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Papa /banks podcast -OL Development w/j Vilma

dancing blue bear : 12/5/2023 9:15 pm
Interesting discussion on drafting OL and the slow development, defense v offense cycles and evolutions, running back paychecks


Good football talk. Minimal shilling

Wherever you get your pods at (bleav in giants)
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HitSquad : 12/5/2023 9:38 pm : link
He does a great job breaking down why Oline play is trash now-a-days
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Awesome listen  
Blue21 : 12/5/2023 10:02 pm : link
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Vilma meeds to be in a front office  
MotownGIANTS : 12/5/2023 10:16 pm : link
somewhere.
Vilma needs to be in a front office  
MotownGIANTS : 12/5/2023 10:17 pm : link
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RE: Vilma needs to be in a front office  
knowledgetimmons : 12/5/2023 10:22 pm : link
In comment 16314594 MotownGIANTS said:
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That’s a bold statement. I’ll give it a listen for sure. His commentary during games is as bad as it gets, quite literally words flying into the abyss.
Agree completely  
Josh in MD : 12/5/2023 11:17 pm : link
That's why he needs to be in a front office: to get him out of our ears.
Hmm  
section125 : 12/5/2023 11:36 pm : link
I like Vilma. Yeah the odd football cliche thrown in, but he is knowledgeable.
Vilma  
ElitoCanton : 12/6/2023 12:35 am : link
is one of the better announcers. But every one of the Papa/Banks pods is an endeavor to make excuses for different aspects of failure by the Giants.
I am shocked by the Vilma  
Giantophile : 12/6/2023 7:30 am : link
takes here. I find him to be one of the most brutal announcers I've ever listened to. He's atrocious in that capacity.
RE: I am shocked by the Vilma  
McNally's_Nuts : 12/6/2023 9:12 am : link
In comment 16314668 Giantophile said:
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takes here. I find him to be one of the most brutal announcers I've ever listened to. He's atrocious in that capacity.


Feels like he gets paid by the word oh and I'll never get over his involvement in the New Orleans bounty stuff.
RE: I am shocked by the Vilma  
Kidprince : 12/6/2023 10:59 am : link
In comment 16314668 Giantophile said:
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takes here. I find him to be one of the most brutal announcers I've ever listened to. He's atrocious in that capacity.



Agree with this 100%. Cannot listen to him call games it's brutal
Well...  
Johnny5 : 12/6/2023 11:22 am : link
The guy knows football, no one can question that. And this is a great discussion.

That said, I totally agree he is a horrible game announcer... lol.
RE: I am shocked by the Vilma  
Danny Kanell : 12/6/2023 11:42 am : link
In comment 16314668 Giantophile said:
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takes here. I find him to be one of the most brutal announcers I've ever listened to. He's atrocious in that capacity.


I honestly (And this is not hyperbole) think he's the worst NFL TV analyst of all time.
Haven't  
Torn Tendon : 12/7/2023 1:03 pm : link
listened to the podcast yet.

But Howard Cross feels the injuries and lack of development, especially with O-line is due to how much practice time has been cut out by the CBA and how little starters play in preseason.

Seems to me that the play has gotten so bad that players are losing out on money by not developing or by not meeting performance incentives. Most of the Union votes don't come from starters, it's the backups. But I think they are all losing money having watered down practices so much.
Just want to echo I think Vilma is awful too  
BrianLeonard23 : 12/7/2023 1:09 pm : link
+1
I thought Vilma's best comments were  
pivo : 12/7/2023 6:05 pm : link
1) The need for live play, especially for rookies

- how many times in the past few years have we heard the HC (BD included) after a loss say "we had great practices..."

2) The best OLs have a mix of OL vets with youngsters, because they need to learn from the vets while the bullets are flying. We had no vets playing (AT is not quite a vet yet) until Pugh was brought in. Maybe part of Pugh's assignment was Neal. That didn't work...
RE: I thought Vilma's best comments were  
HBart : 12/7/2023 7:43 pm : link
In comment 16316010 pivo said:
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1) The need for live play, especially for rookies

- how many times in the past few years have we heard the HC (BD included) after a loss say "we had great practices..."

2) The best OLs have a mix of OL vets with youngsters, because they need to learn from the vets while the bullets are flying. We had no vets playing (AT is not quite a vet yet) until Pugh was brought in. Maybe part of Pugh's assignment was Neal. That didn't work...

There's no mystery why the OL was horrific without some vet presence and stability, nor mystery why the O improved as OL health improved, raw guys got reps, and the same unit played together more than a few quarters.

Puzzling how that seems to elude so many.

I'm optimistic about the future OL because I think Dabs knows talent but gambled on normal health, lost, and underestimated how heinous bad could be. Mckethan in particular because I'm a size fan. Either way I doubt Daboll lost an eye for developable talent - just gambled on time and lost.
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