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Mike Garafolo: NYG still want Wink to be their DC

Anakim : 1/10/2024 8:49 am
Mike Garafolo
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Meanwhile, the #Giants have not begun a search for a new defensive coordinator and don't plan to do so as of right now, sources say. They want Wink Martindale to be their DC unless and until he resigns. So the standoff continues.
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Great start to the offseason  
The_Boss : 1/10/2024 9:21 am : link
This is like a sitcom at this point.
Mike in Prescott  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2024 9:22 am : link
the only fly in the ointment would be the fear that someone like Henderson could tell Wink. So maybe not. I'm just spitballing.
The PR piece is important  
leatherneck570 : 1/10/2024 9:22 am : link
All these leaks have to be hurting Wink’s chances of landing with a contender. No one wants a DC that goes rogue and uses the media to manipulate the team.
RE: RE: RE: It’s all a game until someone blinks  
logman : 1/10/2024 9:23 am : link
In comment 16357410 Essex said:
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My take is that for Wink it is about money and for the Giants it is about where he is going to go. If I am wrong and its about money for both, it will eventually be solved with some negotiation of a middle ground.


I would agree that I don't think the money is the big issue. I don't think they would have a problem paying him to sit on his ass for a year. It's letting him go elsewhere, regardless of where it is, in 2024, without them getting something in return, that they probably have an issue with. That return could be the money or it could be draft compensation.
RE: Contrary to most  
Justlurking : 1/10/2024 9:23 am : link
In comment 16357384 Eric from BBI said:
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I think this actually pretty entertaining.

If they can't give me an 11-6 season, I'll take the soap opera.


yeah seriously. zero issues with this at this juncture. in season they kept it under wraps and actually performed better post rift.
RE: the only  
truebluelarry : 1/10/2024 9:27 am : link
In comment 16357385 Eric from BBI said:
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thing that would make this better is if Taylor Swift and Kelce somehow get involved.

Hahahaha!
Best laugh I've had all week.
RE: Mike in Prescott  
section125 : 1/10/2024 9:27 am : link
In comment 16357418 Eric from BBI said:
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the only fly in the ointment would be the fear that someone like Henderson could tell Wink. So maybe not. I'm just spitballing.


What prevents them from looking at and even hiring a new DC? Where does it say that teams can only have 1 DC?

They could always go with the meaningless DC/AssistHC. Yes it would cost $1.5 mill extra.
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christian : 1/10/2024 9:29 am : link
It's obvious counsel has advised Daboll and Schoen to say they expect Martindale back any time anyone asks, whether publicly or privately. This is good legal advice.

The Giants seem intent on preventing Martindale from going to a rival, and the only way that seems possible is if Martindale resigns.
The more i'm hearing on this  
cjac : 1/10/2024 9:30 am : link
i'm starting to think Wilkins leaked the rift to Glazer, Daboll/Schoen fires him after the season, Wink gets pissed off and says "fuck you fire me too" and they just said "nope, you'll have to quit"
RE: ...  
Essex : 1/10/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16357444 christian said:
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It's obvious counsel has advised Daboll and Schoen to say they expect Martindale back any time anyone asks, whether publicly or privately. This is good legal advice.

The Giants seem intent on preventing Martindale from going to a rival, and the only way that seems possible is if Martindale resigns.


The first press conference at 8:30 on Monday I think bears this out. My take was they wanted to get on top of this because they knew it was going to get nasty, They can fire Wilkins, but they knew they couldn't have Wink without Wilkins. Wilkins from what is reported is Wink's brain and the person who sets up the exoctic blitz packages.
RE: RE: Another wrinkle. This is getting more and more absurd  
sb from NYT Forum : 1/10/2024 9:33 am : link
In comment 16357372 Eric from BBI said:
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It's not "getting more absurd"... this is the same position they were taking yesterday. It's just being reiterated today.

They are calling Wink's bluff.


It's actually a smart decision by the Giants. Martindale can't talk to any other team because if any other team speaks with him, they will be tampering.
RE: ...  
leatherneck570 : 1/10/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16357444 christian said:
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It's obvious counsel has advised Daboll and Schoen to say they expect Martindale back any time anyone asks, whether publicly or privately. This is good legal advice.

The Giants seem intent on preventing Martindale from going to a rival, and the only way that seems possible is if Martindale resigns.


This. I’ve worked with Employee Relations enough to know that this is a standard response to this type of situation.
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christian : 1/10/2024 9:34 am : link
In comment 16357438 section125 said:
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What prevents them from looking at and even hiring a new DC? Where does it say that teams can only have 1 DC?

They could always go with the meaningless DC/AssistHC. Yes it would cost $1.5 mill extra.


Nothing precludes them from parking Martindale and hiring someone else to do the job.

But what high pedigree coach is going to break ranks with the fraternity of coaches and be scab over the top of Martindale, or even want to enter a messy situation?

There will be good, clean, easy positions open.
RE: BTW  
Mayo2JZ : 1/10/2024 9:39 am : link
In comment 16357350 Eric from BBI said:
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I may be dead wrong, but I don't see how this prevents the team from reaching

out to other DC prospects right now. What they say publicly is not what they are doing privately.


And we will never know which is how it should be until the new DC is announced
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christian : 1/10/2024 9:39 am : link
I posted this last night, the architect and heavy hitter in this is Hernandez. He had the rep the rep as an absolute dog when he was with McCarter. The Giants will play this right.
RE: The more i'm hearing on this  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2024 9:39 am : link
In comment 16357446 cjac said:
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i'm starting to think Wilkins leaked the rift to Glazer, Daboll/Schoen fires him after the season, Wink gets pissed off and says "fuck you fire me too" and they just said "nope, you'll have to quit"


See my write-up on the front page. I've been told that is fairly accurate.
Maybe Wink just needed to let some steam off?  
SomeFan : 1/10/2024 9:41 am : link
Could this really be true though? I have doubts though they probably did want him to stay two days ago.
I agree, this is all posturing in the stand off  
UberAlias : 1/10/2024 9:41 am : link
But what I'm more curious to know is, how is the team moving forward with the usual season close out stuff? I imagine they're moving forward without Wink, but there are duties specific to the DC in all that. Who is taking on that role? That's what I'd like to know. It may be our best indication about the internal candidates.
Also  
SomeFan : 1/10/2024 9:43 am : link
If Giants begin looking for a DC, does that possibly impact their position that he was not fired? May be a facts and circumstances firing in that case.
RE: Maybe Wink just needed to let some steam off?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2024 9:43 am : link
In comment 16357481 SomeFan said:
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Could this really be true though? I have doubts though they probably did want him to stay two days ago.


No, both sides don't want that. There is stuff going on and people know more than they are saying.
Not sure if this was discussed but  
robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2024 9:43 am : link
this basically sounds like they would be okay with promoting someone like Henderson to DC. It is one thing to say he's under contract and still look for his replacement. It is another thing to say you want him as your DC meaning you will be behind the 8 ball if you keep waiting to interview DC candidates.
Thread title not great IMO  
Heisenberg : 1/10/2024 9:43 am : link
Not starting the search is not the same as wanting him back.
So doesn’t Wink call their bluff and show up for work?  
SomeFan : 1/10/2024 9:44 am : link
What would Giants do then?
RE: So doesn’t Wink call their bluff and show up for work?  
Rich_Houston_1971 : 1/10/2024 9:45 am : link
In comment 16357492 SomeFan said:
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What would Giants do then?


Probably a Come to Jesus meeting with Mara and the other Parties
RE: Not sure if this was discussed but  
SomeFan : 1/10/2024 9:45 am : link
In comment 16357489 robbieballs2003 said:
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this basically sounds like they would be okay with promoting someone like Henderson to DC. It is one thing to say he's under contract and still look for his replacement. It is another thing to say you want him as your DC meaning you will be behind the 8 ball if you keep waiting to interview DC candidates.
agree, that was my thought too. If they start actively looking, it may be bad for their position that he was not fired.
RE: RE: here  
Mayo2JZ : 1/10/2024 9:45 am : link
In comment 16357382 Spider56 said:
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In comment 16357340 Eric from BBI said:


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comes the public posturing





Correction … here comes the legal posturing. The continuation of a well documented trail showing the Giants are continuing BAU.

If the Winkieleaks are true and can be proven, he’ll be on the defensive .. no pun.


What does BAU mean?
RE: So doesn’t Wink call their bluff and show up for work?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2024 9:45 am : link
In comment 16357492 SomeFan said:
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What would Giants do then?


That's when things would get super juicy.

Enter Taylor Swift, our new senior defensive coordinator.
this is all pretty entertaining  
Dave on the UWS : 1/10/2024 9:47 am : link
Its all PR stuff and will play out not in Wink's favor.
I agree with Eric that the team is probably using back channels to look into replacements.
At least, this keeps me engaged.
Dave  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2024 9:48 am : link
Problem I have is that I have a million things to do to update the website. And yet I keep refreshing the Forum every 30 seconds to learn the latest!
RE: So doesn’t Wink call their bluff and show up for work?  
ThomasG : 1/10/2024 9:48 am : link
In comment 16357492 SomeFan said:
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What would Giants do then?


OMG, please let that happen.

It would be like Housewives from East Rutherford NJ
 
christian : 1/10/2024 9:48 am : link
Team Wink 100% has already indicated to the Giants counsel he's ready to return to work.

Today either ends in a good faith resolution, or a game of chicken.
RE: Is Pat Hanlon outside Winks house holding up a radio  
Mayo2JZ : 1/10/2024 9:50 am : link
In comment 16357416 Rich_Houston_1971 said:
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and playing a Peter Gabriel song?


Hahaha good one!
If Wink doesn't show up to work he should be suspended without pay  
Metnut : 1/10/2024 9:50 am : link
just like would happen to the rest of us.
The question is, what happens if Wink does nothing  
Section331 : 1/10/2024 9:51 am : link
but hand out in FL? I’m sure at some point he would be expected to show up for team meetings, and if he doesn’t, they can fire him for cause, but how long would that take?

I understand what the Giants are doing here, but there are ways that Wink can string things along that could seriously handicap how the Giants move forward. Given that Wink’s Giants career is almost certainly over, they could miss out on the opportunity to interview the better DC candidates.

I guess make sure that Henderson and Patterson are resigned for next year, and one of them can become the DC if no better candidates are left, but yeah, what a shitshow.
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robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2024 9:52 am : link


Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out ...
RE: This is Pat Hanlon pulling strings  
Section331 : 1/10/2024 9:53 am : link
In comment 16357344 Ben in Tampa said:
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I’m SHOCKED it was Garafolo who got the scoop. /s

Giants are unleashing their full media savvy on Wink right now.


Yeah, and as Eric pointed out yesterday, be very concerned if Pat Hanlon is the one pulling the strings here. My guess (hope?) is that he’s simply carrying out Schoen’s orders.
RE: BTW  
Section331 : 1/10/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16357350 Eric from BBI said:
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I may be dead wrong, but I don't see how this prevents the team from reaching out to other DC prospects right now. What they say publicly is not what they are doing privately.


I think they’d have to do it very privately. I would think that any conversations with a DC candidate could be grounds for termination of Wink’s contract.
RE: RE: What a joke  
Blue21 : 1/10/2024 9:55 am : link
In comment 16357402 Joey in VA said:
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Garafolo is such a Giants mouthpiece. They don’t want Wink back.

Not even close to true.
I m sure he knows it but wants to add the drama to it. Plus Giants want him to sound like they do for legal purposes and PR purposes. He s playing along..
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CoughlinHandsonHips : 1/10/2024 9:55 am : link
Wink playing checkers, while the gmen playing chess here.

Wink marches out with his "24" clipboard, while Gmen drill down into the language of the contract

Very laughable.
RE: RE: What a joke  
US1 Giants : 1/10/2024 9:56 am : link
In comment 16357402 Joey in VA said:
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In comment 16357373 TyreeHelmet said:


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Garafolo is such a Giants mouthpiece. They don’t want Wink back.

Not even close to true.


Their lawyers probably told them to pretend to still want Wink.
RE: RE: BTW  
robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2024 9:57 am : link
In comment 16357526 Section331 said:
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In comment 16357350 Eric from BBI said:


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I may be dead wrong, but I don't see how this prevents the team from reaching out to other DC prospects right now. What they say publicly is not what they are doing privately.



I think they’d have to do it very privately. I would think that any conversations with a DC candidate could be grounds for termination of Wink’s contract.


There is also a code amongst coaches though. It is a bad look to be interviewing for a job that isn't open. Other than that, nothing is really stopping them.
Wink needs to pull the George Costanza  
Stu11 : 1/10/2024 9:57 am : link
and just waltz into the next off season meeting and be like "wait, you thought I was serious when i said I quit?"
RE: RE: RE: Another wrinkle. This is getting more and more absurd  
Mayo2JZ : 1/10/2024 9:58 am : link
In comment 16357454 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 16357372 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 16357368 Ira said:


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It's not "getting more absurd"... this is the same position they were taking yesterday. It's just being reiterated today.

They are calling Wink's bluff.



It's actually a smart decision by the Giants. Martindale can't talk to any other team because if any other team speaks with him, they will be tampering.


But I’m sure teams do this ALL THE TIME. There is no way to know what is going on “behind the scenes” and extremely difficult to prove tampering charges unless it’s so obvious. If it were, there would be a plethora of tampering charges each year.
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I am Ninja : 1/10/2024 9:59 am : link
I would think there's a competitive advantage to having an intimate familiarity with the other teams defensive coordinator.
RE: the only  
Section331 : 1/10/2024 9:59 am : link
In comment 16357385 Eric from BBI said:
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thing that would make this better is if Taylor Swift and Kelce somehow get involved.


Trade Wink for Kelce and maybe a DC to be named later? Taylor would look better in Giant blue.
 
christian : 1/10/2024 10:03 am : link
I can right the lead paragraph right now.

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After a tense 48 hours that saw now former Giants defensive coordinator Wink Martindale storm out of a meeting with head coach Brian Daboll, both sides have come to an agreement. Martindale will resign and receive his full $3 million dollar salary for 2024 in exchange for not being able to coach for an NFC East division rival.

Despite leading a disappointing 26th ranked defense last season, the 60-year-old Martindale is a highly respected coach, and instilled enough fear in his former team, they maneuvered around the prospect of not facing him twice a year.
BAU  
JonC : 1/10/2024 10:03 am : link
= business as usual.

MG is not an NYG mouthpiece, pay attention.
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Mayo2JZ : 1/10/2024 10:05 am : link
In comment 16357519 robbieballs2003 said:
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Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So he won't be receiving a paycheck anymore, so it'll just work itself out ...


Hahaha outstanding!!
RE: RE: RE: Another wrinkle. This is getting more and more absurd  
Section331 : 1/10/2024 10:06 am : link
In comment 16357454 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 16357372 Eric from BBI said:


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In comment 16357368 Ira said:


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It's not "getting more absurd"... this is the same position they were taking yesterday. It's just being reiterated today.

They are calling Wink's bluff.



It's actually a smart decision by the Giants. Martindale can't talk to any other team because if any other team speaks with him, they will be tampering.


True, but there are ways around it. Wink’s agents can talk to other teams about other clients of theirs, and then ask on the sly, “are you in the market for a DC? Asking for a friend.”
RE: ......  
christian : 1/10/2024 10:07 am : link
In comment 16357530 CoughlinHandsonHips said:
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Wink playing checkers, while the gmen playing chess here.

Wink marches out with his "24" clipboard, while Gmen drill down into the language of the contract

Very laughable.


They haven't pulled off a queen's gambit if they pay him most or all of his salary and he's the defensive coordinator of his hometown Bengals in two weeks.

I'm not calling a victory quite yet.
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