And while we have been stuck in a rather dark period for better than 10 years now, we’ve lost almost no ground on them in the big picture as a franchise.
Cowboys haven’t even sniffed a Super Bowl since the mid-90s and we still stand to tie them up with 5 when we win our next.
The 2017 Eagles really hurt in that the trophy case is no longer empty, but I’ll still take our 4 to their 1.
And yes, considering the odds are always with the field, it’s important to recognize stuff like this at the end of the season. If we can just get our shit together we’ll be ok.
Only thing Dallas has over "us" is one more Super Bowl.
Their post season record is absolutely pathetic post Aikman Super Bowl victory in 1995.
Jamie ... pull that shit up
An organization as well run as the 49ers and they run into the Reid Mahomes buzzsaw. All that talent and work and they suffer a devastating defeat.
I think 2011 was it for us.
An organization as well run as the 49ers and they run into the Reid Mahomes buzzsaw. All that talent and work and they suffer a devastating defeat.
I think 2011 was it for us.
Although I'm not that fatalist, I do think the Giants invited bad football karma for potentially decades with the 2018 draft. Here is a team that had two magical runs in 2007 and 2011, was given a rare chance at rebuilding with the 2nd pick in the draft after a 3-13, looked at the football landscape (and the foundations of what coaches like Reid, McVay, and Shannahan were building), and said to themselves, "you know what? What we really need is a running back!"
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth (and I don't even mean they had to draft Darnold or something. At least pick up the damn phone and listen to the trade offers).
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Than stroll down memory lane and count Superbowls over the decades. Your team’s history is important, but so is looking forward to a big game you have some hope of winning.
To each their own.
Yea, because it’s not possible to want your team to be better but also have some perspective for a moment while we’re not at the top.
What’s the perspective? They were good 13 years ago? Cool.
13 years is a long time without being competitive
Why are you such a douche? The perspective, seeing as you lack any of it, is that in sports the odds are always going to be with the field and since you're not winning every year, it's helpful to look at the overall franchise resume.
How else can you ultimately measure NFL franchises if not by Super Bowl titles, or if you want to go back further, overall championships?
Since you are too busy being a cry baby, obviously you don't see this.
An organization as well run as the 49ers and they run into the Reid Mahomes buzzsaw. All that talent and work and they suffer a devastating defeat.
I think 2011 was it for us.
Just 4 years ago the Chiefs went 50 years without a Super Bowl appearance. Now they're the team everyone is sick of.
Why are you such a douche? The perspective, seeing as you lack any of it, is that in sports the odds are always going to be with the field and since you're not winning every year, it's helpful to look at the overall franchise resume.
How else can you ultimately measure NFL franchises if not by Super Bowl titles, or if you want to go back further, overall championships?
Since you are too busy being a cry baby, obviously you don't see this.
The attitude of resting on their laurels is exactly why the Giants are in the spot they are.
You can call it being a cry baby if you want, but I want to watch a good football team. Two outlier Super Bowl runs 13 and 17 years ago don’t change that.
The Giants have made the postseason 10 times in the last 30 years. They have been under .500 15 of the other years.
The OP merely pointed out it's a relief to see Dallas and Philly (And SF) not win a title once again.
I am sure you can find something else to argue about other than this particular thread. Throw a dart at any other page 1 topic.
The Giants have been bad for a number of reasons, the least of all being they are too loyal. They go through staff and coaches like I go through socks. They have been bad because they haven't drafted enough good and great players.
It aint the fans. It aint this thread. IT's PLAYERS. Not enough of them.
The Giants have been bad for a number of reasons, the least of all being they are too loyal. They go through staff and coaches like I go through socks. They have been bad because they haven't drafted enough good and great players.
It aint the fans. It aint this thread. IT's PLAYERS. Not enough of them.
The funny thing is, I opened by acknowledging the "dark period" we've been in.
This was far from a chest thumping exercise. Just an acknowledgement that overall, we've had it pretty good given how hard it is to actually win.
Dude stop. Please. Can you go one fucking day without going "there." ONE DAY.
SInce 2013 the Giants wacked so many coaches, asst coaches and GMS I have literally lost count.
Go ahead and say it....you can't not say it.
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Not sure what fantasy you’re living in.
Dude stop. Please. Can you go one fucking day without going "there." ONE DAY.
SInce 2013 the Giants wacked so many coaches, asst coaches and GMS I have literally lost count.
Go ahead and say it....you can't not say it.
You’ve lost count at two GMS?
Can you stop? Sorry the truth bothers you so much. You do this on every thread where someone is critical of the Giant.
The Giants weren’t too loyal to Reese, Coughlin, Eli? They all should have been moved on two years before they actually were moved on from. That’s playing a role in why the Giants are where they are at. They weren’t too loyal to Gettleman? Him blowing every pick in 2021 is a big reason why the Giants are where they’re at, he should have never been given the chance. They haven’t been too loyal to Daniel Jones?
The Knicks, the worst run team since the late 90s, has 5 more playoff appearances over the last 30 years, and 3 more since the Giants last won a Super Bowl. That’s where the Giants are right now.
No coach in history has survived missing the playoffs six out of seven years. None. The only coaches in modern history who have kept their jobs after missing the playoffs 4 straight years are Norv Turner and Jason Garrett.
And I know djm will disagree, but Coughlin's game management in 2015 was bad. All the data on the team indicated that they should've finished 8-8. That would've probably bought TC another season.
Yea well we still have never recovered. And that 2015 team was still the best offense we have seen here since and despite fielding the shittiest defense in the entire league that team was in nearly every game.
I wish we had Coughlin 2016. Call me crazy I would bet both nuts that 2016 team does better with a real HC at the helm.
IT's done so this is pointless. Just don't tell me the Giants are too fucking loyal all because of Daniel Jones. Enough already.
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No coach in history has survived missing the playoffs six out of seven years.
Sorry, not history, since 1980.
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Not sure what fantasy you’re living in.
Dude stop. Please. Can you go one fucking day without going "there." ONE DAY.
SInce 2013 the Giants wacked so many coaches, asst coaches and GMS I have literally lost count.
Go ahead and say it....you can't not say it.
You’ve lost count at two GMS?
Can you stop? Sorry the truth bothers you so much. You do this on every thread where someone is critical of the Giant.
The Giants weren’t too loyal to Reese, Coughlin, Eli? They all should have been moved on two years before they actually were moved on from. That’s playing a role in why the Giants are where they are at. They weren’t too loyal to Gettleman? Him blowing every pick in 2021 is a big reason why the Giants are where they’re at, he should have never been given the chance. They haven’t been too loyal to Daniel Jones?
You're wrong on this one. You came on a thread that had nothing to do with your obsessive horse shit and bitched. And now you're insisting that firing 2 GMS and FOUR, count them....FOUR head coaches in UNDER TEN YEARS, as too loyal.
Just find another thread.
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Should have fired him, Cut him. Traded him. Never drafted him. NEver signed him long term. Over paid. OVER PAID!!!!
Happy now? EVen though it has nothing to do with the OP. Good.
Instead by refusing to invest in the QB position after drafting Jones, they left Judge with the situation that ultimately got him fired. If they had Tyrod when Jones got hurt that year, Judge probably doesn’t get fired.
Instead by refusing to invest in the QB position after drafting Jones, they left Judge with the situation that ultimately got him fired. If they had Tyrod when Jones got hurt that year, Judge probably doesn’t get fired.
And the first thing Judge did after he was fired was gush about how tough Jones was.
Whatever he's doing in that building, it's worked across multiple regimes now. I don't think it's neccessarily Mara.
The Knicks, the worst run team since the late 90s, has 5 more playoff appearances over the last 30 years, and 3 more since the Giants last won a Super Bowl. That’s where the Giants are right now.
The Eagles "almost" won it last year lol.
Funny how the BBI fan police throw that word around as casually as they like but if you ever apply the word "almost" to anything the Giants do you are a blind loyalist pollyanna.
You're wrong on this one. You came on a thread that had nothing to do with your obsessive horse shit and bitched. And now you're insisting that firing 2 GMS and FOUR, count them....FOUR head coaches in UNDER TEN YEARS, as too loyal.
Just find another thread.
I’m not wrong. You don’t have to engage.
And what’s my horse shit? That the Giants have sucked for 13 years? That gloating about the Cowboys and Eagles not winning the Super Bowl after making the playoffs is stupid?
Just like you have opinions, other people have options. Why you get so mad about it is wild to me.
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Is such a loser mentality. The Eagles have won one more recently, and almost won last year. The Cowboys are in the playoffs more often than not.
The Knicks, the worst run team since the late 90s, has 5 more playoff appearances over the last 30 years, and 3 more since the Giants last won a Super Bowl. That’s where the Giants are right now.
The Eagles "almost" won it last year lol.
Funny how the BBI fan police throw that word around as casually as they like but if you ever apply the word "almost" to anything the Giants do you are a blind loyalist pollyanna.
What have the Giants almost done the last 13 years? The Eagles were leading in the 4th quarter. I think almost applied to that. What would you call it?
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Is such a loser mentality. The Eagles have won one more recently, and almost won last year. The Cowboys are in the playoffs more often than not.
The Knicks, the worst run team since the late 90s, has 5 more playoff appearances over the last 30 years, and 3 more since the Giants last won a Super Bowl. That’s where the Giants are right now.
The Eagles "almost" won it last year lol.
Funny how the BBI fan police throw that word around as casually as they like but if you ever apply the word "almost" to anything the Giants do you are a blind loyalist pollyanna.
What have the Giants almost done the last 13 years? The Eagles were leading in the 4th quarter. I think almost applied to that. What would you call it?
You seem incapable of separating a fan from someone who actually has clout within the Giants organization. But I'd expect anyone who actually likes the Giants to share that sentiment right around 11:30 EST last night, except you obviously.
I am a random fan on a message board posting that I'm happy that at the end of another season, both the Cowboys and Eagles were championship-less again. It wasn't even a gloat as I stated we've been in a dark period.
This seems like a you problem, not a me problem.
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You're wrong on this one. You came on a thread that had nothing to do with your obsessive horse shit and bitched. And now you're insisting that firing 2 GMS and FOUR, count them....FOUR head coaches in UNDER TEN YEARS, as too loyal.
Just find another thread.
I’m not wrong. You don’t have to engage.
And what’s my horse shit? That the Giants have sucked for 13 years? That gloating about the Cowboys and Eagles not winning the Super Bowl after making the playoffs is stupid?
Just like you have opinions, other people have options. Why you get so mad about it is wild to me.
You're making points that aren't pertinent to this thread or what I said earlier. You came on a thread that merely showed relief that our rivals caved in January and started talking about too much loyalty and now you're spinning off into how much NYG have sucked. Everyone knows that and again, not pertinent at all to the OP or my counter point that Mara has fired everyone over and over again. It's not loyalty issues. It's bad drafts.
And every point you make is rooted in DJ. You can't let one thread go, even one that has nothing to do with Jones.
I know you're mad. I know you want better play. We all do. I empathize with every NYG fan. I will leave it at that. Common ground.
You're making points that aren't pertinent to this thread or what I said earlier. You came on a thread that merely showed relief that our rivals caved in January and started talking about too much loyalty and now you're spinning off into how much NYG have sucked. Everyone knows that and again, not pertinent at all to the OP or my counter point that Mara has fired everyone over and over again. It's not loyalty issues. It's bad drafts.
And every point you make is rooted in DJ. You can't let one thread go, even one that has nothing to do with Jones.
I know you're mad. I know you want better play. We all do. I empathize with every NYG fan. I will leave it at that. Common ground.
You may want to reread the thread because you brought up loyalty and I responded to it.
I mentioned Jones has one name of several the Giants have been too loyal to and has put them in the predicament they are in, you seem to only want to focus on that name.
Set your bar higher, and the team will begin to do the same. They see the complacency, and mirror it.
Set your bar higher, and the team will begin to do the same. They see the complacency, and mirror it.
Sounds like you're over-valuing the impact of yourself as a fan.
Really weird performance by you on this thread.
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I don’t TC was ‘unfairly’ bounced after 15. The only thing unfair about that was that Reese wasn’t shown the door either.
No coach in history has survived missing the playoffs six out of seven years. None. The only coaches in modern history who have kept their jobs after missing the playoffs 4 straight years are Norv Turner and Jason Garrett.
And I know djm will disagree, but Coughlin's game management in 2015 was bad. All the data on the team indicated that they should've finished 8-8. That would've probably bought TC another season.
We've done so much better with his 4 successors, and that assumes #4 makes it which is 50-50 right now.
The same tub thumpers were trying that with Tomlin this season only the Rooneys aren't morons and didn't pay any attention to it.
There was a game where Eli threw 6 touchdowns and they still lost. Why? Because Drew Brees threw for 7.
Wow... I saw the thread title before I clicked into it and was going to post the same thing about it being a loser mentality.
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Be glad those teams are out. Even though the Giants were eliminated by the Eagles last year in the playoffs, it was hilarious to watch them and their scumbag fans have to watch it unfold in the SB.
They'd do the same.
What's with the weirdo hipster thing these days and not being joyful your team's rivals were bumped out of the playoffs? Can we please have SOME normalcy?
There was a game where Eli threw 6 touchdowns and they still lost. Why? Because Drew Brees threw for 7.
They had a top 5 offense and a bottom 5 defense. That evens out to 8-8. They had a very good QB in the last year of his prime, the best WR in the league, and a functional Oline (best post-2013). That's all it takes 90 percent of the time for a great offense; the Giants just assume it's much more complicated because they can't acknowledge that they've failed to get all three of the above in the Jones era (QB most of all).
Bad end-of-game management cost them against the Cowboys and Patriots, it was widely acknowledge by nearly everyone at the time. There was a ton of other stuff, but what stood out to be was TC not going for it on 4th down in 2nd half on three separate occassions between the Eagles 35-40 yard line despite playing at home with a top-5 offense...during a season (and career) finale.
My opinion is that everything post 2012 has sucked and there's no alternate history where Eli/TC lift their 3rd Lombardi trophy together. Just because this current era sucks doesn't mean the Giants made a mistake moving on from any of Coughlin, Eli, or Reese. Reese declined first, followed by Coughlin, followed by Eli. It was over after Hurricane Sandy, and the Giants were just the last to realize it.
In fact, several Eagles fans that I've known have offered grudging admiration of Eli, Coughlin, Bavaro, and other NY Giants.
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In fact, several Eagles fans that I've known have offered grudging admiration of Eli, Coughlin, Bavaro, and other NY Giants.
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You're wrong on this one. You came on a thread that had nothing to do with your obsessive horse shit and bitched. And now you're insisting that firing 2 GMS and FOUR, count them....FOUR head coaches in UNDER TEN YEARS, as too loyal.
Just find another thread.
I’m not wrong. You don’t have to engage.
And what’s my horse shit? That the Giants have sucked for 13 years? That gloating about the Cowboys and Eagles not winning the Super Bowl after making the playoffs is stupid?
Just like you have opinions, other people have options. Why you get so mad about it is wild to me.
You're making points that aren't pertinent to this thread or what I said earlier. You came on a thread that merely showed relief that our rivals caved in January and started talking about too much loyalty and now you're spinning off into how much NYG have sucked. Everyone knows that and again, not pertinent at all to the OP or my counter point that Mara has fired everyone over and over again. It's not loyalty issues. It's bad drafts.
And every point you make is rooted in DJ. You can't let one thread go, even one that has nothing to do with Jones.
I know you're mad. I know you want better play. We all do. I empathize with every NYG fan. I will leave it at that. Common ground.
He does this all the time.
In fact, several Eagles fans that I've known have offered grudging admiration of Eli, Coughlin, Bavaro, and other NY Giants.
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I didn't think such a stupid post could ever exist on BBI
Wow. Just wow.