next week and he is expected to continue to draw significant interest from MLB teams.
- Shohei Ohtani is also expected to make a decision on his next team soon, with bids for his services surpassing $500 million.
- The Mets are also considering Korean outfielder Jung Hoo Lee.
Summary from pre Winter Meeting thread:
Hall of Fame Ballot Newbies: Inclusion of players like Big Sexy, Wright, and Reyes in the Hall of Fame ballot.
- Several iconic Yankees and Mets greats were in contention for Hall of Fame induction, but they fell short of the required votes.
Management and Coaching Updates: Significant changes in the Mets' management and coaching staff, including a new contract for manager Mendoza. Bench coach vacancy and role shifts for Eric Chavez and Jeremy Barnes as hitting coaches. Introduction of Kris Gross and Andy Green in player development and amateur scouting.
Pitching Strategy and Market Moves: Focus on fortifying the rotation, implications of the Cardinals' signings, and the pursuit of high-caliber pitchers.
Bullpen and Player Performance: Signing of BP arms to minor league deals and review of the players.
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Left-hander MacKenzie Gore, San Diego’s preseason No. 4 prospect
Outfielder Robert Hassell III, the Friars’ top prospect at the time of the trade/No. 21 overall prospect
Outfielder James Wood, the Padres’ No. 3 prospect/No. 88 overall prospect
Right-hander Jarlin Susana, San Diego’s No. 14 prospect
Major League first baseman/designated hitter Luke Voit
even though he'd lost some luster, abrams was the main headliner, and rightfully that's 1 obvious piece that was hard to get in a rental deal. he was a 21 year old ready for MLB and had the top prospect pedigree. the yankees were able to keep dominguez here.
while the upside is still there, at the moment it is at best 50-50 who the more valuable pitcher is between gore and king. gore presently has 2 extra years of control over king right now, and steamer projects them both at 2 wins next year. but pretty decent job by the pads to at least match 1 key piece of the deal (and who knows, maybe King ends up the better pitcher, gores xera the last 2 years is over 5).
so that brings us to hassell/wood. wood is the nats current #1 prospect on FG. 20 years old in AA comps to adam dunn. hassell is their #7 prospect 21 years old in AA. comp'ing pitchers to hitters is always dicey but it seems like there might be some people on either side of choosing between thorpe/hassell.
i assume all of the spare parts of the deal with net out susana/voit, and probably even tilt in the pads direction.
so net/net for 1.5 years (and about 7 fwar) of soto, including 1 deep playoff run, the padres gave up abrams and wood while reclaiming value comparable to gore/hassell/other pieces.
I do not like the sound of that
Mark Feinsand
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While a trade of Juan Soto is appearing very likely, a source said that Jake Cronenworth is also a potential trade possibility for the Padres.
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Mets unlikely to trade much trade capital for any player not under contract beyond 2024 unless something "falls into their laps".
I do not like the sound of that
sort of contradicts the verdugo rumors though doesn't it?
mets plans seem to be pretty close to the vest beyond 'all in' on yamamoto.
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Mets unlikely to trade much trade capital for any player not under contract beyond 2024 unless something "falls into their laps".
I do not like the sound of that
sort of contradicts the verdugo rumors though doesn't it?
mets plans seem to be pretty close to the vest beyond 'all in' on yamamoto.
#1 nobody else reported this but Marino
#2 No not really. They didn't give up much at all for Verdugo.
Right-hander Richard Fitts had success in Double A this year, but he’s 91-96 mph without much life and has a below-average slider and changeup. He does throw a ton of strikes and commands the fastball reasonably well, so his results were above his pure stuff. I see the 22 homers allowed in 152 2/3 innings as a harbinger of more hard contact as he moves up the ladder. Right-hander Nicholas Judice was the Yankees’ eighth-round pick in 2023, a senior reliever at Louisiana-Monroe who’s mostly 91-93 mph with some ride to the four-seamer, a fringy slider, and a 40 changeup. He’s an org guy at this point, with a big vulnerability to left-handed batters. This is organizational pitching depth at best, and the main value to Boston comes from shedding Verdugo’s salary and his feeble bat against lefties.
So no, I don't think even if they did check in on Verdugo, that's counter to not giving up much for rentals. They bid LESS than what looks like a mediocre overall package.
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Mets unlikely to trade much trade capital for any player not under contract beyond 2024 unless something "falls into their laps".
I do not like the sound of that
sort of contradicts the verdugo rumors though doesn't it?
mets plans seem to be pretty close to the vest beyond 'all in' on yamamoto.
I'm referring to current players on the roster.
I can't get a damn thing from ANYONE on it, but I know there was a massive push last week. No clue how they felt it went, zero, nada.
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In comment 16314863 DanMetroMan said:
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Mets unlikely to trade much trade capital for any player not under contract beyond 2024 unless something "falls into their laps".
I do not like the sound of that
sort of contradicts the verdugo rumors though doesn't it?
mets plans seem to be pretty close to the vest beyond 'all in' on yamamoto.
I'm referring to current players on the roster.
I can't get a damn thing from ANYONE on it, but I know there was a massive push last week. No clue how they felt it went, zero, nada.
you mean push to extend current players or trade?
@CarlosACollazo
The shortened 2020 draft is having an impact on a Rule 5 class that is perceived as down this year:
certainly seems that way but the math is the math. if they take on more $ than soto in the SD trade (whether that's grisham or cronenworth) im skeptical they spend that much. and they have very few paths to offloading $.
you mean push to extend current players or trade?
Want to know if they can resign him
The Padres like Thorpe, but there is not as much unanimity within their group about the righty and if he has enough fastball to thrive in the majors. King is due to be a free agent after the 2025 season and has had arm problems in the past. But the righty has been a dominant hybrid reliever and ended last season as a standout starter.
@WillSammon
Mets owner Steve Cohen flew to Japan last week to meet with Yoshinobu Yamamoto, league sources told @TheAthletic
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you mean push to extend current players or trade?
Want to know if they can resign him
got it what you mentioned earlier.
@WillSammon
Mets owner Steve Cohen flew to Japan last week to meet with Yoshinobu Yamamoto, league sources told @TheAthletic
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Well respect that Cohen is at least trying here. Seems like Mets are all-in on him.
What's the max bid you guys would be okay with for Yamamoto? Seems like 10yr/$300M is expected now. How much higher can it go?
@WillSammon
Mets owner Steve Cohen flew to Japan last week to meet with Yoshinobu Yamamoto, league sources told @TheAthletic
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"leaving in 10 for airport alex, just finishing packing up the car"
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Will Sammon
@WillSammon
Mets owner Steve Cohen flew to Japan last week to meet with Yoshinobu Yamamoto, league sources told @TheAthletic
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Well respect that Cohen is at least trying here. Seems like Mets are all-in on him.
What's the max bid you guys would be okay with for Yamamoto? Seems like 10yr/$300M is expected now. How much higher can it go?
blevins predicted yesterday he may get more than cole (9x324m) which would be biggest P contract in mlb history. and posting fee on top.
Yamamoto, the 25-year-old star pitcher from Japan, is a major target of the Mets, among others.
For the past three seasons in Nippon Professional Baseball, Yamamoto has captured what Japan calls the quadruple crown by leading the league in wins, winning percentage, ERA and strikeouts. In 171 innings last season, he went 17-6 with a 1.17 ERA, 176 strikeouts and 28 walks.
Yamamoto is expected to come to the United States this weekend, The Athletic confirmed through league sources.
This story will be updated.
$300m is already a projected luxury tax bill of
50% rate on $63m for 3rd year offender = $31.5m
12% surcharge between +20-40m = $2.4m
42.5% surcharge between +40-60m = $8.5m
60% surcharge on final 3m = $1.8m (cohen tax level)
total tax penalties pre-yamamoto = ~44m (close to what nyy paid last 5 years combined)
yamamoto cost beyond that:
$33m salary (+ posting fee)
$16.5m base 50% tax
$19.8m cohen tax (60% surcharge)
so yamamoto alone practically doubles their tax bill.
if yankees get soto im still far more worried about LAD than NYY, even if LAD get ohtani (though if they get ohtani im slightly less worried).
@JackCurryYES
With the expectation that King and Thorpe would be included in a Soto trade, my hunch is that means Schmidt and Hampton won’t be moved. Could see Brito and Vasquez being dealt. Since Padres could use a catcher, perhaps Yankees move one of their catchers as part of deal, too.
if the yankees dont eat any extra $, or even dump some money back on the pads, that would be notable re yamamoto.
king arb is estimated at $3.1m.
higashioka arb is estimated at $2.2m.
Brito and Vasquez are pre-arb.
Bruce Levine
@MLBBruceLevine
The asking price for Sox pitcher Dylan Cease is very high ,and should be for two yrs control and $8 mil-contract.The Reds were asked for 4 top prospects including RHP Rhett Lowder and RHP Chase Petty. #9 and #11 position prospects as well.Sox will get more as market shakes out.
imanaga too. forgetting the extreme yamamoto hype, feels like he's being discussed a lot less than senga last year.
Ben Spanier
@b_span2
yeah the Soto return is going to be stronger than I thought it would be. whether it will seem like a lot to the “man on the street,” idk
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surprised how little mention there has been of Yuki Matsui, only 28 years old, not sure he's an MLB setup man but he was dominant in Japan.
imanaga too. forgetting the extreme yamamoto hype, feels like he's being discussed a lot less than senga last year.
Yakyu Cosmopolitan
@yakyucosmo
LHP Shota Imanaga has reportedly received multi-year offers from 10 MLB teams, some reaching close to $100M in total value.
Ben Spanier
@b_span2
yeah the Soto return is going to be stronger than I thought it would be. whether it will seem like a lot to the “man on the street,” idk
im sort of coming around to that, especially if SD can get yankees to eat cronenworth or grisham i think it's probably a solid double, but i think the upside of the package is really capped too. kings best baseline is probably 2 years of seth lugo. both flex pitchers with some prior injury risks.
thorpe's lack of velocity probably makes him unlikely to be a top of rotation starter even if the guys who like him are more right than the guys that dont.
the rp's and backup catchers are filler.
manoah + tiedemann would have been the home run if they could have gotten it. maybe even manoah + barriera + some other stuff.
if mets got creative i think they could have beaten it trading baty or mauricio to 3rd team for an mlb pitcher.
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surprised how little mention there has been of Yuki Matsui, only 28 years old, not sure he's an MLB setup man but he was dominant in Japan.
imanaga too. forgetting the extreme yamamoto hype, feels like he's being discussed a lot less than senga last year.
Yakyu Cosmopolitan
@yakyucosmo
LHP Shota Imanaga has reportedly received multi-year offers from 10 MLB teams, some reaching close to $100M in total value.
and how many times has his name come up in this thread or yankee thread relative to yamamoto?
last year i recall everyone talked about senga a ton even when verlander was in play.
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so in the 3 day wm thread nobody has discussed him even 1x.
@SNYtv
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LHP Shota Imanaga has reportedly received multi-year offers from 10 MLB teams, some reaching close to $100M in total value.
so in the 3 day wm thread nobody has discussed him even 1x.
108 yamamoto mentions by contrast.
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which was your post of that same tweet yesterday.
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LHP Shota Imanaga has reportedly received multi-year offers from 10 MLB teams, some reaching close to $100M in total value.
so in the 3 day wm thread nobody has discussed him even 1x.
108 yamamoto mentions by contrast.
If Yamamoto was available last off season, I would imagine Senga would have barely been mentioned as well.
"Yakyu Cosmopolitan
@yakyucosmo
Teams that were known to have scouted Imanaga in Yokohama over the summer
- Yankees
- Red Sox
- Blue Jays
- Rangers
- Phillies
- Mets
- Cubs
- Cardinals
- Reds
- Diamondbacks
- Giants
- Padres"
The original Hochi article is linked but I don't believe anybody on here speaks/reads Japanese
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@timbhealey
The Mets announced righthanded reliever Michael Tonkin’s one-year contract.
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which was your post of that same tweet yesterday.
In comment 16314546 DanMetroMan said:
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LHP Shota Imanaga has reportedly received multi-year offers from 10 MLB teams, some reaching close to $100M in total value.
so in the 3 day wm thread nobody has discussed him even 1x.
108 yamamoto mentions by contrast.
If Yamamoto was available last off season, I would imagine Senga would have barely been mentioned as well.
dont agree - verlander was available off a historic season and the mets got him at the highest AAV for a pitcher ever. and we still had time to discuss senga plenty.
we've all still discussed montgomery, e-rod, giolito, and snell even though the mets have probably been just as connected to imanaga as all of them.
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Colorado just opened a spot, Mets now pick 7th
"Yakyu Cosmopolitan
@yakyucosmo
Teams that were known to have scouted Imanaga in Yokohama over the summer
- Yankees
- Red Sox
- Blue Jays
- Rangers
- Phillies
- Mets
- Cubs
- Cardinals
- Reds
- Diamondbacks
- Giants
- Padres"
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where did i ever say anything to dispute that?
i said imanaga has been discussed less than senga was discussed last year (meaning by all of us). every projection had him getting paid more than senga weeks ago. i mentioned a week or so ago that LAD were in on him big so im fully aware that MLB teams are very much discussing him.
@TimBritton
It's a major-league deal worth $1M for Tonkin, according to a league source. He's actually still arb-eligible, so Mets could control him through 2026.