From all accounts it was a Judge pick, but anyhow screw him. I know a lot say let it be, but this guy can't stop attacking the giants org or fans. Dude had the perfect situation to thrive in KC and blew it. He'll be lucky to be on a roster next year
add Toney to the long list of terrible draft picks of recent years
is truthfully, he did have all the talent in the world. He failed to capitalize on the talent he had by refusing to study and work at his craft to learn the playbook and learn to run routes. I will always remember the game he had against Dallas. The talent was there, but he didn't care enough to be successful. I can't blame the Giants for drafting him. Drafting is all about the upside. He had the upside. He had swing for the fences type of upside but ended up a swing and a miss.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
is truthfully, he did have all the talent in the world. He failed to capitalize on the talent he had by refusing to study and work at his craft to learn the playbook and learn to run routes. I will always remember the game he had against Dallas. The talent was there, but he didn't care enough to be successful. I can't blame the Giants for drafting him. Drafting is all about the upside. He had the upside. He had swing for the fences type of upside but ended up a swing and a miss.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
I think "all the talent in the world" might include things like catching the ball, lining up onsides, or having shoes that fit.
is truthfully, he did have all the talent in the world. He failed to capitalize on the talent he had by refusing to study and work at his craft to learn the playbook and learn to run routes. I will always remember the game he had against Dallas. The talent was there, but he didn't care enough to be successful. I can't blame the Giants for drafting him. Drafting is all about the upside. He had the upside. He had swing for the fences type of upside but ended up a swing and a miss.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
I think "all the talent in the world" might include things like catching the ball, lining up onsides, or having shoes that fit.
He has all the physical talent, none of the mental talent. You can't depend on someone who is that stupid.
is truthfully, he did have all the talent in the world. He failed to capitalize on the talent he had by refusing to study and work at his craft to learn the playbook and learn to run routes. I will always remember the game he had against Dallas. The talent was there, but he didn't care enough to be successful. I can't blame the Giants for drafting him. Drafting is all about the upside. He had the upside. He had swing for the fences type of upside but ended up a swing and a miss.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
I think if you asked Andy Reid if they properly did their due diligence on Toney, he should honestly answer "no". However, with all transactions comes some level of risk and KC must have decided it was worth it. They also have a good enough roster to overcome mistakes and high(er) risks like this...we don't.
BTW: Super Bowl rings have gotten absurdly large and gauche. I was at the Hall of Fame recently and a display case had replicas of all of them. For a long time rings were pretty classy - something you could wear on special occasions. Now they’re ridiculous.
Here’s the Chiefs previous 3. Super Bowl IV on the left:
Everything about the NFL has gotten absurdly large
Gettleman either ignored those issues, or like most GMs who take on head cases, figured the talent was worth the risk, and that they could straighten him out.
Yet somehow, Micah Parsons' issues made him undraftable.
I don't believe DG traded down specifically hoping to pick Toney. I think he traded down, and probably got stuck picking Toney because he was probably athletically high on their board.
Anyway you slice it, you absolutely CAN blame Gettleman and the Giants for drafting this clown.
Chiefs gonna drop him like he's hot . Not sure any team will be stupid enough to even invite him to camp. He is clearly not a football player . Watching that video he is clearly not a rapper either. Good thing has a college education...lol
Eh. I wouldn't bring up his name on a Toney thread. I thought he had a good season with the Giants, almost 60 receptions and 4 TDs. He played a role he never had to play out in his career being a productive WR lol he's cool in my book for 2022
From all accounts it was a Judge pick, but anyhow screw him. I know a lot say let it be, but this guy can't stop attacking the giants org or fans. Dude had the perfect situation to thrive in KC and blew it. He'll be lucky to be on a roster next year
Not really "by all accounts." By one account that has been repeated so much on BBI that it is considered a fact.
It's like the 2006 "halftime at the Bears game" thing, but longer lasting.
RE: I'd be willing to be that those two Super Bowl rings
You can't be any more of a loser than that.
It isn't all about coaching. You have to have the talent.
Until we draft better we won't get better as a team.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
I think "all the talent in the world" might include things like catching the ball, lining up onsides, or having shoes that fit.
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is truthfully, he did have all the talent in the world. He failed to capitalize on the talent he had by refusing to study and work at his craft to learn the playbook and learn to run routes. I will always remember the game he had against Dallas. The talent was there, but he didn't care enough to be successful. I can't blame the Giants for drafting him. Drafting is all about the upside. He had the upside. He had swing for the fences type of upside but ended up a swing and a miss.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
I think "all the talent in the world" might include things like catching the ball, lining up onsides, or having shoes that fit.
He has all the physical talent, none of the mental talent. You can't depend on someone who is that stupid.
He had the kind of talent any coach would hope to see what he could do with that level of raw talent. The problem was all on Toney. He didn't want to be coached up. He just wanted to play and do it his own way, whatever the hell that was! With his talent, he was worth the risk. Not even Andy Reid could reach him, and he thought he was worth the risk. The coaches who drafted him or traded for him were not stupid.
It's too easy in hindsight to blame the Giants for drafting him. But if you take that line of thinking, you should also think the same about HOF coach Andy Reid. Is he an idiot too? Even he thought or hoped it was worth the risk to trade for someone with that much raw talent. And that's what's really sad is that someone so talented failed on his own not to reach his potential.
I think if you asked Andy Reid if they properly did their due diligence on Toney, he should honestly answer "no". However, with all transactions comes some level of risk and KC must have decided it was worth it. They also have a good enough roster to overcome mistakes and high(er) risks like this...we don't.
And that was never going to change.
BTW: Super Bowl rings have gotten absurdly large and gauche. I was at the Hall of Fame recently and a display case had replicas of all of them. For a long time rings were pretty classy - something you could wear on special occasions. Now they’re ridiculous.
Here’s the Chiefs previous 3. Super Bowl IV on the left:
Not Tom Coughlin
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You are forgetting McCaffrey. He has 3!
Gettleman either ignored those issues, or like most GMs who take on head cases, figured the talent was worth the risk, and that they could straighten him out.
Yet somehow, Micah Parsons' issues made him undraftable.
I don't believe DG traded down specifically hoping to pick Toney. I think he traded down, and probably got stuck picking Toney because he was probably athletically high on their board.
Anyway you slice it, you absolutely CAN blame Gettleman and the Giants for drafting this clown.
Nope he did nothing to deserve the second one for sure...
At least he played last night.
Eh. I wouldn't bring up his name on a Toney thread. I thought he had a good season with the Giants, almost 60 receptions and 4 TDs. He played a role he never had to play out in his career being a productive WR lol he's cool in my book for 2022
Not really "by all accounts." By one account that has been repeated so much on BBI that it is considered a fact.
It's like the 2006 "halftime at the Bears game" thing, but longer lasting.
Or he'll have grills made with the diamonds.