In his latest podcast around the 19 minutes and 59 seconds mark he questions the idea that Bill Belichick would be eager to return to the Giants in some capacity.
Says he’s been told “multiple times in the last 5 to 7 years” that Bill Belichick is not a fan of how the front office is currently run and has advised people to “stay away”
Raanan specifically mentions Tim McDonnell, John Mara’s nephew being “high on the personnel list”.
I've said it before, but as Belichick has gotten older he's operated similarly to what Mara has been criticized for - overly loyal, exclusive & hasn't been able to adapt.
Was Belichick turning over every stone to bring in the best OC the last two years? He wasn't.
Well, except for Rooney and Kate, who actually achieved something on their own.
Same BS….different day
You have no idea and neither does anybody else despite the innuendo you created in your head
You were much more entertaining when playing the race card
Well, except for Rooney and Kate, who actually achieved something on their own.
I have a funny feeling that the fact The Giants are co-owned by a Hollywood Producer would have been helpful to Rooney and Kate.
Some surmised Judge was BB's Trojan Horse to send NYG into a deeper tailspin.
I remember when Judge got the pink slip and cameras caught him celebrating at his house with many cases of beer. Mission accomplished...? ;)
While I agree with your sentiment completely, why are we taking ass clown Raanans word for anything? This story wreaks of bullshit just like everything that Raanan claims. Belichick specifically recommended Judge for the job. Him and Judge are obviously close. Then he texted the wrong Brian to congratulate him on getting the Giants HC job. Do these things seem like something that someone that has been warning everyone on the planet about not taking jobs with the Giants would do?
No thanks to Bill. Find another team.
Yep. It's clear Wink had Raanan in his pocket.
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Belichick needs to keep his fucking nose out of the Giants business. He's the dolt who told Mara Judge was better than "the other guys they've had" and got the Giants embroiled in the Flores drama.
Some surmised Judge was BB's Trojan Horse to send NYG into a deeper tailspin.
I remember when Judge got the pink slip and cameras caught him celebrating at his house with many cases of beer. Mission accomplished...? ;)
Not exactly accurate….shocking
He invited all of the coaches over with their families to thank them for their efforts
Yea….I'm sure he was celebrating losing his job and uprooting his family
Not exactly accurate….shocking
He invited all of the coaches over with their families to thank them for their efforts
Yea….I'm sure he was celebrating losing his job and uprooting his family
Try having a sense of humor for a few minutes.
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Not exactly accurate….shocking
He invited all of the coaches over with their families to thank them for their efforts
Yea….I'm sure he was celebrating losing his job and uprooting his family
Try having a sense of humor for a few minutes.
Nice spin
Raanan is a hack.
& hell-if gun to head RN-I think BB is our HC in '25 if Joe & Dabs don't get a legit QB.
Nice spin
See the " ;) " I put in my original post.
Or do you need me to define what the means?
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Not exactly accurate….shocking
He invited all of the coaches over with their families to thank them for their efforts
Yea….I'm sure he was celebrating losing his job and uprooting his family
Try having a sense of humor for a few minutes.
Nice spin
I still BB can coach. I don't want him as GM, but as HC for a couple of years? Sure, why not? He's the GOAT.
Love bill but he is not a great GM as others have said. Giants may not be perfect but there are 4 superbowls and several good draft picks—some awful ones.
Look around at how most of these teams are run. Very few have an ideal structure.
This is what we got and it has worked before—hopefully it will again.
Raanan doesn't get the info like he used to so he's mad at the organization.
Exactly.
This doesn't pass the smell test.
Both Daboll and Judge worked for years for Belichick.
We are Giants fans and are rightfully a bit skewed towards the team, but both Parcells and Belichick left on bad terms. The concerns about power stuggle/meddling go way back to 1990 when Parcells took off. And we all know they didn't believe in Belichick as the replacement.
They both like complete control and they know the Giants are the opposite of that. Mara's hinted at it plenty. I remember him saying about Tom Coughlin: "We gave him more say than almost any coach we've ever had." And after Eli-gate, he came out and said (paraphrasing) "who the QB of this team is, is my decision".
We all know this is the reason we haven't had a big time, top tier Head Coach or GM here in a long, long time.
Raanan is such a tool and has always been a hack...weird how some on here actually take him seriously...
If the Giants were lacing up tomorrow, all the focus would be there.
I remember the day before the 2011 NFCC like it was yesterday.
We are Giants fans and are rightfully a bit skewed towards the team, but both Parcells and Belichick left on bad terms. The concerns about power stuggle/meddling go way back to 1990 when Parcells took off. And we all know they didn't believe in Belichick as the replacement.
They both like complete control and they know the Giants are the opposite of that. Mara's hinted at it plenty. I remember him saying about Tom Coughlin: "We gave him more say than almost any coach we've ever had." And after Eli-gate, he came out and said (paraphrasing) "who the QB of this team is, is my decision".
We all know this is the reason we haven't had a big time, top tier Head Coach or GM here in a long, long time.
So two guys who worked intimately for Belichick for years ignored him? Yeah, I'm not buying this.
you do realize we have not heard BB say any of this and it is hearsay from fucking Jordan of all people. The worst NYG reporter whose sole purpose is to stir up shit.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
If I understand this right, the report is: BB doesn't like the way the Giants' front office is structured now. That means he can love the Giants organization he worked for, love Wellington Mara and Bill Parcells and the assistant coaches and trainers and players and maybe even George Young, who didn't believe in them, but think that John Mara and his family are the problem with the organization and working with them sets people up for failure.
That may very well be true, based on the results we've been seeing.
you do realize we have not heard BB say any of this and it is hearsay from fucking Jordan of all people. The worst NYG reporter whose sole purpose is to stir up shit.
I have no idea what you are saying.
Ian O'Connor reported Belichick endorsed Joe Judge as better than McAdoo and Shurmur, and Belichick's mishap texting Flores on accident was reported by multiple sources.
Ding ding. We have a winner.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
He justlost his three biggest inside sources. Let the man grieve. 😆
If I understand this right, the report is: BB doesn't like the way the Giants' front office is structured now. That means he can love the Giants organization he worked for, love Wellington Mara and Bill Parcells and the assistant coaches and trainers and players and maybe even George Young, who didn't believe in them, but think that John Mara and his family are the problem with the organization and working with them sets people up for failure.
That may very well be true, based on the results we've been seeing.
BB could have been referring to the Gettleman Era. Because that was a disaster - from the way he was hired to all the atrocious mistakes he made from trying to save Eli to transitioning to Eli. I would imagine the rest of the league could spot the disaster, too...
Perhaps BB was telling his coaches that it was a difficult situation going on at 1925 Giants Way; and they should know what they were walking into. But if they were ready to handle that, fine.
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Belichick seems like a bitchy old queen. I don't doubt he talks out of both sides of his mouth about the Giants.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
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if the story is wrong, or doesn't pass the smell test. Reporters get steered wrong by sources with an ulterior motive. It's happened to me. (The consequences in my case were, That guy's dead to me as a source. Doesn't hurt him much but sometimes people want to get a story out there, usually for legitimate reasons. Nope.)
If I understand this right, the report is: BB doesn't like the way the Giants' front office is structured now. That means he can love the Giants organization he worked for, love Wellington Mara and Bill Parcells and the assistant coaches and trainers and players and maybe even George Young, who didn't believe in them, but think that John Mara and his family are the problem with the organization and working with them sets people up for failure.
That may very well be true, based on the results we've been seeing.
BB could have been referring to the Gettleman Era. Because that was a disaster - from the way he was hired to all the atrocious mistakes he made from trying to save Eli to transitioning to Eli. I would imagine the rest of the league could spot the disaster, too...
Perhaps BB was telling his coaches that it was a difficult situation going on at 1925 Giants Way; and they should know what they were walking into. But if they were ready to handle that, fine.
Should say "...transitioning from Eli..."
I have been in meetings with people who report things out of the same meetings with different understandings of what was said.
Not add in the media and agendas.
Belicheck could have told people if you want totoak control in personnel decisions don’t go to the Giants but if you want to just coaching then it was a great place to be. That could then get reported 20 different ways.
I take it all as an entertainment. It is male sports soap opera and the reporters make their money by clicks.
Just like glaziers report. There was some truth but a skewed story.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
Belichick reportedly traded Garapollo for less than market value in protest of Kraft's relationship with Brady. That didn't appear to me dogmatic about what's best for his team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my inferences.
The Giants are the Mara’s.
If you don’t like one, find another team because this is the way it’s always been, and the way it always will be … at least for our lifetimes.
There’s the Jests, the Iggles, the ‘Boys, the Skins and 27 others, each with their own warts.
Deal with it.
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Belichick seems like a bitchy old queen. I don't doubt he talks out of both sides of his mouth about the Giants.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
Belichick reportedly traded Garapollo for less than market value in protest of Kraft's relationship with Brady. That didn't appear to me dogmatic about what's best for his team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my inferences.
I don’t doubt you are
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
Belichick reportedly traded Garapollo for less than market value in protest of Kraft's relationship with Brady. That didn't appear to me dogmatic about what's best for his team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my inferences.
I don’t doubt you are
Steve, in the limited times we've interacted on this site, you've come off quite unpleasant.
I'd suggest you not interact with me.
If I understand this right, the report is: BB doesn't like the way the Giants' front office is structured now. That means he can love the Giants organization he worked for, love Wellington Mara and Bill Parcells and the assistant coaches and trainers and players and maybe even George Young, who didn't believe in them, but think that John Mara and his family are the problem with the organization and working with them sets people up for failure.
That may very well be true, based on the results we've been seeing.
Right on brother!
The Giants are the Mara’s.
If you don’t like one, find another team because this is the way it’s always been, and the way it always will be … at least for our lifetimes.
There’s the Jests, the Iggles, the ‘Boys, the Skins and 27 others, each with their own warts.
Deal with it.
When I wrote last week that I was losing some enthusiasm because rooting for the Giants felt like rooting for John Mara, I got a bunch of blowback. I agree with you, they are tied together, and for me at least, it's hard to care when the leadership is so inept.
Seemingly liking his time when he was coaching her 30 years ago is different than wanting to coach here now. I'm not going to pretend to know what he wants. But, being objective, this spot, right now, can't be an ideal landing place for him with no QB, no OL, and a little turmoil.
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Belichick seems like a bitchy old queen. I don't doubt he talks out of both sides of his mouth about the Giants.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
Belichick reportedly traded Garapollo for less than market value in protest of Kraft's relationship with Brady. That didn't appear to me dogmatic about what's best for his team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my inferences.
I don’t doubt you are
Steve, in the limited times we've interacted on this site, you've come off quite unpleasant.
I'd suggest you not interact with me.
I don’t come to this site and curse at people or call them names, but if I read something that appears to be baseless it’s not being unpleasant pointing it out. If you’re going to be so opinionated it’s better to not have such a thin skin. But I’m done, you made your point and I’ve made mine, there’s nothing much more to say. We’ll just have to agree to disagree about it. Have a good evening
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
Belichick reportedly traded Garapollo for less than market value in protest of Kraft's relationship with Brady. That didn't appear to me dogmatic about what's best for his team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my inferences.
I don’t doubt you are
Steve, in the limited times we've interacted on this site, you've come off quite unpleasant.
I'd suggest you not interact with me.
I don’t come to this site and curse at people or call them names, but if I read something that appears to be baseless it’s not being unpleasant pointing it out. If you’re going to be so opinionated it’s better to not have such a thin skin. But I’m done, you made your point and I’ve made mine, there’s nothing much more to say. We’ll just have to agree to disagree about it. Have a good evening
Maybe I wasn't clear. I don't value your opinion, and I prefer you not interact with me.
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if the story is wrong, or doesn't pass the smell test. Reporters get steered wrong by sources with an ulterior motive. It's happened to me. (The consequences in my case were, That guy's dead to me as a source. Doesn't hurt him much but sometimes people want to get a story out there, usually for legitimate reasons. Nope.)
If I understand this right, the report is: BB doesn't like the way the Giants' front office is structured now. That means he can love the Giants organization he worked for, love Wellington Mara and Bill Parcells and the assistant coaches and trainers and players and maybe even George Young, who didn't believe in them, but think that John Mara and his family are the problem with the organization and working with them sets people up for failure.
That may very well be true, based on the results we've been seeing.
BB could have been referring to the Gettleman Era. Because that was a disaster - from the way he was hired to all the atrocious mistakes he made from trying to save Eli to transitioning to Eli. I would imagine the rest of the league could spot the disaster, too...
Perhaps BB was telling his coaches that it was a difficult situation going on at 1925 Giants Way; and they should know what they were walking into. But if they were ready to handle that, fine.
Should say "...transitioning from Eli..."
bw, I think you nailed this one.
Judge is clearly a BB favorite.
We know that Judge and Gettleman were in a bad forced marriage...i.e. the definition of disfunction.
Judge, whether we agree or not, was let go after just 2 years and likely shared his concerns about the organization with BB when he returned to NE.
BB doesn't have any feel for how Schoen is changing the front office over the last 24 months, most importantly the scouting.
Very likely this is old news that Jordan is using to grind his axe now that his "inside sources" are out.
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Belichick seems like a bitchy old queen. I don't doubt he talks out of both sides of his mouth about the Giants.
He may come off grouchy to the press and public but I’ve never gotten the impression he wasn’t anything but sincere about anything football related.
I don’t see any basis for your assumption
You must have missed the last decade of reports regarding his relationship with Kraft, his handling of Garapollo, his relationship with Brady, and his reported gaffs regarding the Giants.
How does any of that have anything to do with him talking out of both sides of his mouth?
Opinionated, and dogmatic about what’s best for his team doesn’t mean insincere and full of double talk.
You are inferring a lot from little to nothing at all.
Belichick reportedly traded Garapollo for less than market value in protest of Kraft's relationship with Brady. That didn't appear to me dogmatic about what's best for his team.
I'm perfectly comfortable with my inferences.
I don’t doubt you are
Steve, in the limited times we've interacted on this site, you've come off quite unpleasant.
I'd suggest you not interact with me.
I don’t come to this site and curse at people or call them names, but if I read something that appears to be baseless it’s not being unpleasant pointing it out. If you’re going to be so opinionated it’s better to not have such a thin skin. But I’m done, you made your point and I’ve made mine, there’s nothing much more to say. We’ll just have to agree to disagree about it. Have a good evening
Maybe I wasn't clear. I don't value your opinion, and I prefer you not interact with me.
Haha, you sure are juvenile
Sure they could. It's America.
He could be right. But we shall see.
Why a guy who hasn't worked for the team in 30+ years weighs in on anything related to the Giants is pathetic.
bw, I think you nailed this one.
Judge is clearly a BB favorite.
We know that Judge and Gettleman were in a bad forced marriage...i.e. the definition of disfunction.
Judge, whether we agree or not, was let go after just 2 years and likely shared his concerns about the organization with BB when he returned to NE.
BB doesn't have any feel for how Schoen is changing the front office over the last 24 months, most importantly the scouting.
Very likely this is old news that Jordan is using to grind his axe now that his "inside sources" are out.
The mention of Tim McDonnell does not support the spin that the problem BB sees (allegedly) is old news.
The other angle is being over exaggerated on this thread. Amazing how some can rip people, especially if they have an agenda against someone. Ironic isn’t it?
"Breaking Big Blue"
One is supposed to think it refers to breaking news, but it's actually the destructive act.
The other angle is being over exaggerated on this thread. Amazing how some can rip people, especially if they have an agenda against someone. Ironic isn’t it?
JR's comments about BB begin at 22:55 of the 1/26 podcast at the link. And I don't agree with your spin.
Buy it or not, JR says what he has heard is that BB believes the Giants, currently, are poorly run, and has said as much.
Now, how specifically BB has criticized the Mara family involvement and to what extent JR is connecting dots, can be debated.
But JR does not attribute BB's (alleged) negative view of NYG management to a personal desire for total control.
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This is a typical human reaction in more things than just sports.
However, again, if Belichick has been telling coaches to stay away from the Giants, then why did two guys who worked for him for years ignore him?
It doesn't pass the smell test.
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While discrediting the next written thing. If it fits your mindset it’s gospel. Never mind that so much of this shit is fabricated.
This is a typical human reaction in more things than just sports.
However, again, if Belichick has been telling coaches to stay away from the Giants, then why did two guys who worked for him for years ignore him?
It doesn't pass the smell test.
This is a really good point. Judge, Flores, Daboll, Graham off the top of my head either interviewed for HC or coordinator gigs.
Im just sick of the slime that has become the modern media. Sure, add your opinion, but don't relabel your opinion implying facts. Ive never been able to quite understand how these shallow, unethical hacks can keep high level jobs in such an industry. Sure, I get that clicks equal dollars and being provicative/controversial leads to clicks. But so does intelligent, well-thought out and entertaining content. Instead,we are left with Skip Bayless, Stephen A, Josina Anderson, Jason Whitlock and many more who are piss poor journalists who rely on loudness, creating controversy and having their topic framed by racial implications. Its unfortunate that it has gotten to the point that you really have to look into who you read or listen to these days
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Belichick needs to keep his fucking nose out of the Giants business. He's the dolt who told Mara Judge was better than "the other guys they've had" and got the Giants embroiled in the Flores drama.
you do realize we have not heard BB say any of this and it is hearsay from fucking Jordan of all people. The worst NYG reporter whose sole purpose is to stir up shit.
I have no idea what you are saying.
Ian O'Connor reported Belichick endorsed Joe Judge as better than McAdoo and Shurmur, and Belichick's mishap texting Flores on accident was reported by multiple sources.
I intended to quote the OP.. not what I actually quoted. My response was about Jordan saying that BB warned people not to work for the Giants.
Reminds me of the time in 2017 where he wrote an article about the 15 players he expected Giants to consider drafting in round 1 and Evan Engram wasn’t on the list.
Good points made about Bill and Judge's relationship. I actually though the Giants were pretty fair with him and to me he seemed to have a good amount of say with personnel both with players and even a bit in the front office. Mara also was reported to wanting to stay with him and Tisch forced the issue.
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While discrediting the next written thing. If it fits your mindset it’s gospel. Never mind that so much of this shit is fabricated.
This is a typical human reaction in more things than just sports.
However, again, if Belichick has been telling coaches to stay away from the Giants, then why did two guys who worked for him for years ignore him?
It doesn't pass the smell test.
This was a direct quote from Joe judge to what Belichick told him prior to his interview with the giants.
“He’s always been very fond of the Giants organization from his time here. It’s just a place you can tell is very special to him,” Judge said. “He said it’s a great place, you definitely want to go meet these people.”
And Belichick hired him back after he was let go. Everything that Belichick has done and said publicly has shown his feelings about the Giants
Also watch the 2 bills when Parcells and belichick walked through giants stadium together. You can clearly see the affection he has and for a man who rarely says much, he always speaks glowingly about the Giants.
I would rather take the actual words and actions of individuals than voices in the head of someone who likes to create BS where none exist
It’s plausible he could have warned Judge & Daboll to stay away, but after they made their own decisions as men, he circled back to say congratulations.
Likewise he could be emotional about his early career here and like the people, without thinking it’s a good place for a coach to operate.
Whatever the case, he lost 2 Super Bowls to the Giants when they were operating much the same way.
I like my coaches the way I’d like my US presidents to be. Not over the hill and past their prime.
...“That doesn’t mean Bill Belichick doesn’t love the Giants and appreciate everything they’ve done for him and have great memories.”
...“He’s directly told that to people — be careful about the organization and their setup and the way it’s run. That’s happened,” Raanan said. “So, yes, Bill Belichick loves the New York Football Giants, the organization, and the memories he has from the past. It doesn’t mean he’s bats— crazy in love with the Giants organization right now.”
So he thinks the Giants are currently a poorly run organization. Who can argue that?
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it worked
Have another drink.
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"Over the years, Bill Belichick has given advice to people . . . that he didn’t really like the setup of the Giants organization. Like, he didn’t think the Giants (were) this great organization,” Raanan said. “Bill Belichick, like everybody else watching from the outside (and) watching the way it’s set up, doesn’t think — at least this is what I’ve heard — it’s this great organization in its current iteration...
...“That doesn’t mean Bill Belichick doesn’t love the Giants and appreciate everything they’ve done for him and have great memories.”
...“He’s directly told that to people — be careful about the organization and their setup and the way it’s run. That’s happened,” Raanan said. “So, yes, Bill Belichick loves the New York Football Giants, the organization, and the memories he has from the past. It doesn’t mean he’s bats— crazy in love with the Giants organization right now.”
So he thinks the Giants are currently a poorly run organization. Who can argue that?
Why is it tough to argue it is wrong?? Raanan is using fictional interactions with Belicheck to promote his own opinion. This is a guy who doesn't give a shit about journalistic integrity and hasn't since even before he left the Ledger.
But hey - if it's negative about the Giants, get on board Hoss. It's what you do. Day after fucking day.
Losers play the race card
Go beck to cheering when DJ got hurt
Mayve it is time to teach the pony a new trick??
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"Over the years, Bill Belichick has given advice to people . . . that he didn’t really like the setup of the Giants organization. Like, he didn’t think the Giants (were) this great organization,” Raanan said. “Bill Belichick, like everybody else watching from the outside (and) watching the way it’s set up, doesn’t think — at least this is what I’ve heard — it’s this great organization in its current iteration...
...“That doesn’t mean Bill Belichick doesn’t love the Giants and appreciate everything they’ve done for him and have great memories.”
...“He’s directly told that to people — be careful about the organization and their setup and the way it’s run. That’s happened,” Raanan said. “So, yes, Bill Belichick loves the New York Football Giants, the organization, and the memories he has from the past. It doesn’t mean he’s bats— crazy in love with the Giants organization right now.”
So he thinks the Giants are currently a poorly run organization. Who can argue that?
I don't even see what's so controversial or even particularly negative about what was said here. If I'm a coach, you're vetting organizations and figure out if you can make it work for yourself.
It's not like he made the Mara's out to be Dan Snyder or Dave Tepper, or the Jets. Those flaws are workable.
The 'great' franchises (BAL or PIT, for example) simply don't have openings. There are flaws everywhere else.
okay so now you are calling John Mara a racist.
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Of shit of an owner and the only reason we have 2 rings with this piece of shit is because of Coughlin. The worst thong to have is a stupid owner who thinks he is smart. To those who are hoping for any of the Black QB's, forget it. This guy will never have anyone but a good boy, a good white boy as thr face of this franchise. I guarantee that. Is there smother owner who would have paid Jobes, a garbage QB that contract. Not a single owner.
okay so now you are calling John Mara a racist.
Not the first time he has done that and he isn’t the only one
That’s how twisted a few people are here
More interesting is the Parcells, Young, Fassel story.
Ban this poster. What a horrible post.
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It was their shot at being a Head Coach. They are young married men with kids. Neither one of them was in a position to just reject a big opportunity.
Sure they could. It's America.
Economic pressure is a real thing.
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Of shit of an owner and the only reason we have 2 rings with this piece of shit is because of Coughlin. The worst thong to have is a stupid owner who thinks he is smart. To those who are hoping for any of the Black QB's, forget it. This guy will never have anyone but a good boy, a good white boy as thr face of this franchise. I guarantee that. Is there smother owner who would have paid Jobes, a garbage QB that contract. Not a single owner.
okay so now you are calling John Mara a racist.
Not the first time he has done that and he isn’t the only one
That’s how twisted a few people are here
Last team to have a black starting QB.
That's a fact.
Why, is where we get the racist speculation.
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In comment 16381786 DefenseWins said:
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In comment 16381467 PaulN said:
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Of shit of an owner and the only reason we have 2 rings with this piece of shit is because of Coughlin. The worst thong to have is a stupid owner who thinks he is smart. To those who are hoping for any of the Black QB's, forget it. This guy will never have anyone but a good boy, a good white boy as thr face of this franchise. I guarantee that. Is there smother owner who would have paid Jobes, a garbage QB that contract. Not a single owner.
okay so now you are calling John Mara a racist.
Not the first time he has done that and he isn’t the only one
That’s how twisted a few people are here
Last team to have a black starting QB.
That's a fact.
Why, is where we get the racist speculation.
No.. that is where the minds of fools go. Weren't we one of the first teams to have a black GM? Have the Maras NOT embraced Ronnie Barnes as family and actually had him by Wellington's bedside the entire time when he was living out his last days?
Let's also be clear that the face of the franchise has been Barkley, not Jones.
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In comment 16381911 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16381786 DefenseWins said:
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In comment 16381467 PaulN said:
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Of shit of an owner and the only reason we have 2 rings with this piece of shit is because of Coughlin. The worst thong to have is a stupid owner who thinks he is smart. To those who are hoping for any of the Black QB's, forget it. This guy will never have anyone but a good boy, a good white boy as thr face of this franchise. I guarantee that. Is there smother owner who would have paid Jobes, a garbage QB that contract. Not a single owner.
okay so now you are calling John Mara a racist.
Not the first time he has done that and he isn’t the only one
That’s how twisted a few people are here
Last team to have a black starting QB.
That's a fact.
Why, is where we get the racist speculation.
No.. that is where the minds of fools go. Weren't we one of the first teams to have a black GM? Have the Maras NOT embraced Ronnie Barnes as family and actually had him by Wellington's bedside the entire time when he was living out his last days?
Let's also be clear that the face of the franchise has been Barkley, not Jones.
I didn't say it was my speculation.
He isn’t the only poster to do this
Terps did the sane thing in another thread about a week ago
Paul should be gone.
Paul should be gone.
He sure did
Lol, that's an article about the same Ranaan quote. They are referencing the same source. You got that, right?
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Blatantly came out and said this? Not sure about that, but these types of posts I thought were prohibited here.
Paul should be gone.
He sure did
Do you want to provide a link?
I know posters like Terps and bw will sometimes "hint" at things like this, but it's always phrased where there is some "plausible deniability" about the point they are trying to make.
Annoying, yes. But to come out blatantly and say it like Paul? If so, then yes, action needs to be taken.
Posts like Paul's should not be tolerated. He should be banned.
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In comment 16382231 IchabodGiant said:
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Blatantly came out and said this? Not sure about that, but these types of posts I thought were prohibited here.
Paul should be gone.
He sure did
Do you want to provide a link?
I know posters like Terps and bw will sometimes "hint" at things like this, but it's always phrased where there is some "plausible deniability" about the point they are trying to make.
Annoying, yes. But to come out blatantly and say it like Paul? If so, then yes, action needs to be taken.
Posts like Paul's should not be tolerated. He should be banned.
It happened a few weeks ago
I’ll have to try and find it
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In comment 16382237 Mbavaro said:
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In comment 16382231 IchabodGiant said:
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Blatantly came out and said this? Not sure about that, but these types of posts I thought were prohibited here.
Paul should be gone.
He sure did
Do you want to provide a link?
I know posters like Terps and bw will sometimes "hint" at things like this, but it's always phrased where there is some "plausible deniability" about the point they are trying to make.
Annoying, yes. But to come out blatantly and say it like Paul? If so, then yes, action needs to be taken.
Posts like Paul's should not be tolerated. He should be banned.
It happened a few weeks ago
I’ll have to try and find it
Thanks. Not saying I don't believe you, just never seen anything so blatant posted on here. He should be banned.
Gidie, are you there?
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While discrediting the next written thing. If it fits your mindset it’s gospel. Never mind that so much of this shit is fabricated.
This is a typical human reaction in more things than just sports.
However, again, if Belichick has been telling coaches to stay away from the Giants, then why did two guys who worked for him for years ignore him?
It doesn't pass the smell test.
Of course it doesn't. It's pretty laughable to think a guy who literally GUSHES publictly about the NYG franchise is secretly trying to discredit them all the while countless former coaches under his watch still come here.
There's bullshit and then there is BULLSHIT.
PS, why the fuck would any HC alive go out of their way to burn a bidge when they don't have to? Cmon already.
But who the fuck cares. Even if it's true it isn't working as people are still coming here and Bill isn't infallible. He's been proven wrong many times over lately. Even if he's right, one great draft can change things in a hurry around here.
Nonsense no matter what. Just draft good fucking players because that's the only thing that matters. It really is that simple. Daboll knows how to run an offense. Get him players he will win. Hopefully the right DC is brought in.
The two teams in this Super Bowl are built around head coaches who are program builders. They are teams where the front office serves as support staff to the head coach. It is crystal clear that the buck stops with Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan in these two organizations. It was that way with Belichick in New England, and it's about to be that way with Harbaugh in LA.
Where does the buck stop with the Giants? Can anyone say for sure?
You are correct, but same family, 1925, 6 titles, not some others
The two teams in this Super Bowl are built around head coaches who are program builders. They are teams where the front office serves as support staff to the head coach. It is crystal clear that the buck stops with Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan in these two organizations. It was that way with Belichick in New England, and it's about to be that way with Harbaugh in LA.
Where does the buck stop with the Giants? Can anyone say for sure?
First, I am not sure you are correct re SF. Lynch and Peters before he left seemed to have a very significant say in drafting and other personnel decisions. Does Kyle have a voice? Yes. But I have not seen or read anything that indicates that Kyle calls the shots. What are you basing this opinion on?
Second, I can cite you to multiple times where the structure you advocate has not worked, and multiple times where the structure the Giants use has worked. The Giants are not certainly not the only organization that uses this structure, and it has worked.
First, I am not sure you are correct re SF. Lynch and Peters before he left seemed to have a very significant say in drafting and other personnel decisions. Does Kyle have a voice? Yes. But I have not seen or read anything that indicates that Kyle calls the shots. What are you basing this opinion on?
Shanahan basically "hired" Lynch. That's who he wanted AFTER he was hired first. And Shanahan has final say on all personnel.
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The Giants have a structure where the head coach coaches, the GM buys the groceries, and ownership weighs in on the big ticket items. If asked, the Giants would probably say it's a collaborative approach.
The two teams in this Super Bowl are built around head coaches who are program builders. They are teams where the front office serves as support staff to the head coach. It is crystal clear that the buck stops with Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan in these two organizations. It was that way with Belichick in New England, and it's about to be that way with Harbaugh in LA.
Where does the buck stop with the Giants? Can anyone say for sure?
First, I am not sure you are correct re SF. Lynch and Peters before he left seemed to have a very significant say in drafting and other personnel decisions. Does Kyle have a voice? Yes. But I have not seen or read anything that indicates that Kyle calls the shots. What are you basing this opinion on?
Second, I can cite you to multiple times where the structure you advocate has not worked, and multiple times where the structure the Giants use has worked. The Giants are not certainly not the only organization that uses this structure, and it has worked.
The NFL has been around for over a hundred years; at this point you can find an example of anything to support any argument. And I don't think there's any question Shanahan is the boss of the football operation in SF. He isn't the only voice, but he's the boss based on everything I've read or heard.
I'm not saying that it HAS to be one way or the other, though. I'm wondering if there is a best practice - and are the Giants employing it?
Green Bay Packers, 13.
Chicago Bears, 9.
New York Giants, 8.
New England Patriots, 6.
Pittsburgh Steelers, 6.
Dallas Cowboys, 5.
San Francisco 49ers, 5.
Washington Football Team, 5.
And Kate and Rooney
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In comment 16382997 Go Terps said:
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The Giants have a structure where the head coach coaches, the GM buys the groceries, and ownership weighs in on the big ticket items. If asked, the Giants would probably say it's a collaborative approach.
The two teams in this Super Bowl are built around head coaches who are program builders. They are teams where the front office serves as support staff to the head coach. It is crystal clear that the buck stops with Andy Reid and Kyle Shanahan in these two organizations. It was that way with Belichick in New England, and it's about to be that way with Harbaugh in LA.
Where does the buck stop with the Giants? Can anyone say for sure?
First, I am not sure you are correct re SF. Lynch and Peters before he left seemed to have a very significant say in drafting and other personnel decisions. Does Kyle have a voice? Yes. But I have not seen or read anything that indicates that Kyle calls the shots. What are you basing this opinion on?
Second, I can cite you to multiple times where the structure you advocate has not worked, and multiple times where the structure the Giants use has worked. The Giants are not certainly not the only organization that uses this structure, and it has worked.
The NFL has been around for over a hundred years; at this point you can find an example of anything to support any argument. And I don't think there's any question Shanahan is the boss of the football operation in SF. He isn't the only voice, but he's the boss based on everything I've read or heard.
I'm not saying that it HAS to be one way or the other, though. I'm wondering if there is a best practice - and are the Giants employing it?
The best practice appears to be having a pecking order and not having ownership involved in scouting beyond just weighing in on character for high picks/major positions. Some could argue that the issues the Patriots have had post Brady stem from BB being out of touch with today’s game and turning it into nepotism for family and friends. Why SF does well is because Lynch and Shanny can work together and Shanny does respect that the scouts will find the players he needs. BB has serious trust issues.
I have no doubt that's the best structure. The issue is the amount of HC candidates that are good enough to warrant that structure.
I have no doubt that's the best structure. The issue is the amount of HC candidates that are good enough to warrant that structure.
And it backfired in NE post Brady, in Seattle when Mike Holmgren ran everything, etc. The key is that both need to support each other regarding the direction of the team and no going around the other to the ownership.
I have no doubt that's the best structure. The issue is the amount of HC candidates that are good enough to warrant that structure.
And that's exactly where the problem lies. Reid is a top 5 coach ever and Shanahan might end up in that discussion at the end of his career. Reid and Shanahan are outliers, so you cannot structure a decision making process based on teams that have two unicorns.
And for every SF and KC where that works, there are times where it hasnot even with great coaches. I don't think it worked with Belichik and I would argue it didn't even work for Parcells. Parcells had better results when he did the coaching and Young handled personnel.
And it backfired in NE post Brady, in Seattle when Mike Holmgren ran everything, etc. The key is that both need to support each other regarding the direction of the team and no going around the other to the ownership.
And there has been a zillion more failures under the traditional system.
Mike Shanahan called the shots when he was with Denver. Carroll called the shots with Seattle. Walsh called the shots for the 9ers. Holmgren got to a SB calling the shots.
Kyle is now going to his second SB. Belichick went to nine.
I want my HC to have FINAL say on everything player related. He knows exactly what he wants to fit his system and spends every day on the field coaching and developing those players.
I would bet Daboll has forgotten more football than Schoen will ever know.
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And it backfired in NE post Brady, in Seattle when Mike Holmgren ran everything, etc. The key is that both need to support each other regarding the direction of the team and no going around the other to the ownership.
And there has been a zillion more failures under the traditional system.
Mike Shanahan called the shots when he was with Denver. Carroll called the shots with Seattle. Walsh called the shots for the 9ers. Holmgren got to a SB calling the shots.
Kyle is now going to his second SB. Belichick went to nine.
I want my HC to have FINAL say on everything player related. He knows exactly what he wants to fit his system and spends every day on the field coaching and developing those players.
I would bet Daboll has forgotten more football than Schoen will ever know.
For a number of Belichik SBs, wasn't Pioli calling the shots?
I have no doubt that's the best structure. The issue is the amount of HC candidates that are good enough to warrant that structure.
Imo too often because of the nature immense pressure to win coaches take a shorter term view of how a team should be built. Ideally the stability of a long term GM who takes a broader view and a coach more who’s fixated on the present is best. Of course they should be on the same page and work well together but that can be achieved by having the GM hiring a coach who shares his views on team building. A good GM benefits from the perspective he gains from being an arm’s length from the players and games.
For a number of Belichik SBs, wasn't Pioli calling the shots?
No. Pioli was a very good personnel evaluator, but Belichick still had final say. I believe he had final say with the Chiefs, however, when he was hired as their GM.
No surprise there. Just look at the drafts and player development. It's a joke!
Didn't geno smith start some games?
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In comment 16381786 DefenseWins said:
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In comment 16381467 PaulN said:
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Of shit of an owner and the only reason we have 2 rings with this piece of shit is because of Coughlin. The worst thong to have is a stupid owner who thinks he is smart. To those who are hoping for any of the Black QB's, forget it. This guy will never have anyone but a good boy, a good white boy as thr face of this franchise. I guarantee that. Is there smother owner who would have paid Jobes, a garbage QB that contract. Not a single owner.
okay so now you are calling John Mara a racist.
Not the first time he has done that and he isn’t the only one
That’s how twisted a few people are here
Last team to have a black starting QB.
That's a fact.
Why, is where we get the racist speculation.
didn't geno smith start some games?