The Athletic: '24 NFL Mock Draft After Super Bowl (3 Rounds)

if the Giants passed on Daniels at 6.

Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake.

If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake.

and all the belly aching in the world isn't going to change it. What we, the adoring public, see as needs or fixes is not necessarily what Schoen/Daboll see.

They Giants will NOT be taking Oline at #6. No matter how bad the line played, they will not have 3 high 1st round oline picks on the roster unless a FA guard who was a 1st rounder is signed.

I also think it would be foolish to pass on a Penix or Nix if available in the 2nd round.

In comment 16396219 Mike from Ohio said:

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Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake. If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake.

We must be reading different boards. Maybe the Jack Strouds of the world just feel like a lot of fans, but the far majority of fans think the QB situation is a major issue. 77% from Duggan's poll wanted to move off Jones.

get way too lathered up over these spin the wheel mock drafts.

In comment 16396231 Sean said:

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In comment 16396219 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake. If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake. We must be reading different boards. Maybe the Jack Strouds of the world just feel like a lot of fans, but the far majority of fans think the QB situation is a major issue. 77% from Duggan's poll wanted to move off Jones.

It isn’t just Jack Stroud here. Some have dialed back their outward support, but every time you see the “Phil Simms and Eli Manning believe in him and they are smarter than you” posts, you see how many still think Jones is an NFL caliber QB.

If Jones starts week 1 and the team wins, you will absolutely see “We don’t win that game with a rookie making his first NFL start” threads.

Passing on Daniels...I'd vomit.

In comment 16396264 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16396231 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16396219 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake. If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake. We must be reading different boards. Maybe the Jack Strouds of the world just feel like a lot of fans, but the far majority of fans think the QB situation is a major issue. 77% from Duggan's poll wanted to move off Jones. It isn’t just Jack Stroud here. Some have dialed back their outward support, but every time you see the “Phil Simms and Eli Manning believe in him and they are smarter than you” posts, you see how many still think Jones is an NFL caliber QB. If Jones starts week 1 and the team wins, you will absolutely see “We don’t win that game with a rookie making his first NFL start” threads.

I'm convinced that the Giants have a few burner accounts on bbi

They like like borderline spam bots.

If the Giants do nothing to materially address the position, they are going to find how paper-thin the pro-Jones brigade is if the season starts off rocky.

In comment 16396231 Sean said:

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In comment 16396219 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake. If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake. We must be reading different boards. Maybe the Jack Strouds of the world just feel like a lot of fans, but the far majority of fans think the QB situation is a major issue. 77% from Duggan's poll wanted to move off Jones.

Wanting to move off Jones is one thing. Doesn’t mean we want another scrub. Has to be the right QB. I think Williams, Maye, McCarthy all go before the Giants pick at 6.

So the next crop of guys..

I don’t love Daniels. He’s frail, and likely maxed out or close as a guy who will turn 24 his rookie year. I’m an AZ local so maybe I just have a bad taste in my mouth of watching him at ASU where he would occasionally flash but was uninspiring for the most part.

Turn to LSU days…my impression is he doesn’t make many tight window throws, had inflated numbers playing with pro receivers. Backup QB lit up a good defense in the bowl game too. Being a heisman trophy winner means nothing in the NFL, as we all know.

Penix - absolutely not in the first 2 rounds. I see a guy with bad injury history, did not play well against Michigan when his team finally didn’t have a huge personnel advantage. He’s awful on the run - can’t throw on the move. He’s also maxed out (similar to Daniels, he’s a 23 year old college QB, inflated numbers while playing with pro receivers)

Nix - similar argument as the previous two. 2nd round I wouldn’t mind him, but he likely goes late round 1. I like him over Penix at least because he can make plays on the move.

You are already paying Thomas and Neal a good chunk of change on the OL. Even if your plan is to move Neal to guard, you'd be better signing a vet, or drafting a RT later in the draft. That would be better than paying THREE top ten OL.

Just my opinion.

You can always find a reason to not want a QB just like you can always find a reason to keeping Jones. Either way, the QB situation is a major problem with this team.

In comment 16396357 Breeze_94 said:

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In comment 16396231 Sean said: Quote: In comment 16396219 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake. If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake. We must be reading different boards. Maybe the Jack Strouds of the world just feel like a lot of fans, but the far majority of fans think the QB situation is a major issue. 77% from Duggan's poll wanted to move off Jones. Wanting to move off Jones is one thing. Doesn’t mean we want another scrub. Has to be the right QB. I think Williams, Maye, McCarthy all go before the Giants pick at 6. So the next crop of guys.. I don’t love Daniels. He’s frail, and likely maxed out or close as a guy who will turn 24 his rookie year. I’m an AZ local so maybe I just have a bad taste in my mouth of watching him at ASU where he would occasionally flash but was uninspiring for the most part..

Daniels has played in 39 games the past 3 seasons. Averaging 13 games per season, the last two playing in the SEC.

I don’t think frail means what you think it does.

I think what we need to watch here is the Giants staff presence at the Pro Days. If they have a good participation at the QB pro days, then I think it's completely possible that all these reports are falling for a smoke screen.

This is Shoen's job on the line now as well. I think it benefits him and Daboll to pick a QB since it gives them a little longer leash!

but round 2 would be pretty exciting. Worthy is fast fast, our offense would have speed for days. I am also a big fan of Lassiter.

Oregon fan so I have a soft spot for Bucky Irving, naturally. But would rather go a different position in round 3 tbh. But you don't throw your remote at taking Bucky Irving in round 3. R3 would be a great spot to hit the lines again. Especially guard.

I do not want another thread to turn into a Jones thread, but on the chance we keep him - adding another guy that can take short passes for long gains is not a bad idea. That would hold true with a rookie QB too. Lassiter would give us a heck of a 1-2 combo at corner if he's as good as I think he is.

Daniels
Worthy
Lassiter
Mahogony

In comment 16396219 Mike from Ohio said:

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Our GM just signed Jones to a very lucrative deal just a year ago. The question is whether or not they realize how much of a mistake that was and are willing to not double down on it so it doesn’t look like they are admitting a mistake. If Jayden Daniels is there at #6 and they pass on him, to me it will look like the front office is too blind and/or stubborn to admit a mistake.

You clearly haven't been reading the posts on this board because with the exception of 4-5 posters the overwhelming majority knows that they need a new QB.

In comment 16396369 Sean said:

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You can always find a reason to not want a QB just like you can always find a reason to keeping Jones. Either way, the QB situation is a major problem with this team.

And that I agree with you on. But drafting a QB doesn’t solve that problem. Drafting (or acquiring) the right QB solves that problem.

Case in point, how we ended up here in the first place. Giants lock in on QB position in 2019 - even after Herbert returns to school. If the Giants drafted Josh Allen (Jags) in 2019, that next year they likely end up with Herbert in 2020.

It’s better to wait for the right guy then try to make the wrong guy into something he is not.

I could get behind Joe Alt, I'd be a little worried about Worthy, talented player, but a lot like Hyatt, and I feel like they need a little more physicality out of the WR group.

will pass on a QB at 3 UNLESS they perhaps have a trade in mind with the Bears.

In comment 16396559 barens said:

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I could get behind Joe Alt, I'd be a little worried about Worthy, talented player, but a lot like Hyatt, and I feel like they need a little more physicality out of the WR group.

I hear ya! And since you mention “physicality,” the Giants have a physicality problem with their defensive Front 7! And their offensive line. And their TE group.

In comment 16396591 M.S. said:

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In comment 16396559 barens said: Quote: I could get behind Joe Alt, I'd be a little worried about Worthy, talented player, but a lot like Hyatt, and I feel like they need a little more physicality out of the WR group. I hear ya! And since you mention “physicality,” the Giants have a physicality problem with their defensive Front 7! And their offensive line. And their TE group.

That they do.

In comment 16396566 GFAN52 said:

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will pass on a QB at 3 UNLESS they perhaps have a trade in mind with the Bears.

Yeah, I'm not sure who's running that mock draft but they're crazy if they think NE is passing on a QB!

and wouldn't be irate if this was the outcome.

Nabers, Odunze, Alt, Daniels, Maye...

All are good selections and prime time players. Alt seems like low risk. I'm not ready to give up on Evan Neal, but inside info would indicate he's a lost cause if this was the pick.

In comment 16396606 bluewave said:

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In comment 16396566 GFAN52 said: Quote: will pass on a QB at 3 UNLESS they perhaps have a trade in mind with the Bears. Yeah, I'm not sure who's running that mock draft but they're crazy if they think NE is passing on a QB!

If they the Bears go QB which I believe they will, and end up trading Justin Fields, then NE if they could work out a trade for Fields, could select MHjr. Otherwise, I NE them drafting one of the top three QBs, whoever falls to them at 3.

before the combine results are in...but IMO taking Bucky Irving over Blake Corum in the third (if you go RB there) would be a mistake.

They speak of what the Giants need then bypass the QB and then the Defensive Front.