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| 6. New York Giants Rome Odunze, WR, Washington The run on pass-catchers is here in earnest! The Giants miss out on the top three quarterbacks, but the rumors swirling at the Senior Bowl among agents is that the Giants are more likely to add a veteran free agent QB to compete with Daniel Jones than draft one early. It would allow general manager Joe Schoen to pick up a true WR1 in Odunze, who led the nation in receiving in 2023 (1,640 yards). At 6-foot-3 and 215 pounds, Odunze is a physical and aggressive player before and after the catch. He's a dominant option on both back-shoulder fades and breaking routes. No matter who is throwing the ball, Odunze would immediately boost the Giants' offense. |
I believe that getting a FA to compete with Jones would be a bad move that would cement to me that either Schoen doesn't know what he's doing, or he and Daboll feel pressure to win next year and that a rookie trajectory won't save them.
A good FA (one that could compete with Jones and not a Mike Glennon type) will cost at least $5 million a year and probably more. We're seriously going to have more than $50 million in cap money tied up in mediocre veteran QBs, with one of these guys coming off an ACL with an expensive injury guarantee if he goes out for the season again? It's just bad resource management.
YES!!!! WE WOULD ALL HATE THAT RESULT
cause that means that we still don't have a QB and we're finishing last in the division
It’s what I’m hoping for. In a QB rich draft, someone (QB) they have rated as a
late first rounder might slip to round 2.
A pricey FA QB does nothing to advance the team.
Commanders
Patriots
Raiders
Vikings
Saints
Falcons
Steelers
Broncos
Maybe Rams
Maybe Seahawks
I don't see any of the top 6 making it to the 2nd. Maybe Penix?
Some of you kill me. The Giants have to make decisions on an entire team basis and not just one position. Picking 6 if the best value is WR take one. We need better overall talent.
Look at the Lions- they are winning with Goff a QB they has to take in a trade in order to move Stafford. They built a ton of talent around him. Right now we need talent period as much as we need a true elite QB and in some cases even more so..
Some of you kill me. The Giants have to make decisions on an entire team basis and not just one position. Picking 6 if the best value is WR take one. We need better overall talent.
Look at the Lions- they are winning with Goff a QB they has to take in a trade in order to move Stafford. They built a ton of talent around him. Right now we need talent period as much as we need a true elite QB and in some cases even more so..
Jared Goff has a much better resume than Jones.
Some of you kill me. The Giants have to make decisions on an entire team basis and not just one position. Picking 6 if the best value is WR take one. We need better overall talent.
Look at the Lions- they are winning with Goff a QB they has to take in a trade in order to move Stafford. They built a ton of talent around him. Right now we need talent period as much as we need a true elite QB and in some cases even more so..
Jared Goff is a much better QB
If the Top 3 are gone, I don't think so. If you were to objectively look at the QB's, which one outside of the Top 3 would you say deserves a 1st Round grade and why? When I say 1st Round grade I am not saying Top 32, but more like top 18-20 as that is what most teams realistically have as 1st Round talents in any given year.
Neither of which the Giants can afford either. Jacoby Brissett is probably the best option. His year-to-year QBR numbers are basically the same as Jones.
Wouldn’t read anything into it. Giants can’t afford a vet FA really.
Yes, you don't take a flier on a QB given our roster. You either take one that you think will transform your organization or you build around Jones. To take a second round pick QB is stupid strategy.
This is what it comes down to. Bad resource management to have basically $55 million tied up in the QB position with only veterans, with none of them having back-to-back above average seasons on their resumes.
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Giants can’t afford a vet FA really.
This is what it comes down to. Bad resource management to have basically $55 million tied up in the QB position with only veterans, with none of them having back-to-back above average seasons on their resumes.
Why aren't you excited at the possibility of spending 23% of the 2024 salary cap on Daniel Jones and Jameis Winston? Is that not a recipe for success?
That will be career suicide for Schoen and Daboll.
This is THE ISSUE.
I have not been a DJ fan from the beginning but you can't force a pick if it isn't there. That's repeating same error.
It's possible they don't rate any of the qbs outside the top 1 or 2 and they can't realistically get those so they are looking for good options later on to develop. It's possible they like the ones anticipated to go in day 2 better than the other 3-4 options later in rd 1. We don't know. Just because we are great need of a GOOD top QB doesn't mean they need to waste a high pick on one they don't believe in. There are too too many holes.
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to reach for a QB at six just to have one?
If the Top 3 are gone, I don't think so. If you were to objectively look at the QB's, which one outside of the Top 3 would you say deserves a 1st Round grade and why? When I say 1st Round grade I am not saying Top 32, but more like top 18-20 as that is what most teams realistically have as 1st Round talents in any given year.
Another way to phrase it is:
Which one of these guys is definitely better than Daniel right now. If so, by what margin? Is it by enough of a margin that is worth disposing of a potential star in a premium pick elsewhere on the team (e.g. line/wr)? This is zero-sum analysis.
And I can almost guarantee that if Jones is hurt early, the Giants will win just enough games to miss out with a top 1-3 overall draft pick again. Wash, rinse, repeat.
This. Anyone the Giants can sign in free agency will be seen by the team as Jones' backup / placeholder. It is simply doubling down on Jones because of the mistake made with his contract.
+1
Daboll also knows it's probably his turn on the good ship Scapegoat, and may be more comfortable putting his job security on veteran QBs than on a rookie.
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which is another reason retaining Tyrod makes a lot of sense, from the team's point of view. Would not be surprised to see Jones, Tyrod, and DeVito back.
This. Anyone the Giants can sign in free agency will be seen by the team as Jones' backup / placeholder. It is simply doubling down on Jones because of the mistake made with his contract.
In which case I’ll be waiting or the regime change press conference whether in January 2025 or January 2026.
Wouldn’t read anything into it. Giants can’t afford a vet FA really.
This is where I'm at. I don't think anyone really has any idea what the Giants are planning to do at the QB position other than the front office. If they can move up to get Williams, Maye, or Daniels, my thinking is they make the move, but that is purely guess work on my part. To me, it looks like that was maybe even their plan all along in the way the DJ contract was structured.
Unfortunately I think JonC is correct if there is no QB in the draft that the braintrust has conviction can be the guy, and we can actually get.
No idea what the report is base don, but I think I would rather watch him over any of the current options on the roster... even if we draft a QB (unless it is one of the top 3)
It's better to continue to ignore QBs every draft?
My guess is that the Giants will sign a veteran QB before the draft to compete with Jones, and because he may not be ready to start week one. I would also be surprised if the Giants don't draft a QB by the end of day two. Whether that comes from a trade up is as yet unknown, but I expect Schoen and Daboll to draft a QB this year.
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which is another reason retaining Tyrod makes a lot of sense, from the team's point of view. Would not be surprised to see Jones, Tyrod, and DeVito back.
+1
Daboll also knows it's probably his turn on the good ship Scapegoat, and may be more comfortable putting his job security on veteran QBs than on a rookie.
OK, I'll play.
If he feels "more comfortable" with a veteran (Taylor in this case, since you gave Jon's post a +1) over a rookie QB, why in the world would they choose Taylor, who himself has shown he can't stay healthy?
If they are content with going with a veteran, wouldn't they feel "more comfortable" with someone who can actually stay on the field for 17 games?
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which is another reason retaining Tyrod makes a lot of sense, from the team's point of view. Would not be surprised to see Jones, Tyrod, and DeVito back.
+1
Daboll also knows it's probably his turn on the good ship Scapegoat, and may be more comfortable putting his job security on veteran QBs than on a rookie.
OK, I'll play.
If he feels "more comfortable" with a veteran (Taylor in this case, since you gave Jon's post a +1) over a rookie QB, why in the world would they choose Taylor, who himself has shown he can't stay healthy?
If they are content with going with a veteran, wouldn't they feel "more comfortable" with someone who can actually stay on the field for 17 games?
The rare valid point
The top QBs are likely out of reach at 6. No guarantee a second tier QB they want will be available, unless they want to ignore value at #6.
Going after a top vet (if one is available) is an option, but the resource allocation for this vet and DJ would be astronomical.
But, if we cross a top vet and a top draftee off the list, it makes sense to go after a lower tier vet QB. A decent backup is needed, and it doesn't preclude them from drafting a second tier prospect if one is within reach. If that backup is TT, fine. If it's fresh blood, better, IMO.
The only scenario that doesn't warrant retaining TT, or going after a similar level vet, is if we have a trade in place to jump to the head of the draft line.
Next year, IF things go like they did this year (a likely scenrio), they'll opt out of DJ's deal, fire Daboll AND Schoen.
Then the NYG start over....AGAIN.
If they trade up - take a QB - Joe and Davoli buy themselves some time.
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which is another reason retaining Tyrod makes a lot of sense, from the team's point of view. Would not be surprised to see Jones, Tyrod, and DeVito back.
+1
Daboll also knows it's probably his turn on the good ship Scapegoat, and may be more comfortable putting his job security on veteran QBs than on a rookie.
OK, I'll play.
If he feels "more comfortable" with a veteran (Taylor in this case, since you gave Jon's post a +1) over a rookie QB, why in the world would they choose Taylor, who himself has shown he can't stay healthy?
If they are content with going with a veteran, wouldn't they feel "more comfortable" with someone who can actually stay on the field for 17 games?
Because they're expecting Jones to be ready to start by opening day or shortly after. Remember - no one works harder than Daniel.
Even if it isn't Taylor, Daniel is the guy making $47M in 2024. He'll be the guy over Tannehill, Mariota, or whomever. Then they'll go 5-12 and everybody who always the Jones contract will pretend they saw this coming all along. And they'll hire Ben Johnson or Slowik and repeat everything all over again.
Next year, IF things go like they did this year (a likely scenrio), they'll opt out of DJ's deal, fire Daboll AND Schoen.
Then the NYG start over....AGAIN.
If they trade up - take a QB - Joe and Davoli buy themselves some time.
I'll tack on some pure speculation just to take it a step farther. When that regime change inevitably happens as DJ hangs his third HC pelt on the wall on his own way out, John Mara will finally usher nephew Tim into the driver's seat with a lifetime GM appointment, and all systems will be pointed toward an at-all-costs campaign to draft Arch Manning.
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This move is the Fast Pass Lane to getting fired.
Next year, IF things go like they did this year (a likely scenrio), they'll opt out of DJ's deal, fire Daboll AND Schoen.
Then the NYG start over....AGAIN.
If they trade up - take a QB - Joe and Davoli buy themselves some time.
I'll tack on some pure speculation just to take it a step farther. When that regime change inevitably happens as DJ hangs his third HC pelt on the wall on his own way out, John Mara will finally usher nephew Tim into the driver's seat with a lifetime GM appointment, and all systems will be pointed toward an at-all-costs campaign to draft Arch Manning.
Yup. You can practically taste the bread sticks and the never ending pasta bowl.
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This move is the Fast Pass Lane to getting fired.
Next year, IF things go like they did this year (a likely scenrio), they'll opt out of DJ's deal, fire Daboll AND Schoen.
Then the NYG start over....AGAIN.
If they trade up - take a QB - Joe and Davoli buy themselves some time.
I'll tack on some pure speculation just to take it a step farther. When that regime change inevitably happens as DJ hangs his third HC pelt on the wall on his own way out, John Mara will finally usher nephew Tim into the driver's seat with a lifetime GM appointment, and all systems will be pointed toward an at-all-costs campaign to draft Arch Manning.
OMG - that would be the ultimate Jints Central move.