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ThatFranchiseGuy-10 Best Quarterbacks In The 2024 NFL Draft

Manhattan : 2/10/2024 4:45 pm
Some people like his analysis. Some of his stuff gets posted here. He's smart. Just another opinion but with interesting detail.

I spent a bit of time and tried to put some of the strengths and weaknesses (below) for prospects of real interest. I am sure I missed something or didn't quite summarize perfectly. I look forward to your thoughts and discussing some of the traits and ranks as he sees it.

With the Merrill Hodge opinion of CW, I think it is helpful to hear a detailed reason why Williams is touted by so many analysts.


10. Jordan Travis

9. Taulia Tagovailoa

8. Michael Pratt

7. Spencer Rattler

6. JJ McCarthy
- tape is incomplete, interview important
- good tools not a lot of high end tape
- strong nfl arm shows up in short and intermediate
- deep ball is not great. lacks accuracy
- ball of clay
- not top-15 pick, too many unknowns
- play on time, manage pocket, a little anticipation

5. Michael Penix
- obvious strengths, cannon arm, best deep ball in class along with Caleb Williams
- good processor, decision-maker
- gets the ball out quick when he sees it
- does have a hefty list of weaknesses, sometimes stares down first read
- needs protectionand good scheming and he can ball out
- pro comp (low) Brissett (high) stringer armed Tannehill

4. Bo Nix
- pro comp (low) Pickett (high) Dak Prescott
- top QB in class in first read processing in a well-schemed offense
- on time, avoids mistakes
- consistent baseline of tape
- Denver good landing spot
- but after the first read he looks to run
- generally throws catchable balls but downfield sometimes makes it hard on WR

3. Jayden Daniels
- electric
- great deep ball accuracy, not far behind Caleb and Penix in deep ball
- good pocket presence even though elite scrambler
- will stand in the pocket and run when he needs to
- processing: ran rudimentary offense at LSU, usually read half the field, not looking at safeties
- he mainly looked to see who had single coverage then would get ball to playmakers like Nabers
- some processing is evident just didn't happen a lot
- biggest weakness - he systematically doesn't see and attack the middle of the field, which is a major concern
- doesn't process backside digs into the middle of the field, doesn't throw with anticipation in the middle
- won't know how big a deal the middle of the field thing is until he plays in the NFL. Was it LSU or Daniels?
- accuracy in short and middle game not nearly as good as deep accuaracy
- remains high upside, and running gives him a high floor
- pro comps: (low) Tyrod Taylor (high) Kyler Murray
- Why Kyler Murray? He sees Murray as a dynamic playmaker, great deep ball thrower, average processor but probably good enough, doesn't throw to the middle of the field as much as you'd like
- worthy of a top 6 pick

2. Drake Maye
- does not think it's neck and neck between CW and DM.
- in other years would be a #1 pick.
- pro comp: (low) Carson Wentz (high) Trevor Lawrence
- physical tools off the charts, size, athletic, rocket arm
- processing/decision not perfect but damn good for a 21 yr old
- sees and attacks middle of field with anticipation better than anyone in this draft
- makes good progression reads
- adapts in-game, understands the position and still learning
- good at managing pressure though not great pocket presence
- takes care of football
- very desirable NFL prospect
- accuracy is very good but should be better for a #2 pick, a throw or two a game are off
- pocket presence isn't bad but as play extends he isn't always calm in a crowded pocket
- a few too many moments when he seems uncomfortable in the pocket, could hold him back from being elite
- footwork is not traditional, sometimes fades away or hops into his throws
- if he has accuracy issues next level, footwork could be the issue
- sees a lot of Herbert, TrevLaw and Jordan Love in his game
- can be a top 8-ish QB one day.

1. Caleb Williams
- Clear number one
- elite pocket presence and athleticism to sense and elude pressure
- cool and calm under pressure
- processes information and moving parts post-snap very well
- the game doesn't move too fast for him
- has borderline generational arm talent, from raw arm strength to throwing with touch to making incredible off- platform throws
- accuracy is a plus though he sometimes misses down the field it is usually because of the difficulty of the throw he finds himnself making
- he trusts his protection and doesn't bail from clean pockets unless he is forced to
- will reset in the pocket when available in muddy situations
- is an elite threat in the red zone pairing his legs, pocket presence, creativity and arm talent to find open windows or scramble for scores
- is always looking to throw in scramble drills and perfect balance to know when to just run it
- flashes of anticipation throws into man and zone, willing to throw into tight man coverage
- 2nd half of season improved getting the ball out quickly and on time
- turnovers come exclusively from hero ball attempts, cleaned up poor "fuck it" throws from first half 2023
- has unique Harlem Globetrotter skill when running options, rpo's, change arm slots, juke defenders, crossovers
- great at changing arm slots to complete passes in traffic
- weakness - often passes up easy throws to go big game hunting - coaching will be important here to find balance
- pre-snap processing gives him relatively poor idea where to go with the ball early in the play
- has struggled to find answers to disguised coverages though there are examples of him beating them
- relatively inefficient utilizing middle of the field esp compared to drake Maye
- pro comp: Josh Allen
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/10/2024 5:00 pm : link
Daniels is the dude I want. But I don’t see him there at six. If we want him, we’ll have to trade up.
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Manhattan : 2/10/2024 5:00 pm : link
In comment 16394780 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Daniels is the dude I want. But I don’t see him there at six. If we want him, we’ll have to trade up.


In a vacuum you would take Daniels over Williams or Maye?
Manhattan.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 2/10/2024 5:10 pm : link
I think so. I think he’s going to be the best of the three, but TBD.
RE: Manhattan.  
BleedBlue46 : 2/10/2024 5:22 pm : link
In comment 16394785 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think so. I think he’s going to be the best of the three, but TBD.


Daniels is my #1, he is only a year older than CW and I just see his game translating much better to the NFL. He can be like a better version of Lamar imo.
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Toth029 : 2/10/2024 6:31 pm : link
Penix is nothing like Ryan Tannehill.

Tannehill was a WR in college in his first two seasons and when he turned to QB, showed off his athleticism by running. Penix can't run at all.
JJ is growing on me...  
JCin332 : 2/10/2024 7:16 pm : link
They could pick BPA @ 6 and then try to move back up later in 1st?
Tuas brother  
ajr2456 : 2/10/2024 7:42 pm : link
Isn’t better than Travis ignoring the injury
RE: JJ is growing on me...  
Toth029 : 2/10/2024 8:02 pm : link
In comment 16394828 JCin332 said:
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They could pick BPA @ 6 and then try to move back up later in 1st?


I think JJ is going top 15, for sure.
IMO its Williams and then everyone else  
PatersonPlank : 2/10/2024 8:07 pm : link
To me he is so clearly the leading guy, the others have many more questions.
people think JJ is going at the end of the first round  
blueblood : 2/10/2024 8:57 pm : link
are delusional. There are TOO many teams that need QBs behind the Giants

Atlanta
Jets
Vikings
Broncos
Raiders
Tampa Bay

could all legitimately take a QB in round 1. The whole trade back up to the END of round one to take a QB is a fantasy.
RE: people think JJ is going at the end of the first round  
Scooter185 : 2/10/2024 9:43 pm : link
In comment 16394889 blueblood said:
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are delusional. There are TOO many teams that need QBs behind the Giants

Atlanta
Jets
Vikings
Broncos
Raiders
Tampa Bay

could all legitimately take a QB in round 1. The whole trade back up to the END of round one to take a QB is a fantasy.


+1
RE: people think JJ is going at the end of the first round  
Sammo85 : 2/10/2024 10:07 pm : link
In comment 16394889 blueblood said:
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are delusional. There are TOO many teams that need QBs behind the Giants

Atlanta
Jets
Vikings
Broncos
Raiders
Tampa Bay

could all legitimately take a QB in round 1. The whole trade back up to the END of round one to take a QB is a fantasy.


This is completely off base. People keep assuming all these teams WANT to take a QB. Many don’t. A lot of them don’t feel pressure to just take a QB. Lot of front offices and decision makers don’t have a year or two to wait for a QB to develop and some don’t subscribe to drafting QBs as reach picks. Some want their jobs to hold and believe in deepening a roster especially if you’re going to have a QB that has questions or needs to be schemed around.
RE: RE: people think JJ is going at the end of the first round  
blueblood : 2/10/2024 10:13 pm : link
In comment 16394935 Sammo85 said:
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In comment 16394889 blueblood said:


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are delusional. There are TOO many teams that need QBs behind the Giants

Atlanta
Jets
Vikings
Broncos
Raiders
Tampa Bay

could all legitimately take a QB in round 1. The whole trade back up to the END of round one to take a QB is a fantasy.



This is completely off base. People keep assuming all these teams WANT to take a QB. Many don’t. A lot of them don’t feel pressure to just take a QB. Lot of front offices and decision makers don’t have a year or two to wait for a QB to develop and some don’t subscribe to drafting QBs as reach picks. Some want their jobs to hold and believe in deepening a roster especially if you’re going to have a QB that has questions or needs to be schemed around.


I didnt say that WOULD... what I said was that they all COULD. All those teams have a legitmate need @ QB so you cant assume that some QB will necessarily be available later in round 1 or round 2.
RE: RE: RE: people think JJ is going at the end of the first round  
Sammo85 : 2/10/2024 10:27 pm : link
In comment 16394940 blueblood said:
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In comment 16394935 Sammo85 said:


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In comment 16394889 blueblood said:


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are delusional. There are TOO many teams that need QBs behind the Giants

Atlanta
Jets
Vikings
Broncos
Raiders
Tampa Bay

could all legitimately take a QB in round 1. The whole trade back up to the END of round one to take a QB is a fantasy.



This is completely off base. People keep assuming all these teams WANT to take a QB. Many don’t. A lot of them don’t feel pressure to just take a QB. Lot of front offices and decision makers don’t have a year or two to wait for a QB to develop and some don’t subscribe to drafting QBs as reach picks. Some want their jobs to hold and believe in deepening a roster especially if you’re going to have a QB that has questions or needs to be schemed around.



I didnt say that WOULD... what I said was that they all COULD. All those teams have a legitmate need @ QB so you cant assume that some QB will necessarily be available later in round 1 or round 2.


Assumptions can go both ways. There’s no bet they have these QBs ranked high, particularly the second tier of QBs. Jets and Bucs are unlikely to take QB at all (Jets have no 2nd round pick and need OL help badly). Couple of them may go vet route for couple yrs (Garoppolo, Cousins, Wilson, Brissett). Vikings and Falcons I can see looking if value is there but those front offices go for different approaches in how they scout, but Broncos who knows. Keep in mind if Bears take Williams, Fields gets added to the market.
I find it interesting...  
bw in dc : 2/10/2024 10:44 pm : link
how this guy knocks Daniels for his processing within the LSU offense. Basically, saying it's a simple offense to read.

Meanwhile, Williams has played for Lincoln Riley who makes every QB look good. It's the most QB friendly system in the nation. Hell, Williams skipped the Holiday Bowl against Louisville and Riley played little used Miller Moss at QB. And all Miller did was throw for 6 TDs and had a near perfect QBR.
I find it hilarious that  
outeiroj : 2/11/2024 2:42 am : link
Williams pro comp is someone who is 3-5 inches and 30-50lbs heavier than him. At least on tape he looks considerably smaller than what USC lists him as and given the type of football he likes to play he carries a significant injury risk.

I get the fanfare, he makes mahomes type plays, but so do a lot of kids in college who can't transition into the nfl because nfl defenses are considerably bigger, stronger & smarter than the defenses in college especially in the Pac-12

Justin Fields salary next year is under 1.7m, the 5th year option is 25 million. Thats 2 years for 27m or they can trade him, draft a qb and get 4 years for 45m.

I think the extra picks + someone like MHJ if they can maneuver a trade into the 4/5 range would be a homerun.
RE: I find it interesting...  
NormanAllen_95 : 2/11/2024 3:27 am : link
In comment 16394949 bw in dc said:
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how this guy knocks Daniels for his processing within the LSU offense. Basically, saying it's a simple offense to read.

Meanwhile, Williams has played for Lincoln Riley who makes every QB look good. It's the most QB friendly system in the nation. Hell, Williams skipped the Holiday Bowl against Louisville and Riley played little used Miller Moss at QB. And all Miller did was throw for 6 TDs and had a near perfect QBR.


Rattler dod NOT look good his last year at OU. Could be that Caleb was just a far better player than Rattler. Same with Davis Webb vs Baker.
RE: I find it interesting...  
Mike in NY : 2/11/2024 6:45 am : link
In comment 16394949 bw in dc said:
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how this guy knocks Daniels for his processing within the LSU offense. Basically, saying it's a simple offense to read.

Meanwhile, Williams has played for Lincoln Riley who makes every QB look good. It's the most QB friendly system in the nation. Hell, Williams skipped the Holiday Bowl against Louisville and Riley played little used Miller Moss at QB. And all Miller did was throw for 6 TDs and had a near perfect QBR.


Look at who the OP is. He has been hyping Williams nonstop (immediately a Top 10 NFL QB at worst).
RE: RE: I find it interesting...  
Manhattan : 2/11/2024 7:32 am : link
In comment 16394984 Mike in NY said:
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In comment 16394949 bw in dc said:


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how this guy knocks Daniels for his processing within the LSU offense. Basically, saying it's a simple offense to read.

Meanwhile, Williams has played for Lincoln Riley who makes every QB look good. It's the most QB friendly system in the nation. Hell, Williams skipped the Holiday Bowl against Louisville and Riley played little used Miller Moss at QB. And all Miller did was throw for 6 TDs and had a near perfect QBR.



Look at who the OP is. He has been hyping Williams nonstop (immediately a Top 10 NFL QB at worst).


What does my opinion of Williams have to do with what this guy says about these QBs? I have tried to report his analysis as objectively as possible. Did you watch the video? Did I do a poor job conveying his opinion?
RE: I find it hilarious that  
Manhattan : 2/11/2024 7:33 am : link
In comment 16394968 outeiroj said:
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Williams pro comp is someone who is 3-5 inches and 30-50lbs heavier than him. At least on tape he looks considerably smaller than what USC lists him as and given the type of football he likes to play he carries a significant injury risk.

I get the fanfare, he makes mahomes type plays, but so do a lot of kids in college who can't transition into the nfl because nfl defenses are considerably bigger, stronger & smarter than the defenses in college especially in the Pac-12

Justin Fields salary next year is under 1.7m, the 5th year option is 25 million. Thats 2 years for 27m or they can trade him, draft a qb and get 4 years for 45m.

I think the extra picks + someone like MHJ if they can maneuver a trade into the 4/5 range would be a homerun.


Care to point out which kids play the position in the same manner as Caleb Williams? Seems you know something a lot of the NFL would like to know.
RE: I find it interesting...  
Manhattan : 2/11/2024 7:46 am : link
In comment 16394949 bw in dc said:
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how this guy knocks Daniels for his processing within the LSU offense. Basically, saying it's a simple offense to read.

Meanwhile, Williams has played for Lincoln Riley who makes every QB look good. It's the most QB friendly system in the nation. Hell, Williams skipped the Holiday Bowl against Louisville and Riley played little used Miller Moss at QB. And all Miller did was throw for 6 TDs and had a near perfect QBR.


The main question about Daniels vis a vis the LSU system is regarding the middle of the field. He doesn't see Daniels utilizing the middle of the field which is important in the NFL. And he wonders if this is a Daniels issue or if it is an LSU problem. He does go over Williams' weaknesses, but he doesn't attribute those problems as potentially stemming from the scheme. I'm not sure what your complaint is. Did you watch the video?
I find it interesting that 2 of Williams’s biggest weaknesses,  
Spider56 : 2/11/2024 10:05 am : link
regarding pre snap processing and coverage complexity are basically glazed over in the discussion, but they are also the biggest complaints on DJ. There’s also no mention of him crying home to mommy when he can’t handle something.

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