He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
i have to wonder if daboll/schoen being on a hot seaat without a qb
Will start coming in soon. We have no idea how any of these guys are going to work out. We have no clue if Wilson was the top choice or the 5th choice. Guys that are the "hot name" fail all the time.
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
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In Dennard Wilson's case, #Titans roster isn't any more talented than #Giants. If he went to #Packers or #Rams, that would've been easy to understand from a personnel standpoint.
But TEN offers more stability. New coach. Longer timeline. Coaches around the league see #NYG in a situation where they have to win in 2024.
We don't know that he was Daboll's No. 1 choice. Just that he interviewed twice and they seemed to be waiting for his situation to clarify.
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From asking other many coaches about #Giants candidates, I got the best feedback on Brendan Daly and Dennard Wilson, so I'd say Daly is best available option.
That said, I haven't asked about Jerome Henderson or Anthony Campanile because I know plenty about both from experience
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Dennard Wilson is headed to the Titans to be their defensive coordinator.
Connection there for the former Ravens DB coach: worked with GM Ran Carthon with Rams from 2012-2016.
So two Giants candidates off the board: Wilson to Tennessee and Bobby Babich stayed in Buffalo.
In-house promotion of Jerome Henderson still makes a lot of sense for NYG.
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
Rick, I know I sound like a scared little girl. But something tells me he is in waiting to take over for Spags. There has also veen a lot of bad mojo around the Giants coaching staff this offseason. Again, I know my post comes off as doom n gloom, but this coaching cycle and everything we have heard about Daboll gives me trepidation. I dont remember a time when we had this much controversy about our voaches. Sure, it could be the media stirring shit. But there is an awful lot of smoke.
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
need to stop taking everything people say at face value. These people, understandably, lie all the time. Maybe they will have a coach by the end of the week. Maybe they won’t.
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
Again, the smoke you are seeing is most likely all coming from two coaches who are desperately trying to salvage their reputations. Use your head.
Hopefully you are right. However, Wildon I believe is the only one offered a 2nd interview. I have heard nothing about Henderson being one of the favorites to get the job. If Henderson winds up the DC, I am sorry, but it more than likely will be from default.
Again I hope Im wrong, but as someone else said, Schoen said he hoped this 2ould be done by the end of this week. Common sense would tell you that the guy who got a 2nd interview was likely the choice, not a guy they havent interviewed yet. Using my head, I got the indication Schoen thought Wilson would take the job.
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
What Daboll said regarding Wink can't seriously be your proof of concept here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope Henderson gets the job
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
What Daboll said regarding Wink can't seriously be your proof of concept here.
Exactly. Simply a means to keep Wink leaving as him resigning.
RE: There's a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024
If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
RE: RE: There's a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024
If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
Sorry to be so outspoken on this thread, this just happens to be a subject I am passionate about.
But, if the Goants have a year like 2023 where they are pretty much out of it by Halloween, can you really justify giving Daboll another year? Im not necessarily opposed to it, but we would be laughable 2 years in a row and likely not sniffing any good assistants coming over once again. Even if we are able to get out from Jones, if the line sucks ass again, the defense is middl8ng or worse, whats next? You trust Daboll another year to turn things around when 4 fifths of your O line were drafted in the 3rd round or higher, you have no QB, no identity as an offense, and a defense that has like 4/5 good players on it?
Yes I know there is an offseason and a lot can happen, but if Dabes runs yhis shit show back again and people still say hes a divk, you pretty much have to can him and start over. Again.
But I think Bowen is the best candidate they’ve interviewed. Had an AVG points against rank of 12th in 3 years. Never worse than 16th in scoring D. Despite injuries and letting key players go, and mediocre personnel overall. He’s only 37 too, so he’ll only get better as he’s around the game longer.
RE: RE: There's a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024
If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
It's simple. GT hates this organization and roots for its demise. This isn't news. He is smarter than a 4x Super Bowl winning organization and you can't convince him otherwise. He's the Joker, he just wants to see the world burn. That's his shtick, accept it and move on. He's not a bad dude but you have to understand the angle and you clearly don't.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I hope Henderson gets the job
He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
What Daboll said regarding Wink can't seriously be your proof of concept here.
Why not?
Me mentioning Daboll saying he expects Wink
to stay was to point out that ALL NFL guys lie and people need to stop taking everything they say at face value.
RE: RE: RE: There's a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024
If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
It's simple. GT hates this organization and roots for its demise. This isn't news. He is smarter than a 4x Super Bowl winning organization and you can't convince him otherwise. He's the Joker, he just wants to see the world burn. That's his shtick, accept it and move on. He's not a bad dude but you have to understand the angle and you clearly don't.
I'm not sure I've ever seen him say anything good about the Giants in the 20+ years I've been on this board
I know Schoen said they expect to hire someone by the end of the week, but why the rush? Get the hire right, no matter how long you have to wait.
Look at the possible options:
Mike Vrabel
Ron Rivera
Brandon Staley
Hopefully Evero and Bowen shake loose sooner or later even though their organizations say they're holding on to them now.
Brendan Daly
Even Leslie Frazier
IDK, Henderson seems like he would be a disappointing hire
RE: Still plenty of decent options before we go to Henderson
I know Schoen said they expect to hire someone by the end of the week, but why the rush? Get the hire right, no matter how long you have to wait.
Look at the possible options:
Mike Vrabel
Ron Rivera
Brandon Staley
Hopefully Evero and Bowen shake loose sooner or later even though their organizations say they're holding on to them now.
Brendan Daly
Even Leslie Frazier
IDK, Henderson seems like he would be a disappointing hire
Frazier I think got hired.
Vrabel is n9t taking a DC job after being a successful HC
Rivera is not taking a DC job again at his age after two HC gigs.... And chances are, he would have the same chip on his shoulder as Wink.
Why anybody would want anything to do with Staley after his playoff collapse and the performance of his defense despite having dome players is beyond me. No offense.
The good, young options are all but dried up and it sucks big time.
Daboll is the first of the last four Giant head coaches to make it past his second season. He's coming off a 6-11 season. Stories abound about his being tough to work with. He has lost two coordinators (one in a messy way) and may lose the third. He's entering 2024 with guaranteed QB uncertainty.
If you're a defensive coordinator candidate and you see those factors, are you going to hitch your wagon to that or to the guy that just got hired in Tennessee by the GM who's just been given the keys to the car?
I don't hate the Giants. I'm pissed that are poorly run and suck as a result. I can remember what it's like to watch the Giants when they are good, and I miss it. I care about that. Why don't you?
RE: Some of you guys live in a fucking fantasy world
Daboll is the first of the last four Giant head coaches to make it past his second season. He's coming off a 6-11 season. Stories abound about his being tough to work with. He has lost two coordinators (one in a messy way) and may lose the third. He's entering 2024 with guaranteed QB uncertainty.
If you're a defensive coordinator candidate and you see those factors, are you going to hitch your wagon to that or to the guy that just got hired in Tennessee by the GM who's just been given the keys to the car?
I don't hate the Giants. I'm pissed that are poorly run and suck as a result. I can remember what it's like to watch the Giants when they are good, and I miss it. I care about that. Why don't you?
Who is living in a fantasy world? I don’t understand who the counterparty to this post is?
People thinking with their hearts and not their heads.
It is not 2011 anymore. A fan has to be into their 20s to remember the Giants as something other than a doormat.
For years I've been saying the Giants are in trouble, and I've been right: it's been 2 winning seasons out of the last 11. And for that I'm being accused of hating the Giants and wanting to watch the world burn like the Joker? What a load of bullshit.
People thinking with their hearts and not their heads.
It is not 2011 anymore. A fan has to be into their 20s to remember the Giants as something other than a doormat.
For years I've been saying the Giants are in trouble, and I've been right: it's been 2 winning seasons out of the last 11. And for that I'm being accused of hating the Giants and wanting to watch the world burn like the Joker? What a load of bullshit.
Wake up already.
Were you awake for the Giants 2022 season when Daboll won coach of the year?
A tough season with injuries, poor play at the start, and a shitty QB situation due to all of those factors has made people lose their fucking minds.
This after a great season where our new head coach won the award for best coach in the entire NFL. And then his defensive coordinator (that he didn’t want to hire at his first choice) started an in house mutiny and you guys fell for it and are somehow still bringing it up as if it’s some indictment against Daboll when one of the best players on our own defense said he might not return to the Giants if this guy was still around.
Or even second choice, he would have been hired already. At this point, a former head coach is more likely to take it than and an up and coming coordinator.
I've heard it reported that Carthon (the Titans GM)
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Sense I get: we all overlooked and maybe underestimated the Ran Carthon connection with Dennard Wilson from their time together with Rams.
I always think of the Titans as a small market team.
1 year job.
TEN with new HC/GM has at least 3 years of runway with Levis.
He must've really impressed you with that interview.
Yup, versus short leash Daboll who just fired 2/3 coordinators after year 2
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Yup, versus short leash Daboll who just fired 2/3 coordinators after year 2
Who said Daboll is on a short leash?
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Yup, versus short leash Daboll who just fired 2/3 coordinators after year 2
Daboll is on a short leash according to who?
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
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In Dennard Wilson's case, #Titans roster isn't any more talented than #Giants. If he went to #Packers or #Rams, that would've been easy to understand from a personnel standpoint.
But TEN offers more stability. New coach. Longer timeline. Coaches around the league see #NYG in a situation where they have to win in 2024.
We don't know that he was Daboll's No. 1 choice. Just that he interviewed twice and they seemed to be waiting for his situation to clarify.
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From asking other many coaches about #Giants candidates, I got the best feedback on Brendan Daly and Dennard Wilson, so I'd say Daly is best available option.
That said, I haven't asked about Jerome Henderson or Anthony Campanile because I know plenty about both from experience
@art_stapleton
Dennard Wilson is headed to the Titans to be their defensive coordinator.
Connection there for the former Ravens DB coach: worked with GM Ran Carthon with Rams from 2012-2016.
So two Giants candidates off the board: Wilson to Tennessee and Bobby Babich stayed in Buffalo.
In-house promotion of Jerome Henderson still makes a lot of sense for NYG.
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
Rick, I know I sound like a scared little girl. But something tells me he is in waiting to take over for Spags. There has also veen a lot of bad mojo around the Giants coaching staff this offseason. Again, I know my post comes off as doom n gloom, but this coaching cycle and everything we have heard about Daboll gives me trepidation. I dont remember a time when we had this much controversy about our voaches. Sure, it could be the media stirring shit. But there is an awful lot of smoke.
Sorry if I sound like a wuss. Lol
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
Hopefully you are right. However, Wildon I believe is the only one offered a 2nd interview. I have heard nothing about Henderson being one of the favorites to get the job. If Henderson winds up the DC, I am sorry, but it more than likely will be from default.
Again I hope Im wrong, but as someone else said, Schoen said he hoped this 2ould be done by the end of this week. Common sense would tell you that the guy who got a 2nd interview was likely the choice, not a guy they havent interviewed yet. Using my head, I got the indication Schoen thought Wilson would take the job.
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
What Daboll said regarding Wink can't seriously be your proof of concept here.
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
What Daboll said regarding Wink can't seriously be your proof of concept here.
Exactly. Simply a means to keep Wink leaving as him resigning.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
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If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
Sorry to be so outspoken on this thread, this just happens to be a subject I am passionate about.
But, if the Goants have a year like 2023 where they are pretty much out of it by Halloween, can you really justify giving Daboll another year? Im not necessarily opposed to it, but we would be laughable 2 years in a row and likely not sniffing any good assistants coming over once again. Even if we are able to get out from Jones, if the line sucks ass again, the defense is middl8ng or worse, whats next? You trust Daboll another year to turn things around when 4 fifths of your O line were drafted in the 3rd round or higher, you have no QB, no identity as an offense, and a defense that has like 4/5 good players on it?
Yes I know there is an offseason and a lot can happen, but if Dabes runs yhis shit show back again and people still say hes a divk, you pretty much have to can him and start over. Again.
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If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
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He at least knows the defence he's working with, as well as the rest of the coaching staff. He also has the respect of the defensive players. He's actually the perfect man for the job, without reaching.
Honestly, this is quite disheartening. No way Daly is coming here honestly and giving the nod to Henderson when we were very openly courting Wilson reeks of desparatuon.
I am not saying Henderson will be a bad choice, but the number of coaches that either said no or were denied by other teams is alarming.
"Ok Jerome.... You're the DC because Daly and Wilson said " no. "
Why do you say there's no way Daly is coming here?
You have no clue the number of coaches that said no. Why pretend like you do?
I doubt Daly ever said no, but Schoen said they'd have the DC hire announced by week's end, and the earliest that Daly could be officially hired is after the Super Bowl, so those two facts taken together would rule him out.
He never said they'd have it announced by the end of the week.
He said he expects to have the search concluded by the end of the week. So I'm not sure we can take what they say too seriously. Also they could decide on Daly by the end of the week (Knowing he'd take the job) and wait until after the Super Bowl.
Daboll said he expects Wink as our DC next year and we see how that worked out.
What Daboll said regarding Wink can't seriously be your proof of concept here.
Why not?
Me mentioning Daboll saying he expects Wink
to stay was to point out that ALL NFL guys lie and people need to stop taking everything they say at face value.
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If course you'd go somewhere where the head coach just got hired.
Why is there a good chance Daboll is gone after 2024? There might be a chance as ther is with any coach. I just think it is crazy to think like that.
He pulled a rabbit out of his hat in 2022. Ton of injuries and bad performance in 2023 that necessitated removing STC and DC because of lack of progress developing players.
No, I think he has two more years. Schoen isn't giving up that easily, unless he is just a beast and out of control with personnel.
It's simple. GT hates this organization and roots for its demise. This isn't news. He is smarter than a 4x Super Bowl winning organization and you can't convince him otherwise. He's the Joker, he just wants to see the world burn. That's his shtick, accept it and move on. He's not a bad dude but you have to understand the angle and you clearly don't.
I'm not sure I've ever seen him say anything good about the Giants in the 20+ years I've been on this board
Look at the possible options:
Mike Vrabel
Ron Rivera
Brandon Staley
Hopefully Evero and Bowen shake loose sooner or later even though their organizations say they're holding on to them now.
Brendan Daly
Even Leslie Frazier
IDK, Henderson seems like he would be a disappointing hire
Look at the possible options:
Mike Vrabel
Ron Rivera
Brandon Staley
Hopefully Evero and Bowen shake loose sooner or later even though their organizations say they're holding on to them now.
Brendan Daly
Even Leslie Frazier
IDK, Henderson seems like he would be a disappointing hire
Frazier I think got hired.
Vrabel is n9t taking a DC job after being a successful HC
Rivera is not taking a DC job again at his age after two HC gigs.... And chances are, he would have the same chip on his shoulder as Wink.
Why anybody would want anything to do with Staley after his playoff collapse and the performance of his defense despite having dome players is beyond me. No offense.
The good, young options are all but dried up and it sucks big time.
Daboll is the first of the last four Giant head coaches to make it past his second season. He's coming off a 6-11 season. Stories abound about his being tough to work with. He has lost two coordinators (one in a messy way) and may lose the third. He's entering 2024 with guaranteed QB uncertainty.
If you're a defensive coordinator candidate and you see those factors, are you going to hitch your wagon to that or to the guy that just got hired in Tennessee by the GM who's just been given the keys to the car?
I don't hate the Giants. I'm pissed that are poorly run and suck as a result. I can remember what it's like to watch the Giants when they are good, and I miss it. I care about that. Why don't you?
Daboll is the first of the last four Giant head coaches to make it past his second season. He's coming off a 6-11 season. Stories abound about his being tough to work with. He has lost two coordinators (one in a messy way) and may lose the third. He's entering 2024 with guaranteed QB uncertainty.
If you're a defensive coordinator candidate and you see those factors, are you going to hitch your wagon to that or to the guy that just got hired in Tennessee by the GM who's just been given the keys to the car?
I don't hate the Giants. I'm pissed that are poorly run and suck as a result. I can remember what it's like to watch the Giants when they are good, and I miss it. I care about that. Why don't you?
Who is living in a fantasy world? I don’t understand who the counterparty to this post is?
It is not 2011 anymore. A fan has to be into their 20s to remember the Giants as something other than a doormat.
For years I've been saying the Giants are in trouble, and I've been right: it's been 2 winning seasons out of the last 11. And for that I'm being accused of hating the Giants and wanting to watch the world burn like the Joker? What a load of bullshit.
Wake up already.
It is not 2011 anymore. A fan has to be into their 20s to remember the Giants as something other than a doormat.
For years I've been saying the Giants are in trouble, and I've been right: it's been 2 winning seasons out of the last 11. And for that I'm being accused of hating the Giants and wanting to watch the world burn like the Joker? What a load of bullshit.
Wake up already.
Were you awake for the Giants 2022 season when Daboll won coach of the year?
This after a great season where our new head coach won the award for best coach in the entire NFL. And then his defensive coordinator (that he didn’t want to hire at his first choice) started an in house mutiny and you guys fell for it and are somehow still bringing it up as if it’s some indictment against Daboll when one of the best players on our own defense said he might not return to the Giants if this guy was still around.
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Sense I get: we all overlooked and maybe underestimated the Ran Carthon connection with Dennard Wilson from their time together with Rams.
NFC East: 13/22
AFC South: 2/5
So, first off Bill Callahan is going to need to find an elite quarterback. Houston has one. Not sure Will Levis will be enough.