If the top 3 QBs and MHJ are gone, I am a fan of selecting the 1-A wide receiver in this class, Malik Nabers, and then obtaining a QB later, either with a trade back into the 1st round or in the 2nd.
As I've said on another thread, Nabers has a decent shot to emerge as the best receiver from this class. He combines great athleticism with excellent route running and ball skills. He is explosive after the catch and is probably the best YAC receiver in this class, and maybe the best to come out of college in a while.
I see a lot of people sleeping on Nabers on this board. He's not that far behind MHJ as a prospect, and I think he's solidly ahead of Odunze. Odunze has the size, and should be a great pro, but Nabers has insane athleticism and I think he's more of a sure thing with a high ceiling. He ran a 4.44 40 and had a 38 inch vertical - in high school. He is not a small receiver at a reported 6-0 200 pounds. For that size he has rare explosiveness.
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I wasn't aware there was an edge worthy of top 10 but if there is i'd be fine with an edge at 6 too. Edge or WR there is fine with me. QB is too but I don't think a top QB will slip to 6, but who knows. There are at least 2 hot shot QBs and maybe even 4-5 so anything is possible.
What people need to accept is the facts here. When a need marries availability and that need is a premium position like WR (or even edge) you can't fault any team for drafting that player in round 1. 99.9 % of any GM or team is picking that player even if they needed a QB. The QB has to be available first and he has to check off what the team looks for.
Logic, pragmaticism or simply just common sense says take the WR at 6. And I am sick of not drafting defense early and often but in this case you do it anyway. We are desperate for an alpha WR. Again, the ONLY player that forces me off WR there is nasty ass edge or irresistible QB. I don't see either one being available at 6. The only way WR isn't available at 6 is if the QBs drop to 6. Fine. Win win.
Chargers go Nabers or Bowers imo. I could see Harbaugh preferring Bowers as he fits into the scheme very well as a solid blocker and great receiving threat at TE. Nabers wouldn't surprise me though. If Nabers isn't there and no top 3 qbs are there, I'm beginning to really like the idea of McCarthy at 6.
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
Rome is a possession reciever. He runs fast in shorts but doesn't have Nabers suddenness, quick burst ability. Nabers over Odunze by a country mile
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then Nabers would be the top choice for me at 6 but I have a bad feeling that the Chargers will take him at 5.
Chargers go Nabers or Bowers imo. I could see Harbaugh preferring Bowers as he fits into the scheme very well as a solid blocker and great receiving threat at TE. Nabers wouldn't surprise me though. If Nabers isn't there and no top 3 qbs are there, I'm beginning to really like the idea of McCarthy at 6.
I can see Harbaugh taking an OT or an edge player with them trading Mack.
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
A stud WR won't help this offense any?... that is a pretty dumb comment.
Let go of your hate for DJ for one second and you can see how that is a dumb comment. Of course a stud WR would help. Big difference throwing to a wide open WR than a covered one. You add Tyreek Hill to this team and we are getting more first downs, more big plays, and more TDs. As many in Miami no, but more than we get now.
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
If we keep dj then I agree wr isn't the best route, but if we keep dj without taking a qb between pick 6 and pick 39 then we are doomed to fail with Schoen and Co deserving to be fired. We need one of the top 3 or McCarthy or at worst Pennix.
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
I'd be happier with McCarthy at 6 and Leggette or Worthy or Keon Coleman at 39 than Nabers at 6 while praying we can get McCarthy or Pennix later. I'd much prefer McCarthy to Pennix. I want nothing to do with Nix.
Odunze is a great prospect as well but he isn't a great yac threat. He is fast but more of a long strider and less explosive and physical than Nabers. Odunze's strength is size combined with excellent route running and high point ball skills. He projects as an NFL boundary X. Maybe not as good as Mike Evans, but in that category. Nothing wrong with that at all. They are hard to find. Nabers is more of an explosion player and projects as a movement Z, like Garrett Wilson/ DJ Moore, etc.
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1. It isn't going to help the offense any
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
I'd be happier with McCarthy at 6 and Leggette or Worthy or Keon Coleman at 39 than Nabers at 6 while praying we can get McCarthy or Pennix later. I'd much prefer McCarthy to Pennix. I want nothing to do with Nix.
I'm not with you. I don't see McCarthy at 6. I'd rather have Nabers and then trade back into the first and try to get one of Penix, Nix or McCarthy, or whoever Daboll has his eye on.
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
I am suggesting to draft the WR1 at #6 with the intention of adding a QB later in the first or 2nd. I agree, we need to add a QB in the first two rounds.
They are different players and I agree they both have top-10 WR potential, so I don't think they are that far apart. Look what I wrote a few comments above. Odunze projects as an X, but maybe not as physical as Evans. Nabers looks like a classic Z. We could use both. I am choosing the more explosive player here.
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but I am warming up to the idea of EDGE. I like the receivers that I think will be available in the early 2nd.
I wasn't aware there was an edge worthy of top 10 but if there is i'd be fine with an edge at 6 too. Edge or WR there is fine with me. QB is too but I don't think a top QB will slip to 6, but who knows. There are at least 2 hot shot QBs and maybe even 4-5 so anything is possible.
I actually really like Jared verse, he's got the prototypical size at about 6'4 260, he's plenty athletic, good pass. Pass rusher, good against the run... I think you would be a perfect compliment to KT. He might shoot up the boards if he lights up the combine, but he was a force in hos bowl game.
Dallas Turner is more of a speed rusher who I thonk we could get after a trade down.
Nabers and a QB after a trade back into the 1st would be great, but so would Verse in 1st and WR in 2nd.
NabersIS awesome tho.
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1. It isn't going to help the offense any
2. College football is producing enormous numbers of WRs; recent drafts are showing us you can get one later
If they don't draft a QB at 6 (which would be a big mistake), I hope they target OL/DL instead.
I'd be happier with McCarthy at 6 and Leggette or Worthy or Keon Coleman at 39 than Nabers at 6 while praying we can get McCarthy or Pennix later. I'd much prefer McCarthy to Pennix. I want nothing to do with Nix.
I'm not with you. I don't see McCarthy at 6. I'd rather have Nabers and then trade back into the first and try to get one of Penix, Nix or McCarthy, or whoever Daboll has his eye on.
McCarthy won't be realistically possible to trade up for from 39 and there's a good chance Pennix won't either. It's too risky imo. Nix is not a qb I want anything to do with. I'd also greatly prefer McCarthy to Pennix and I think the only realistic way we can get him is if the top 3 qbs go 1-2-3, then MHJ then Bowers or Nabers then we go McCarthy at 6. I would prefer one of the top 3 sliding within reach for us to trade up with the Cardinals but the chances are very slim for that to happen. Daniels is my favorite of the 3 followed by CW and then Maye os 3a to me while McCarthy is 3b. Then Pennix is 4/5. Nix isn't in my top 5 and I wouldn't take him period.
Then load up on other positions this year and draft a WB next year. We have to pay Jones anyways. Forcing a top ten QB (all of them have significant ? s)this year, just means you are paying two guys at the same position a ton of money. No, you can fix other areas of your team too.
If the right deal comes for the top pick? Like say next years first and this years first 2nd to get a shot at any of the 3, sure, go for it. However, if they are asking too much, stay pat, maybe the one we really like slips, grab Nabers, Odunze, Latu or Verse and go on with your life.
The more I think about it, unless we are IN LOVE with Willliams or Maye or Danoels, cutting Jones is a mistake.
But I will not complain if ER is taken - Latu, Verse or Turner.
Will the Giants wait until the second round to draft a QB?
But I will not complain if ER is taken - Latu, Verse or Turner.
Will the Giants wait until the second round to draft a QB?
If you have conviction on a QB you take him at 6 because the Falcons at 8, Vikings at 11, Broncos at 12, Saints at 14, Seahawks at 16, Steelers at 20 plus perhaps the Bucs and others might have the same conviction. Trading up from 39 that far into round 1 would likely cost a future 1st. I'm hoping for Daniels, Maye or JJ at 4-6 (trade up with Cardinals if it's Daniels or Maye) take JJ at 6 if the top 3 go 1-2-3.
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does for the Dolphins(and did for Chiefs), the thought of Nabers makes makes me smile. Sorry Terps, a top WR does improve the offense. It absolutely does.
But I will not complain if ER is taken - Latu, Verse or Turner.
Hill was a 5th round pick. You just kind of proved GD's point.
He went that late due to off field issues
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Who will be throwing the ball to him? Jones can't, he has zero accuracy, besides he'll be out with another season ending injury by the 5th game.
Will the Giants wait until the second round to draft a QB?
If you have conviction on a QB you take him at 6 because the Falcons at 8, Vikings at 11, Broncos at 12, Saints at 14, Seahawks at 16, Steelers at 20 plus perhaps the Bucs and others might have the same conviction. Trading up from 39 that far into round 1 would likely cost a future 1st. I'm hoping for Daniels, Maye or JJ at 4-6 (trade up with Cardinals if it's Daniels or Maye) take JJ at 6 if the top 3 go 1-2-3.
What makes this year different from 2021 to 2023 when all of the QB’s that teams didn’t think were significantly better than Day 2 options slid to Day 2? Especially with how top heavy this draft is that cautions against reaching to fill a need because you have to maximize your value from early picks.
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Who will be throwing the ball to him? Jones can't, he has zero accuracy, besides he'll be out with another season ending injury by the 5th game.
Will the Giants wait until the second round to draft a QB?
If you have conviction on a QB you take him at 6 because the Falcons at 8, Vikings at 11, Broncos at 12, Saints at 14, Seahawks at 16, Steelers at 20 plus perhaps the Bucs and others might have the same conviction. Trading up from 39 that far into round 1 would likely cost a future 1st. I'm hoping for Daniels, Maye or JJ at 4-6 (trade up with Cardinals if it's Daniels or Maye) take JJ at 6 if the top 3 go 1-2-3.
What makes this year different from 2021 to 2023 when all of the QB’s that teams didn’t think were significantly better than Day 2 options slid to Day 2? Especially with how top heavy this draft is that cautions against reaching to fill a need because you have to maximize your value from early picks.
The difference is that you have 5 prospects that have immense potential beyond those second and 3rd day picks in years past
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Who will be throwing the ball to him? Jones can't, he has zero accuracy, besides he'll be out with another season ending injury by the 5th game.
Will the Giants wait until the second round to draft a QB?
If you have conviction on a QB you take him at 6 because the Falcons at 8, Vikings at 11, Broncos at 12, Saints at 14, Seahawks at 16, Steelers at 20 plus perhaps the Bucs and others might have the same conviction. Trading up from 39 that far into round 1 would likely cost a future 1st. I'm hoping for Daniels, Maye or JJ at 4-6 (trade up with Cardinals if it's Daniels or Maye) take JJ at 6 if the top 3 go 1-2-3.
What makes this year different from 2021 to 2023 when all of the QB’s that teams didn’t think were significantly better than Day 2 options slid to Day 2? Especially with how top heavy this draft is that cautions against reaching to fill a need because you have to maximize your value from early picks.
The difference is that you have 5 prospects that have immense potential beyond those second and 3rd day picks in years past
Will Levis some mocked in Top 5 immediately before the draft, Malik Willis some here wanted to take at #5 or #7 overall.
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In comment 16394617 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16394533 Fishmanjim57 said:
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Who will be throwing the ball to him? Jones can't, he has zero accuracy, besides he'll be out with another season ending injury by the 5th game.
Will the Giants wait until the second round to draft a QB?
If you have conviction on a QB you take him at 6 because the Falcons at 8, Vikings at 11, Broncos at 12, Saints at 14, Seahawks at 16, Steelers at 20 plus perhaps the Bucs and others might have the same conviction. Trading up from 39 that far into round 1 would likely cost a future 1st. I'm hoping for Daniels, Maye or JJ at 4-6 (trade up with Cardinals if it's Daniels or Maye) take JJ at 6 if the top 3 go 1-2-3.
What makes this year different from 2021 to 2023 when all of the QB’s that teams didn’t think were significantly better than Day 2 options slid to Day 2? Especially with how top heavy this draft is that cautions against reaching to fill a need because you have to maximize your value from early picks.
The difference is that you have 5 prospects that have immense potential beyond those second and 3rd day picks in years past
Will Levis some mocked in Top 5 immediately before the draft, Malik Willis some here wanted to take at #5 or #7 overall.
Mocks don't matter at all, it's what the NFL front offices think that matters. You will see 5-6 guys go in rd1 I bet. The top 3 plus McCarthy and one or 2 of Pennix and Nix. McCarthy is going top 15 and if the top 3 go 1-2-3 then I have a feeling he will be our pick at 6.
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The offense is still going to struggle to get to 20 points in a game. There is no one to deliver him the ball.
Let go of your hate for DJ for one second and you can see how that is a dumb comment. Of course a stud WR would help. Big difference throwing to a wide open WR than a covered one. You add Tyreek Hill to this team and we are getting more first downs, more big plays, and more TDs. As many in Miami no, but more than we get now.
Terps will let go of his hate for Jones... He will let go for his hate for Jones when he answers for the burning of Quest, and the skill players who lie dead there! He will let go when the lives of the linemen and coaches who laid down their lives even as their careers and bodies were hewn at the gates of Metlife are avenged! When Jones hangs from a gibbet for the sport of his own crows!... he will let go.