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| The Giants are confident Daniel Jones will be ready to go Week 1 after tearing his ACL in early November. He’s been in the team facility regularly for rehab work, and while he’s not moving a lot yet, he’s said to be making good progress. Jones has $35.5 million fully guaranteed in 2024; after that, the guarantees are for injury only. The Giants are sitting at No. 6 in the draft order, which means they’d likely have to move up to nab one of the top quarterbacks in April. GM Joe Schoen attended a handful of games this past fall in which those passers were playing, including the USC-Washington game that featured both Caleb Williams and Michael Penix Jr.. Keep an eye on Big Blue to see if they try jockeying for position at the top of the draft. |
Would rather, if able, they go all the way up to #1 so that it ensures Schoen/Daboll get their top choice. It will be costly but worth it if they get it right.
And no excuses.
It suggests they'll be in the QB market in the first round. I think it's news worthy especially since we get 3-4 threads per week about reports the Giants "still believe in Daniel"
That's not happening. the Commanders and Pats are picking QBs at 2 and 3 respectively.
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At 4 or 5 or possibly 3
That's not happening. the Commanders and Pats are picking QBs at 2 and 3 respectively.
While I agree it's likely the Pats will take a QB at #3, I don't think it's anything close to a certainty.
When QB1 and QB2 fly off the board New England will be there on the clock with a choice between sloppy thirds, the QB CHI and WASH didn't want, a QB they may not like, and Marvin Harrison Jr, who is regarded as the best receiving prospect since Calvin Johnson. I do believe they are likely to draft a QB but I don't think it is nearly as fait accompli as it is portrayed.
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At 4 or 5 or possibly 3
That's not happening. the Commanders and Pats are picking QBs at 2 and 3 respectively.
Maybe or maybe not. A lot of people don’t think Maye is going top three though.
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At 4 or 5 or possibly 3
That's not happening. the Commanders and Pats are picking QBs at 2 and 3 respectively.
But it might not be the QB everyone expects. Some smoke out there with McCarthy now and Daniels may be one who drops and could even be there at 5 or 6.
I am in the camp of a really god QB giving you the best chance to win week in and week out. Every rule in the league is being altered to protect them and give them more freedom to make plays. That will only continue.
If Schoen and Daboll have found one or more QBs they love in the top 3 they should do everything they can to move up and get him. Then it is up to the coaches to make sure he reaches the potential they see. I would love to see them land a guy to build this team around.
That said I would still expect the Giants to still kick the tires on a possible move up if one is available but in the end it is just hard to see teams with much bigger needs at QB than the Giants passing on one of the top 3.
I don't see it happening.
Time to go into a football bunker for while.....
This. Maybe the Pats love Bo Nix.
What if the QB is part of why the line looks bad?
lol. Keep up the good fight, Carl. You’re a true hero to the DJFC
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This blurb that suggests we should "keep an eye on the Giants to see if they try jockeying for position at the top of the draft" doesn't really mean anything. It's not even speculation that the Giants are thinking about trading up for a QB or replacing DJ.
It suggests they'll be in the QB market in the first round. I think it's news worthy especially since we get 3-4 threads per week about reports the Giants "still believe in Daniel"
I have no issue with a discussion about the possibility of trading up because it's fun to speculate. And lord knows I'd be thrilled if the Giants could land one of the top 3 QBs. But that blurb absolutely does NOT suggest that the Giants will be in the QB market in the first round.
"Keep an eye on Big Blue to see if they try jockeying for position...", doesn't mean that Ian has inside information that the Giants will trade up (or down) for a QB, or that they're even thinking about doing so.
Again, no issue with the discussion. I just think that Ian's blurb about the Giants isn't even speculation.
Maye would be a great consolation prize. And frankly, he has parts to his game that Williams will never match - overall size.
That said I would still expect the Giants to still kick the tires on a possible move up if one is available but in the end it is just hard to see teams with much bigger needs at QB than the Giants passing on one of the top 3.
You could make the argument that all three of the QB needy teams ahead of us have a better QB than the Giants. And they aren’t paying them what the Giants are paying Jones.
The Giants may have the worst QB situation in the league when you consider lack of talent with monetary commitment. That has to be addressed ASAP.
You're missing the silver lining of winning those inconsequential games:
Shows the players still play hard for Daboll, helps in building a winning culture, a win is a win is a win, blah, blah, blah and blah.
Considering what's available in this draft and the real problems we have at the most critical position, being in the number six slot is fitting for this franchise.
We are in no man's land...
'22 semi miraculous season leading directly to the shit show beginning of '23 is the poster child for the anti argument of winning building culture.
Giants should have been in tank mode the moment it was unmistakenly obvious we were going nowhere.
Now we're in the situation of having massive resources invested in DJ and needing to invest massive resources to move up, or bring in a quality vet. That's a bitter pill that might make the brass think rolling with DJ again is a good idea.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the gods will smile on us and a decent prospect is there at 6, or down the line. That's not good planning, though, to depend on luck.
'22 semi miraculous season leading directly to the shit show beginning of '23 is the poster child for the anti argument of winning building culture.
Giants should have been in tank mode the moment it was unmistakenly obvious we were going nowhere.
Now we're in the situation of having massive resources invested in DJ and needing to invest massive resources to move up, or bring in a quality vet. That's a bitter pill that might make the brass think rolling with DJ again is a good idea.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the gods will smile on us and a decent prospect is there at 6, or down the line. That's not good planning, though, to depend on luck.
You mean the team that trotted out Tommy DeVito wasn't in tank mode? Come on. Daboll would be likely looking for work right now if he went 2-15. Easy for fans to say this.
Yep, just a question of how much it would cost.
There was some complaining about the cost for Eli, but 2 Super Bowl wins and 2 Super Bowl MVPs later, I'd say it was worth it.
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absolutely.
'22 semi miraculous season leading directly to the shit show beginning of '23 is the poster child for the anti argument of winning building culture.
Giants should have been in tank mode the moment it was unmistakenly obvious we were going nowhere.
Now we're in the situation of having massive resources invested in DJ and needing to invest massive resources to move up, or bring in a quality vet. That's a bitter pill that might make the brass think rolling with DJ again is a good idea.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the gods will smile on us and a decent prospect is there at 6, or down the line. That's not good planning, though, to depend on luck.
You mean the team that trotted out Tommy DeVito wasn't in tank mode? Come on. Daboll would be likely looking for work right now if he went 2-15. Easy for fans to say this.
Tanking in the NFL is akin to a sales department realizing they will fall short of sales goals, and decides to tank sales so that the turnaround next year will be all the more stunning. It misses that these are people, and this is their livelihood, and folks on staff won’t forget you screwed with their careers.
NFL teams do not actively tank seasons. It is a silly thing to expect.
You mean the team that trotted out Tommy DeVito wasn't in tank mode? Come on. Daboll would be likely looking for work right now if he went 2-15. Easy for fans to say this.
How do you know Daboll would have been on the market looking for work if we went 2-15? Are those four extra wins really material?
We still missed the playoffs, but we lost critical spots in the draft process. What would have been better for the franchise in preparing for the long term? Only two wins or the actual six?
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You mean the team that trotted out Tommy DeVito wasn't in tank mode? Come on. Daboll would be likely looking for work right now if he went 2-15. Easy for fans to say this.
How do you know Daboll would have been on the market looking for work if we went 2-15? Are those four extra wins really material?
We still missed the playoffs, but we lost critical spots in the draft process. What would have been better for the franchise in preparing for the long term? Only two wins or the actual six?
2 wins would have been better with regards to the draft, but I see no reason to dwell on it. Teams will always try to win on game day.
If Joe Schoen went into his interview saying, "my plan is to go 2-15 and draft a QB high." That isn't a plan. It's Schoen's job to manage the draft and get a QB.
Notice the two teams playing today didn't need to tank for a top 3 pick. Loser franchises rely on that and bitching or blaming the Giants for a few wins is a waste of energy imo.
It's also really hard to go 2-15. You need a ton of luck to be that bad. Relying on that is not realistic imo.
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You mean the team that trotted out Tommy DeVito wasn't in tank mode? Come on. Daboll would be likely looking for work right now if he went 2-15. Easy for fans to say this.
How do you know Daboll would have been on the market looking for work if we went 2-15? Are those four extra wins really material?
We still missed the playoffs, but we lost critical spots in the draft process. What would have been better for the franchise in preparing for the long term? Only two wins or the actual six?
For a guy that is laughably arrogant for absolutely no reason, you sure are freakin clueless. That’s your fantasy world that teams are going to go out there and lose games intentionally for half the season. You may see them mail it in the last week of the season but what you clowns are suggesting is completely asinine. Easy shit to say from for couch
So it could have been much worse.
Well this sure would be a really boring place if everyone just posted “I hope JS and BD have a plan and follow it. I’ll be ok with whatever they decide because I am not a pro.”
It’s ok for fans to have opinions, like some players and not like others. The discussion and arguing isn’t hurting the Giants.
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You mean the team that trotted out Tommy DeVito wasn't in tank mode? Come on. Daboll would be likely looking for work right now if he went 2-15. Easy for fans to say this.
How do you know Daboll would have been on the market looking for work if we went 2-15? Are those four extra wins really material?
We still missed the playoffs, but we lost critical spots in the draft process. What would have been better for the franchise in preparing for the long term? Only two wins or the actual six?
The idea that the coaches or players are going to tank is nothing more than a fan driven delusion. I'd love the #1 pick but also realize professional athletes and coaches aren't going to try and lose games.
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Do intelligent scouting and development. Basically, JS and BD need a plan and to execute on it. There isn’t going g to be any sure thing falling into our lap. There’s so much complaining about has to be this guy or can’t be that guy. I dint care about that. Get a plan and see it through. Fans are embarrassingly conceited in overestimating their ability to predict outcomes.
Well this sure would be a really boring place if everyone just posted “I hope JS and BD have a plan and follow it. I’ll be ok with whatever they decide because I am not a pro.”
It’s ok for fans to have opinions, like some players and not like others. The discussion and arguing isn’t hurting the Giants.
'22 semi miraculous season leading directly to the shit show beginning of '23 is the poster child for the anti argument of winning building culture.
Giants should have been in tank mode the moment it was unmistakenly obvious we were going nowhere.
Now we're in the situation of having massive resources invested in DJ and needing to invest massive resources to move up, or bring in a quality vet. That's a bitter pill that might make the brass think rolling with DJ again is a good idea.
Maybe we'll get lucky and the gods will smile on us and a decent prospect is there at 6, or down the line. That's not good planning, though, to depend on luck.
That sums it up well, especially your last paragraph.
However, I think my original theory has merit here. Schoen and Daboll are still comfortable being hitched to Jones in the long-term and being in the Big Three Sweepstakes was never a priority.
So, whether we finished with the 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 10th pick didn't matter. They will look to upgrade at position outside QB.