Brady vs Mahomes

Brady took his them to TEN Super Bowls. A little early to say Mahomes is better. Different type of player, and a magician, but he’s got some work ahead of him to match Brady’s greatness.

And “one trick pony”? The only trick in the NFL playing in and winning Super Bowls. He mastered that one.

They called him a “system QB” but he clearly was the system. He was able to take guys like Welker/Edelman and turn them into stars because of his insane combination of velocity/accuracy/vision in that short/intermediate range.

I still might take Mahomes because it really is a discussion but people always relegate Brady to “longevity” when he was a bad bad bad man at his peak due to how he dissected defenses with 8/9/12 yard throws.

It’s also a team sport but Brady has beaten Mahomes twice in huge playoff games as an old man including that legendary AFC title game.

But in terms of better QB, it's not too early to say that. Mahomes has been in the league for seven seasons, he's been to four SBs and won three of them. That's plenty to know how good he is. And not regency bias for me either. I have always seen Pats success as a shared achievement, obviously with Brady deserving the most credit among players, but I tend to put less on Brady than most people. That's always been my view.

to perfection.

How do you explain him winning with a second team? And his first year there

How do you explain him winning with a second team? And his first year there

And his old team completely falling apart after him (and before him btw)

Was the better team. KCs line couldn't step up.

Brady signed a contract with AAV @25M. Other top QBs have AAV of $45 $55M. That team was not built like other teams. It was a, hey, let's make a run construction, and Brady wasn't the only one taking a discount for the cause.

that the Tampa offense when Brady won the SB with them was the best offense Brady had his entire career.

Mike Evans
Chris Godwin
Antonio Brown
Gronk

Fournette

a good OL

but let's wait to see how his career ends. There seems to be this need in sports now to always find the next GOAT or next HOF players before their career is over.

In comment 16396558 JOrthman said:

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but let's wait to see how his career ends. There seems to be this need in sports now to always find the next GOAT or next HOF players before their career is over.

Waiting means forums don’t exist. Nothing wrong with talking about this especially since Mahomes is pacing ahead, is only 28, and is very likely the most talent player to ever play the position and IMO, already a top 5 QB all time.

In comment 16396572 UConn4523 said:

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In comment 16396558 JOrthman said: Quote: but let's wait to see how his career ends. There seems to be this need in sports now to always find the next GOAT or next HOF players before their career is over. Waiting means forums don’t exist. Nothing wrong with talking about this especially since Mahomes is pacing ahead, is only 28, and is very likely the most talent player to ever play the position and IMO, already a top 5 QB all time.

I'm fine discussing it; it was my way of saying Brady is still the GOAT. Also, a way of bashing the media a bit as I see them doing this all the time.

In comment 16396368 Crispino said:

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Brady took his them to TEN Super Bowls. A little early to say Mahomes is better. Different type of player, and a magician, but he’s got some work ahead of him to match Brady’s greatness. And “one trick pony”? The only trick in the NFL playing in and winning Super Bowls. He mastered that one.

I understand the meaning of one trick pony here, but in terms of using that term in any form on Tom Brady, just doesn't seem right.

the media is saying the same stuff we do in group chats. I teed this question up last year after their title to my group chat with 2 Pats fans, it’s a normal conversation.

1. Who would I draft with the first pick overall. I'm drafting Mahomes.

2. Who will have the best career when it's all said and done. Tom Brady.


But Mahomes might be the only other QB capable, in my lifetime , of catching Brady.

In comment 16396596 UConn4523 said:

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the media is saying the same stuff we do in group chats. I teed this question up last year after their title to my group chat with 2 Pats fans, it’s a normal conversation.

I have a deep disdain for sports journalism/media in today's age and this is one of my gripes with it. I'm fine with fans discussing it, but this is one of many things that bothers me about sports media.

But he also had a lot of football luck.

The tuck play, one SB.

The INT at the 1 yard line by Seattle, two SB.

The offside penalty after he throws a game losing INT versus KC, three SB.

He had one go against him with the Tyree catch.

With football luck taken out of the equation Brady would have 5 SB.

Mahomes has another say 7 to 10 years left. But the key to Mahomes winning more titles is Reid.

The great debate was Brady or Belichick. Now it's Mahomes or Reid. I believe Reid offensive scheme and his brilliant play calling, able to adjust to the situation is what makes Mahomes great. Take Reid away and he drops back to the pack of the very best QBs in the NFL.

Can Mahomes win without Reid, I think yes, but not four more times.

Not sure how true that story is, but I wonder how he’d be on this Giants team?

In comment 16396687 fanatic II said:

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But he also had a lot of football luck. The tuck play, one SB. The INT at the 1 yard line by Seattle, two SB. The offside penalty after he throws a game losing INT versus KC, three SB. He had one go against him with the Tyree catch. With football luck taken out of the equation Brady would have 5 SB. Mahomes has another say 7 to 10 years left. But the key to Mahomes winning more titles is Reid. The great debate was Brady or Belichick. Now it's Mahomes or Reid. I believe Reid offensive scheme and his brilliant play calling, able to adjust to the situation is what makes Mahomes great. Take Reid away and he drops back to the pack of the very best QBs in the NFL. Can Mahomes win without Reid, I think yes, but not four more times.

Honestly, I think Reid benefits from Mahomes. Going to KC was great for is career.

And dont get me wrong, they guy is a HOF coach. I also think in addition to benefting from Mahomes he benefits from how the NFL is played today.

Clock management is not what it used to be especially when you can go for it on 4th down from anywhere on the field today. The strategy of the game is much different.

And, rules have never benefited offenses great than today, and Reid is an offensive coach.

In comment 16396687 fanatic II said:

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But he also had a lot of football luck. The tuck play, one SB. The INT at the 1 yard line by Seattle, two SB. The offside penalty after he throws a game losing INT versus KC, three SB. He had one go against him with the Tyree catch. With football luck taken out of the equation Brady would have 5 SB. Mahomes has another say 7 to 10 years left. But the key to Mahomes winning more titles is Reid. The great debate was Brady or Belichick. Now it's Mahomes or Reid. I believe Reid offensive scheme and his brilliant play calling, able to adjust to the situation is what makes Mahomes great. Take Reid away and he drops back to the pack of the very best QBs in the NFL. Can Mahomes win without Reid, I think yes, but not four more times.

Yeah good thing Mahomes hasnt had any good fortune or luck like say a blown extra point by other team or the ball hitting an extra teamer on the leg for a fumble or benefitting from some 50/50 calls like a defensive holding

At the same number of years into their career it is Mahomes. However, what Brady did by winning SB at 37,39,41 and 43 years of age is utterly insane

His 1st 2 years in TB at ages 41 and 42 he put up 10k yards and 83 TDs and won a SB. His numbers were video game like

Mahomes has just played his 6th year and is 28. Does he want to play that long. Brady went I believe 11 years between his 3rd and 4th SB win.

I think Mahomes playoff run this year was his best. Buff and Balt had everything set up for them and lost. He has now run on the road. He is going to be hard to stop

KC and Mahomes are going to be highly motivated going for the 3-peat

If/when Mahomes gets his seventh ring, there won't even be a debate. Frankly, if he three-peats next year, an argument can already be made that he will be both the best and most accomplished. Certainly before the age of thirty!

In comment 16396067 sb from NYT Forum said:

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… talk to me when Mahomes has won three more SBs.

let's nor forget Brady lucked into two.The fumble that wasn't and an interception on the goal line

yesterday in rushing with 66 yards/9 carries to compliment his passing.

So, his ability to run for yards and make plays off-script create a clear separation between him and Brady talent wise. Frankly, it's not even close physically between the two.

Knowing what we know now between these two great players, I can't imagine any GM taking Brady over Mahomes right now. He just has too many ways to beat you.

Personally, I don't think Brady is as good as Montana for many of the same reasons cited for Mahomes. Montana's performances in the Super Bowl are otherworldly. And he played in an era where QBs weren't protected like the endangered species they are today.

So, yes, Brady has the most trophies. And if you want to make that the gold standard metric, Brady still has a healthy lead on Mahomes.

Of course, Bill Russell had considerably more rings than Jordan. But no one in their right mind would ever take him over Jordan and his six rings. Jordan just had too many ways to beat you.

That's Mahomes...

Spanning the AFCC to Super Bowl

And im not saying that to knock the guy but people are losing a little perspective here

Back in the 1980s, the best team faced was often not in the Super Bowl but in the NFC Championship