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NGT: the NFL can't get out of it's own way right now

cpgiants : 12/10/2023 10:50 pm
For about 3 hours after the Toney penalty, anyone you could find was finally complimenting officiating for getting a game determining call right.

No one had any idea what Andy Reid or Pat Mahomes were even complaining about.

Finally the league was on the good side of an officiating controversy....

Then what do they do? They wheel Terry McAuley out at halftime of SNF, and he's talking about how offensive offsides penalties for years have not occurred without warning, but now this year they call it more, and now it doesn't have to get a warning earlier in the game, but it still often does get a warning....all this wishy washy nonsense that gives a clue as to why officiating is so bad.

After listening to him, I at least get why Reid and Mahomes were so livid, and ultimately I feel bad for the officials because it seems unclear what's even expected of them anymore....
Toney was in the neutral zone possibly  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/10/2023 10:55 pm : link
On the other side of it. He was way off sides. If they're angry be pissed at Toney not the officials
Why don't or didn't defensive players  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/10/2023 11:08 pm : link
Get a warning? It's a fucking penalty. Where's the FL rule book does it say to warn guys. NFL is run by morons and is successful despite itself. They are calling it this year. Fuck Reid and Mahomes. They are whiny birches. Period
Strange they were so chill last week...  
John in No Cal : 12/10/2023 11:10 pm : link
Pretty egregious uncalled PI. They didn't lose both games on either bad call but strange they chose that hill to die on.
RE: Why don't or didn't defensive players  
Eman11 : 12/10/2023 11:12 pm : link
In comment 16318275 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Get a warning? It's a fucking penalty. Where's the FL rule book does it say to warn guys. NFL is run by morons and is successful despite itself. They are calling it this year. Fuck Reid and Mahomes. They are whiny birches. Period


Exactly. It’s been a point of emphasis this year and called 11 times so far. Reid and Mahomes need to pay better attention before whining.

I'd also add if they were/ are so concerned about offensive players...  
John in No Cal : 12/10/2023 11:13 pm : link
being offside...

Perhaps they should also consider every clear passing play where Lane Johnson starts early. It's really bad.
They just called it on the Tush push.  
St. Jimmy : 12/10/2023 11:20 pm : link
We already saw how Kelcy was moving the ball forward which was thought to be no gain to the Eagles. Hopefully, the league has figured that crap out.
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Bill E : 12/10/2023 11:29 pm : link
The statement that "offensive offsides penalties for years have not occurred without warning, is BS.
The WR on the outside could check with the ref to see if he was lined up right, but the ref never provided unsolicited warnings.
Toney was clearly off sides, and never checked with the ref to see if he was lined up properly.

This is silly.
How  
Ron Johnson : 12/10/2023 11:31 pm : link
fucking hard is it to line up onsides from the slot??? You're right on the hip of the tackle. The game is beyond Toney's grasp.
RE: I'd also add if they were/ are so concerned about offensive players...  
Larry in Pencilvania : 12/10/2023 11:33 pm : link
In comment 16318279 John in No Cal said:
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being offside...

Perhaps they should also consider every clear passing play where Lane Johnson starts early. It's really bad.


It got called tonight on both Eagle tackle on consecutive plays
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bw in dc : 12/10/2023 11:34 pm : link
In comment 16318288 Bill E said:
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The statement that "offensive offsides penalties for years have not occurred without warning, is BS.
The WR on the outside could check with the ref to see if he was lined up right, but the ref never provided unsolicited warnings.
Toney was clearly off sides, and never checked with the ref to see if he was lined up properly.

This is silly.


The NFL has an officiating problem. And it's growing. IMV.

But this situation is not on the officials. You are correct.

What this actually reflects is another example this year where the Chiefs WRs let the team down. The problems just keep compounding by that group.
That isn't what he said  
jvm52106 : 12/10/2023 11:36 pm : link
At all. He said it was a point of emphasis this year and has been called 11 times. Mentions Toney is clearly in the neutral zone if not past the neutral zone..
Mahomes and Reid got it wrong  
GiantBlue : 12/10/2023 11:41 pm : link
Toney, the bonehead, was over the line of scrimmage and should have seen it since he was looking toward the snap of the ball.

Bonehead.
I see teams exploiting the refs!  
George from PA : 12/11/2023 5:51 am : link
Lane Johnson moves early on every play.....he is the first to get out of his stance.....now, I can't see the ball, but he certainly looks like he is moving early everytime.

Dallas OL looks like the hold on every play......almost daring the refs to call it.....leading the Eagles DL to spin....to show it....funny, if it wasn't so sad.

I am convince teams coach it......knowing the pressure the refs are under...to keep game moving.
Toney is single handedly destroying  
ZogZerg : 12/11/2023 6:37 am : link
The Chiefs Dynasty.
LOL
With apologies to Uecker  
Gman11 : 12/11/2023 6:38 am : link
Juuuuust a bit offside..

RE: I see teams exploiting the refs!  
section125 : 12/11/2023 6:51 am : link
In comment 16318332 George from PA said:
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Lane Johnson moves early on every play.....he is the first to get out of his stance.....now, I can't see the ball, but he certainly looks like he is moving early everytime.

Dallas OL looks like the hold on every play......almost daring the refs to call it.....leading the Eagles DL to spin....to show it....funny, if it wasn't so sad.

I am convince teams coach it......knowing the pressure the refs are under...to keep game moving.


I watch it very closely and Johnson is not moving early. He is just faster than everyone else. Like any other player he does get that timing off sometimes and gets called. But I have watched him very closely and he gets it right almost virtuality time. The Chief's LT does it too. SF's RT is another.
There is a difference  
Dankbeerman : 12/11/2023 7:01 am : link
in a procedure penalty where you let the ref know your supposed to be on the line and just lining up on the wromh side of the line.
RE: Why don't or didn't defensive players  
Blue21 : 12/11/2023 7:02 am : link
In comment 16318275 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Get a warning? It's a fucking penalty. Where's the FL rule book does it say to warn guys. NFL is run by morons and is successful despite itself. They are calling it this year. Fuck Reid and Mahomes. They are whiny birches. Period
Good point. And Toney was way off sides. I ve seen WRs ask or check with officials before snap but it's not up to the officials to stop the game and line them up.
Photo  
stretch234 : 12/11/2023 7:07 am : link
From that photo is the Bills player helmet in the neutral zone

I have a harder time seeing flags thrown on Dallas twice for TDs and then called no foul. Once was clearly a WR pick. There is holding on every play but Dallas is really blatant about it

Toney can’t make it work with Reid and Mahomes - no matter how much talent he may have he is just not a good football player

The Chiefs WR are essentially what the Giants had last year. You do need guys who can get open and actually catch the ball
RE: Toney is single handedly destroying  
Mayo2JZ : 12/11/2023 7:31 am : link
In comment 16318340 ZogZerg said:
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The Chiefs Dynasty.
LOL


Don't be so obtuse. He helped the Chiefs dynasty by beating the Eagles in the SB but an offsides penalty is destroying it? You're an idiot
RE: RE: Toney is single handedly destroying  
Eli owns all : 12/11/2023 8:19 am : link
In comment 16318363 Mayo2JZ said:
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In comment 16318340 ZogZerg said:


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The Chiefs Dynasty.
LOL



Don't be so obtuse. He helped the Chiefs dynasty by beating the Eagles in the SB but an offsides penalty is destroying it? You're an idiot



This is the second game Toney has cost them. Week 1 with all his drops and last night. You let Tyreke go for a bunch of JAGS.
RE: Photo  
BigBlueShock : 12/11/2023 8:30 am : link
In comment 16318354 stretch234 said:
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From that photo is the Bills player helmet in the neutral zone

I have a harder time seeing flags thrown on Dallas twice for TDs and then called no foul. Once was clearly a WR pick. There is holding on every play but Dallas is really blatant about it

Toney can’t make it work with Reid and Mahomes - no matter how much talent he may have he is just not a good football player

The Chiefs WR are essentially what the Giants had last year. You do need guys who can get open and actually catch the ball

The Bills player is not in the neutral zone. That blue line is not the neutral zone. It’s a line for television. The neutral zone would be over the ball. You can see where the center is over Toney’s head and he is back further than where the Bills players head is
RE: Why don't or didn't defensive players  
Essex : 12/11/2023 8:35 am : link
In comment 16318275 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Get a warning? It's a fucking penalty. Where's the FL rule book does it say to warn guys. NFL is run by morons and is successful despite itself. They are calling it this year. Fuck Reid and Mahomes. They are whiny birches. Period


I think because the center moves the ball a bit, they tell the players if they are in neutral zone. If you look the center always moves the ball so there is some unwritten rule about it and if that is the case, I get the anger.
RE: With apologies to Uecker  
Dankbeerman : 12/11/2023 8:44 am : link
In comment 16318341 Gman11 said:
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Juuuuust a bit offside..



Best part of the photo is that Toney is looking at the ball.

No reason a ref should have to tell a receiver he is off sides  
kelly : 12/11/2023 9:11 am : link
they don't warn defensive players and they don't warn o linemen if they line up too far off the line of scrimmage.

The problem with penalties in the nfl is they don't call them consistently. If they called penalties consistently the game would be unwatchable because there would be a stream of constant penalties.

So the refs have to figure out when a penalty should be called not if a penalty has occurred. That is the root of the problem.

Which is also why the good teams get more favorable calls when going up against lousy teams. Or great players against not so great players.
RE: No reason a ref should have to tell a receiver he is off sides  
OBJ_AllDay : 12/11/2023 9:33 am : link
In comment 16318428 kelly said:
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they don't warn defensive players and they don't warn o linemen if they line up too far off the line of scrimmage.

The problem with penalties in the nfl is they don't call them consistently. If they called penalties consistently the game would be unwatchable because there would be a stream of constant penalties.

So the refs have to figure out when a penalty should be called not if a penalty has occurred. That is the root of the problem.

Which is also why the good teams get more favorable calls when going up against lousy teams. Or great players against not so great players.


Refs have always told the wideouts when they're lined up wrong. They won't on their own though - that's why you always see wideouts checking with refs presnap. It Deserved to be called a penalty
RE: RE: Toney is single handedly destroying  
sb from NYT Forum : 12/11/2023 10:11 am : link
In comment 16318363 Mayo2JZ said:
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In comment 16318340 ZogZerg said:


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The Chiefs Dynasty.
LOL



Don't be so obtuse. He helped the Chiefs dynasty by beating the Eagles in the SB but an offsides penalty is destroying it? You're an idiot


RE: RE: I see teams exploiting the refs!  
BillKo : 12/11/2023 3:42 pm : link
In comment 16318347 section125 said:
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In comment 16318332 George from PA said:


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Lane Johnson moves early on every play.....he is the first to get out of his stance.....now, I can't see the ball, but he certainly looks like he is moving early everytime.

Dallas OL looks like the hold on every play......almost daring the refs to call it.....leading the Eagles DL to spin....to show it....funny, if it wasn't so sad.

I am convince teams coach it......knowing the pressure the refs are under...to keep game moving.



I watch it very closely and Johnson is not moving early. He is just faster than everyone else. Like any other player he does get that timing off sometimes and gets called. But I have watched him very closely and he gets it right almost virtuality time. The Chief's LT does it too.


C'mon now....he's not doing it every single play but he pulls out early a lot and it's never called. It's called - like last night - when he pulls out and the rest of the line doesn't move LOL

It's like MJ traveling in the NBA - they simply let it go. And other players do it too, but LJ is a huge violator of it.

It's a fraction of a second, but it's early. And sometimes it's blatant.
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