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Thibodeaux says Barkley should have been paid before Jones

Sean : 1/25/2024 4:07 pm
This is from a recent podcast he was on.


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RE: What a fucking idiot!  
djm : 1/25/2024 4:44 pm : link
In comment 16377903 Tittle 9 20 64 said:
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Giants better get their house in order.


It's noise. The Giants need to do one thing and one thing only: Win. Nothing else will matter, including this shit.
RE: RE: They tried to pay him  
Tom in NY : 1/25/2024 4:45 pm : link
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Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.



That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.

They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.


So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.
RE: RE: RE: This is not nothing  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/25/2024 4:45 pm : link
In comment 16377959 Sean said:
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to John Mara.

I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.

Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.



Thibs and #6 pick to CHI.

Is that enough, or do we need to add a 2nd rounder?


More. Thibs, #6 and a 2025 first. And I'd do it.


Definitely.
RE: RE: This is not nothing  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/25/2024 4:46 pm : link
In comment 16377955 ajr2456 said:
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to John Mara.

I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.

Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.



Trading the better player for saying something publicly, because of an organizational mistake and failure is exactly why the Giants are in the spot they are.

Feelings over results.


For a shot at the QB they want? Talking about trading up to 1 in the draft.
RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Tom in NY : 1/25/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16377951 Sean said:
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.


You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:

“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game.
Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: They tried to pay him  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2024 4:50 pm : link
In comment 16377970 Tom in NY said:
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Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.



That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.

They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.



So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.


No they shouldn’t have, but Saqoun also didn’t have to just take it.
RE: RE: RE: This is not nothing  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 4:52 pm : link
In comment 16377968 SirLoinOfBeef said:
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to John Mara.

I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.

Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.



I think you are overreacting to this a bit

I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part

At the same point and time….trading him over this?…eriously doubt that



So you wouldn't trade KT (and picks) to move up to the number 1 spot in the draft?


Huh?
One literally has nothing to do with the other

You claimed that Mara could be so upset by this that he could trade him

That has literally nothing to do with including him in a package for the #1 pick

Total subject change

As aside note…let’s remember that Accorsi would not include Osi in the trade for Eli



I guess the rot on this team is bigger  
Sec 103 : 1/25/2024 4:52 pm : link
than suspected.
Couple that with the product the NFL is putting out and it may make sense to look into other entertainment during the fall
RE: The Jones/Barkley era needs to be over  
cosmicj : 1/25/2024 4:55 pm : link
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I hope this helps push things in that direction.


Agreed. This shouldn’t have said this but, now that he did, it’s a good thing.

Which would be better? Saquon’s $30mm contract and tag for Jones or Jones for $160mm and a tag for Saquon.

KT is right.
RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
cosmicj : 1/25/2024 4:56 pm : link
In comment 16377951 Sean said:
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.


+1. Keep it coming, Sean.
RE: RE: RE: RE: This is not nothing  
SirLoinOfBeef : 1/25/2024 4:57 pm : link
In comment 16377983 Mbavaro said:
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to John Mara.

I guarantee he's upset with KT. Possibly to the point of trading.

Could be a blessing in disguise for the upcoming draft perhaps.



I think you are overreacting to this a bit

I’ll agree that KT should not have done this….stupid move on his part

At the same point and time….trading him over this?…eriously doubt that



So you wouldn't trade KT (and picks) to move up to the number 1 spot in the draft?



Huh?
One literally has nothing to do with the other

You claimed that Mara could be so upset by this that he could trade him

That has literally nothing to do with including him in a package for the #1 pick

Total subject change

As aside note…let’s remember that Accorsi would not include Osi in the trade for Eli




Fair enough. What I meant to say was this could initiate a discussion between Schoen for a trade up to the No.1 spot.

Not just moving him for a bag of donuts and a hot pretzel.

Right or wrong  
Biteymax22 : 1/25/2024 4:59 pm : link
Not the type of comment I want to hear coming from a player on the team.
RE: RE: RE: RE: They tried to pay him  
Tom in NY : 1/25/2024 5:00 pm : link
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Barkley wouldn't take it. It does take two. I was on the fence about it before but now I would be okay including LT in a trade up for the right QB.



That’s not entirely true. Saqoun wanted more than what the Giants were willing to offer.

They tried to pay him what the Giants wanted to.



So they should pay him what he wanted?
No RB got paid top $$ last offseason, and SB is likely to not get what the Giants offered him last year. RB's are perishable, with a very specific shelf life. Players and fans don't want to hear it, but RBs fall off a cliff after year 7 in the NFL.
Something SB is about to learn, and KT hasn't been around long enough to understand.



No they shouldn’t have, but Saqoun also didn’t have to just take it.


Well, how did it work out for him not taking it?
Or just about every other FA RB this past offseason?
Will SB make up the money he turned down this coming offseason?

So, yeah, he should have taken it unless you see a path to him getting that money 1 year and 1 injury later.
Regardless of how you feel about Thibs talking out loud  
M.S. : 1/25/2024 5:01 pm : link

about a topic that he probably should have stayed quiet about, you can take it to the bank that if he is saying something like this in public, then a lot of players on the team must have felt the same way.

And that doesn't exactly make for an ideal locker room which surely doesn't help the team win football games!
How did it work out for the Giants?  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2024 5:01 pm : link
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He's far from the only one  
JonC : 1/25/2024 5:03 pm : link
and it showed quickly on the field.
Sports teams are meritocracies.  
cosmicj : 1/25/2024 5:04 pm : link
This is holding John Mara and Schoen accountable.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/25/2024 5:05 pm : link
Two things:

1) He is right.

&

2) He is an idiot saying this publicly.
This question is for anti-Jones posters  
cosmicj : 1/25/2024 5:07 pm : link
I understand it was a PR slip, but why is it bad that Thibs said this in public? It’s the truth isn’t it?
Shouldn’t have paid either  
GiantsRage2007 : 1/25/2024 5:09 pm : link
The sooner we move on from both the better.

Let’s see how KT does with a new DC also. We’ll find out soon if he’s worth paying too.
 
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/25/2024 5:13 pm : link
The offseasons are more interesting and entertaining than the regular season.
RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/25/2024 5:16 pm : link
In comment 16377980 Tom in NY said:
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



You might want to see his full quote....it looks like you may have jumped the gun with your conclusion:

“I believe in Daniel Jones. What I'm mad about is that Saquon – because if you look at the game, the tape, Saquon was responsible for at least 30 percent of our explosive plays, talking about the year [2022] we won the playoff game. Ryan Dunleavy Twitter - ( New Window )


nothing wrong with saying you believe in the guy but not enough to think he's better than the other guy.
SFGFNCGiantsFan said it best...  
bw in dc : 1/25/2024 5:18 pm : link
NYG is way more entertaining in the offseason...
Money talks  
Milton : 1/25/2024 5:19 pm : link
Bullshit walks
RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Manhattan : 1/25/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16377951 Sean said:
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.


Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.
RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 5:25 pm : link
In comment 16378049 Manhattan said:
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.


You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I

Yea look how the rest of the league  
ajr2456 : 1/25/2024 5:26 pm : link
Talks about jones and his contract. There’s bound to be players on his own team that feel the same way
I'm sorry  
Biteymax22 : 1/25/2024 5:27 pm : link
but I just think its funny that Mara has always been so worried about a coach losing the fans and the team yet here we are in a situation where its actually his quarterback who has seemed to have "lost everyone".
The 2024 season tickets are here...  
bw in dc : 1/25/2024 5:29 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Manhattan : 1/25/2024 5:31 pm : link
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.



You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I


We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 5:35 pm : link
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.



You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I




We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.


Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems

And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do
RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 5:37 pm : link
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.



You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I




We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.


And by the way…Barkley got shafted?….thats one hell of an imagination you have as the team approached him BEFORE Jones with an extension offer during the 22 season
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ThomasG : 1/25/2024 5:38 pm : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/25/2024 5:38 pm : link
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And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do

That's interesting...
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Manhattan : 1/25/2024 5:39 pm : link
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.



You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I




We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.



Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems

And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do



“The dude did not want to throw the ball,” one 49ers defender told Silver, shaking his head. “Early on, you could tell it wasn’t gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was.”

Jones struggled early on in his NFL career and was susceptible to turnovers. The 49ers' defense was hungry for takeaways and came away with just one, a fourth-quarter interception tipped into the hands of safety Talanoa Hufanga.

“Hell yeah, we were trying to get that b---h,” linebacker Dre Greenlaw told Silver — referring to the football. “A lot of people who make all that money don’t even deserve it. I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he’s not bad. And if you ain’t got nothing better …”


[urlhttps://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/daniel-jones-contract-blasted-49ers-defenders/1657309/[/url

RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 5:39 pm : link
In comment 16378074 Gatorade Dunk said:
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And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do


That's interesting...



Whst does that mean?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 5:41 pm : link
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You could feel the tide turning towards Tyrod Taylor after the WSH game. I think Schoen knows he needs to bring in a legit QB.



Jones wasn't the locker room's guy, he was management's guy. The league doesn't respect Jones. Player comments make that clear. Isn't the Giants locker room part of the league? Let's get real. Mara and Schoen put this team in quite a position.



You’re so full of it
You have literally no idea what the locker room feels and neither do I




We know players around the league have disparaged Jones and his deal. You don't think players on the Giants hear this or maybe think the same way? Why wouldn't they? They gave a poor player a mega contract and shafted the best offensive player on the team. Barkley is the Giants' talismanic player. And KT's comments are an indication of where the locker room is. You can't fool players.



Maybe if you bothered to read the entire quote it isn’t as bad as it seems

And again….speculation is not fact Producer….you have no idea….none of us do




“The dude did not want to throw the ball,” one 49ers defender told Silver, shaking his head. “Early on, you could tell it wasn’t gonna happen. Everything was a checkdown. At that point, we knew what time it was.”

Jones struggled early on in his NFL career and was susceptible to turnovers. The 49ers' defense was hungry for takeaways and came away with just one, a fourth-quarter interception tipped into the hands of safety Talanoa Hufanga.

“Hell yeah, we were trying to get that b---h,” linebacker Dre Greenlaw told Silver — referring to the football. “A lot of people who make all that money don’t even deserve it. I think they took a chance [when they paid him]. I mean, he’s not bad. And if you ain’t got nothing better …”


[urlhttps://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/daniel-jones-contract-blasted-49ers-defenders/1657309/[/url


And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room
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Manhattan : 1/25/2024 5:43 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Manhattan : 1/25/2024 5:46 pm : link
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And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room


So players around the league trash Jones. And then KT says Barkley deserved to be paid first, not Jones, and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room doesn't deserve the bag? Okay..
KT  
NJLCO : 1/25/2024 5:46 pm : link
Yes he’s young. Learning experience maybe but he has a lot to prove moving forward. Either way there’s no point to call out who should have gotten paid.
Stick up for SB and state your opinion but why bring up Jones contract.
Kim Jones weighing in  
Sean : 1/25/2024 5:49 pm : link
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Kim Jones
@KimJonesSports
The locker room always knows…🏈
RE: Sounds like the cigarettes talking  
GiantTuff1 : 1/25/2024 5:49 pm : link
In comment 16377895 Mad Mike said:
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LOL
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Manhattan : 1/25/2024 5:50 pm : link
and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room think Jones doesn't deserve the bag?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The locker room is done with Jones imo  
Mbavaro : 1/25/2024 5:50 pm : link
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And that has literally nothing to do with what goes on inside the GIANTS locker room



So players around the league trash Jones. And then KT says Barkley deserved to be paid first, not Jones, and you don't think there's a chance players in Giants locker room doesn't deserve the bag? Okay..


Read the entire quote
And again…for the 3rd time….nobody has any idea how the locker room feels

Tell me again how Barkley got shafted when he was offered an extension before Jones….that is a fact

Assumed narratives are just that
RE: I've got lots of Oregon Duck friends  
GiantTuff1 : 1/25/2024 5:50 pm : link
In comment 16377908 Go Terps said:
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When the Giants drafted Thibodeaux they all told me he was the kind of guy that would talk a lot and probably had an eye on his post-football career.

I hated the pick at the time, though I can't deny he's had times where he's been a very effective pass rusher. I'm just saying, if trading up for Daniels were a possibility...

I would trade Thibideaux in 1 nanosecond if it meant we can secure Jayden Daniels.
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GiantTuff1 : 1/25/2024 5:51 pm : link
In comment 16377943 SoZKillA said:
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I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.

+100
One of the main arguments for keeping Saquon  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/25/2024 5:51 pm : link
That I've seen is "you need him for his leadership"

Now this gets evidenced by a player in the locker room, and it's "you can't know what the locker room is thinking".

Weird.
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Go Terps : 1/25/2024 5:55 pm : link
A locker room with good leadership probably doesn't have this come out at all.
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bw in dc : 1/25/2024 5:57 pm : link
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I hope Saquon and DJ never play a down for the Giants again. I can’t for this era to be OVER. Dave Gettleman is a fucking bafoon and John Mara is an even bigger idiot for putting this franchise in this situation.


X infinity


I corrected your math.
He is dumb AND wrong  
averagejoe : 1/25/2024 5:58 pm : link
they should not have signed either . The Jones/Barkley era should have ended last year. The rebuild begins when Jones/Barkley ends . They will be remembered like Horace Clarke is remembered. For futility .
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