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NFT: Mets Spring Training Thread

DanMetroMan : 2/12/2024 10:42 am
- Stearns to open things up at 3PM addressing the media
- Mets can play players (Mauricio/Peterson) on the 60 day on Wednesday
-Austin Adams cleared waivers and has been invited to ST as a NRI
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DanMetroMan : 2/25/2024 6:37 pm : link
@Mets have released RHP Hale Sims. The supersized Sims (6'4" 290) never appeared in a game after signing as a UDFA in August
from sammon  
Eric on Li : 2/25/2024 6:38 pm : link
Jorge López has impressed some team officials, leading them to believe the veteran right-hander at least looks capable of claiming a vital role in the bullpen. Lopez kept his entire repertoire from his time as a starting pitcher, even though those days ended a few years ago. Team evaluators checked off Lopez’s two-seamer, slider and changeup as pitches that appeared sharp. Some rival scouts have gone as far as to say Lopez’s pure stuff ranks near the top in the Mets’ bullpen — it’s a question of whether he can harness it and locate pitches.

“It’s only been some bullpen sessions and a couple of live BPs, but I see a lot of confidence and conviction behind every single pitch,” Mets bullpen coach José Rosado said. “That’s something we are all excited about. I really like where he’s at, and I think he’s in a good spot.”

López is scheduled to appear in a Grapefruit League game on Tuesday.
https://theathletic.com/5298905/2024/02/25/mets-francisco-alvarez-carlos-beltran/?source=emp_shared_article - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 2/25/2024 6:50 pm : link
Wow. LHP Kolton Ingram was a 37th round pick who signed for a minuscule $1,500 (not a typo) and ascended all the way to the big league level in 2023. Scouting report linked
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DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 10:53 am : link
@BaseballAmerica ranks Ryan Clifford the #5 1b prospect in baseball. Ronny Mauricio and Luisangel Acuna #5 and #7 2b prospect respectively, Colin Houck #25 SS prospect, Jett Williams #8 in CF, and Christian Scott #26 RHP prospect #Mets
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DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 11:56 am : link
Mets make BA's top 20 projected rookies for 2024
With Bellinger signing what is essentially a  
Section331 : 2/26/2024 12:28 pm : link
one- year deal, and speculations rumbling that Boras may be willing to do the same with Snell and Montgomery, I wonder if the Mets may be more willing to entertain signing either of them?
RE: With Bellinger signing what is essentially a  
pjcas18 : 2/26/2024 1:35 pm : link
In comment 16408367 Section331 said:
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one- year deal, and speculations rumbling that Boras may be willing to do the same with Snell and Montgomery, I wonder if the Mets may be more willing to entertain signing either of them?


I read the Red Sox are looking to sign Montgomery.
Grand  
DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 1:57 pm : link
slam for Trayce Thompson.
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DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 2:55 pm : link
perfect innings for Max Kranick

Margot traded from LAD to the Twins
LAD  
DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 3:00 pm : link
gets Noah Miller. 2021 1st round pick but only ranked #24 prospect in the Twins system

Headshot of Noah Miller
24. Noah Miller
SS

Ht: 5'11" | Wt: 190 | B-T: S-R

Age: null
BA Grade: 45/High

Track Record: The younger brother of Brewers infielder Owen Miller, noah has been one of the smoothest, slickest-fielding shortstops in pretty much every league he’s played in. That was the case again in 2023 as Miller helped lead Cedar Rapids to the Midwest League title with his range and reliability at shortstop. His bat has yet to catch up to his glove.

Scouting Report: Miller is a joy to watch play defense. He has above-average range, smooth and flowing actions, soft hands and an innate understanding of where everyone is and where they are going when the ball is put in play. His plus arm allows him to make the play deep in the hole that many shortstops know better than to even attempt. His body control also allows him to quickly get rid of the ball if he leaves his feet. If the Twins needed a shortstop to step in and play solid defense in an emergency role, Miller could handle the job capably. He’s also an excellent baserunner despite having only average speed. At the plate, Miller doesn’t make pitchers sweat. He can hit a fastball, but even then, he’s likely to just line a single. He has a lot of work to do at recognizing and making better contact against breaking balls and changeups and he has very little power.

The Future: Miller’s defense is hard to criticize, but if he doesn’t learn to make a little more offensive impact, it’s going to be hard to get to the big leagues. Even defensive wizards like nick Ahmed and Jose Iglesias showed some offensive acumen in the minors.

Scouting Grades Hit: 40 | Power: 30 | Run: 50 | Field: 65 | Arm: 60
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DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 3:08 pm : link
Fabian Ardaya
@FabianArdaya
Dodgers close to bringing back Kiké Hernández assuming the Manuel Margot deal goes through, sources tell me and @Ken_Rosenthal
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Twins  
DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 3:22 pm : link
also get SS Rayne Doncon
Never  
DanMetroMan : 2/26/2024 4:53 pm : link
knew this

Jon Becker
@jonbecker_
The $4M that the Rays sent the Dodgers, by rule, has to follow Margot to Minnesota; trade cash is attached to a player and you can't pocket the difference. The question is if the Dodgers are kicking in even more
it apperas Jett and Luisangel  
Rory : 2/26/2024 8:06 pm : link
had themselves a day today. showing some footwork offensively/defensively.
very interesting pitching lineup today  
KDavies : 2/27/2024 10:43 am : link
besides the first look at Houser, Lavender, Tonkin, and Lopez scheduled
Kranick  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 10:49 am : link
Looked good. Lucchesi and Butto’s options may end up costing them a spot on the OD roster.
RE: Kranick  
JayBinQueens : 2/27/2024 11:03 am : link
In comment 16409218 DanMetroMan said:
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Looked good. Lucchesi and Butto’s options may end up costing them a spot on the OD roster.


While frustrating, there will be plenty of opportunities for them this season.
RE: Kranick  
KDavies : 2/27/2024 11:09 am : link
In comment 16409218 DanMetroMan said:
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Looked good. Lucchesi and Butto’s options may end up costing them a spot on the OD roster.


I am floored (and I even double-checked) that Kranick has no options. 11 MLB games. Megill even has 2 options remaining.
I’m  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 11:15 am : link
not putting a ton of stock into one appearance but it’s more about the limited arms that have options left. Megill has options left too but is probably making the team. If a guy *like* Kranick impresses, those with options are going to be the ones who lost their spots at least initially
Pitchers who can't be optioned without being subject to waivers  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 11:21 am : link
I'm not going to include players where there is "no chance" of it ever being on the radar


Kranick
Drew Smith
Bickford
Jorge Lopez
SRF
Tonkin
Y. Ramirez
Rios


Those with options remaining
Megill
Fujinami
Lucchesi
Walker
Ingram
Hartwig
Butto

A guy like Trayce Thompson doesn't have an option left, Stewart does, that could potentially come into play as well.
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DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 11:25 am : link
Tim Healey
@timbhealey
Starling Marte is scheduled to make his Grapefruit League debut Wednesday, Carlos Mendoza said.
Kranick to me looks like the odd man out  
KDavies : 2/27/2024 11:26 am : link
except for injury. I really don't see a spot for him as of now.

SP even with Senga and Peterson out:

Quintana
Manaea
Sevy
Houser
Megill

BP:

Diaz
Otto
Raley
Smith
Diekman
Lopez
Fujinami
Tonkin

as a SP, no room for him. As a reliever, I guess he could beat out Tonkin as a multi-inning guy. If Fujinami's issue lasts long enough, it looks like his spot is the best bet if Fujinami isn't ready by opening day. He has 3 options left.
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DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 11:59 am : link
keithlaw
@keithlaw
Doncon was #19 on my Dodgers prospect ranking: https://klaw.me/49qpBJZ

Miller didn’t make my Twins list.
some free agency nuggets from bowden mailbag  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 12:05 pm : link
if montgomery took a pillow deal he'd be at risk of QO hurting his market next year, on top of being 1 year older and probably also unlikely to be coming off a career year where he helped a team win a ws.

sounds like he has multi-year offers (probably in the bassitt range or maybe 4 years?) but obviously not the one he wants yet. anything under 100m seems like a screaming steal if that's where it ends up.

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Now that one of the unsigned free agents represented by Scott Boras accepted a pillow contract, what are the chances his other clients follow suit? Is there any chance the Cardinals sign Jordan Montgomery to a similar deal — maybe something like a four-year, $85 million contract, with year one at $25 million, then three consecutive player options at $20 million per year. Montgomery’s time in St. Louis helped him build his value and (Busch Stadium) is a pitcher’s park, which should keep his numbers strong. — Dan S.

From what I’m hearing in conversations with major-league sources, it doesn’t sound like Montgomery will accept a pillow contract like the one Bellinger signed. I’m told there are multiple teams that would give Montgomery a longer-term contract. The Red Sox had a video call with Montgomery recently and I’m told the conversation went well. The Red Sox have plenty of financial flexibility and at this point must be considered the front-runner to land him. However, it’s believed Montgomery would prefer to re-sign with Texas and if he were to accept a shorter-term deal, I think the Rangers are the only team where that could happen and he’d at least consider that type of offer. Also, it doesn’t sound like Montgomery is interested in a return to St. Louis, and the Cardinals have already signed three free-agent starters (Sonny Gray, Kyle Gibson and Lance Lynn) this offseason.

I would appreciate some insight into the thought process that goes into how the Yankees compare and assess a choice of signing Blake Snell versus Montgomery. According to reports, they have made a significant offer to Snell. But there are no reports of an offer to Montgomery by the Yankees. — Lee G.

The Yankees really believe in the adjustments that Snell made last year on the mound, which led to him winning the NL Cy Young Award, and they think he has a higher ceiling than Montgomery. That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t necessarily bring back Montgomery, but it’s believed that he does not prefer a reunion with the Yankees. However, you can’t rule it out until he signs somewhere else.

The Cody Bellinger contract, Jordan Montgomery’s market and the MLB moves to come - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 12:06 pm : link
I missed a rule change, Montgomery can have it written into his contract that his new team can't offer him a QO.
RE: Unless  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 12:23 pm : link
In comment 16409342 DanMetroMan said:
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I missed a rule change, Montgomery can have it written into his contract that his new team can't offer him a QO.


if it were a pillow deal in the form of opt outs, not sure a team would be that generous at this point. obviously anyone can do whatever they want but i dont believe bellinger (or conforto) got that in prior boras pillow deals? from a teams standpoint if the player is opting out they obviously had a really good year, so to give in on the QO would seem like a lot since the extra years they are committing to protect the player in a down year.

anything is negotiable obviously (unless it's against the rules) but given the way the market seems, id guess it's a buyer's market and montgomery has a hard time getting that.
Just  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 12:32 pm : link
checked and it's 100% allowed per the CBA, now how likely a team would be willing to do that, different story.
RE: Just  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 12:48 pm : link
In comment 16409397 DanMetroMan said:
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checked and it's 100% allowed per the CBA, now how likely a team would be willing to do that, different story.


was it stroman or e-rod who got it in a recent contract? i remember it happening once before and i think if im remembering right it was a player whose market had kind of cratered relative to expectation so he signed back for a lot less than projected but got that out of it.

i guess it's not totally impossible to envision that with montgomery but if bowden is right that multiple teams are interested in signing him for multiple years id guess against.

if his price ends up ridiculously low id love to see the mets get creative on a pillow deal + no QO opt out that minimizes their tax burden.

4x21m, with 25m cash year 1, opt out at year 2 with no QO attached, seems like the best version of a pillow deal Montgomery could get. he'd get $59m of protection, and he'd very likely opt out to get a bigger deal than 3x59m.

and mets get him at 21m AAV to reduce tax burden. basically bassitt deal but with a 1 year pillow deal up front.

montgomery would probably have to have a very very good season to opt out of that.
RE: RE: Just  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 1:37 pm : link
In comment 16409437 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16409397 DanMetroMan said:


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checked and it's 100% allowed per the CBA, now how likely a team would be willing to do that, different story.



was it stroman or e-rod who got it in a recent contract? i remember it happening once before and i think if im remembering right it was a player whose market had kind of cratered relative to expectation so he signed back for a lot less than projected but got that out of it.

i guess it's not totally impossible to envision that with montgomery but if bowden is right that multiple teams are interested in signing him for multiple years id guess against.

if his price ends up ridiculously low id love to see the mets get creative on a pillow deal + no QO opt out that minimizes their tax burden.

4x21m, with 25m cash year 1, opt out at year 2 with no QO attached, seems like the best version of a pillow deal Montgomery could get. he'd get $59m of protection, and he'd very likely opt out to get a bigger deal than 3x59m.

and mets get him at 21m AAV to reduce tax burden. basically bassitt deal but with a 1 year pillow deal up front.

montgomery would probably have to have a very very good season to opt out of that.


In some cases players have used NTC's to negotiate teams not being able to use a QO on them in the future. It's obviously not very common. I wasn't really saying Montgomery would do this, sort of just thinking out louad.
Manoah  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 1:46 pm : link
has already hit 3 batters in his spring debut.
Choi  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 2:35 pm : link
HR
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Solidly  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 2:37 pm : link
hit RBI single for Alex Ramirez
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DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 2:42 pm : link
Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
Mets relief prospect Nate Lavender has retired all 6 batters he’s faced this spring.

He has struck out 4 of them.
Gilbert  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 2:57 pm : link
well struck opposite field 2 run single
Martino  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 3:03 pm : link
PORT ST. LUCIE — At 61 years old, Darryl Strawberry looks like he could still bang a few homers in batting practice, and perhaps even the game itself.

More than a few players, coaches and reporters suggested on the field at Clover Park Tuesday morning that Strawberry do just that, but he laughed it off. His hitting days are long over. But the Mets icon has as meaningful a presence around here as he has in years, thanks to a burgeoning relationship with Alex and Steve Cohen.

Both Strawberry and another former star, Gary Sheffield, have been getting to know the Cohens, according to people around the team -- and both players feel respected by the owners’ interest in learning about the game from people who played it.
Ugly  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 3:50 pm : link
AB by Parada has twitter dumping on him.

Not looking to join the dump on Parada bandwagon, but I would be curious to see @mets
move him to 2b (as has been suggested by scouts). A brand new position for him but without the rigors of catching and quite frankly a far less taxing position (mentally and physically)
RE: Ugly  
Metnut : 2/27/2024 4:18 pm : link
In comment 16409781 DanMetroMan said:
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AB by Parada has twitter dumping on him.

Not looking to join the dump on Parada bandwagon, but I would be curious to see @mets
move him to 2b (as has been suggested by scouts). A brand new position for him but without the rigors of catching and quite frankly a far less taxing position (mentally and physically)


Hopefully at least one of him or Ramirez can have a big rebound year and get themselves established as a major prospect. I'd sign him for one of em being a bust if it meant we got a real rebound with the other.

Parada's value is obviously higher as a C than elsewhere, but the point is pretty moot if he can't hit in the low minors. Really need to see his bat turn into a force before I start thinking too much about how he's struggling to stay at C.
RE: RE: RE: Just  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 4:27 pm : link
In comment 16409555 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 16409437 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 16409397 DanMetroMan said:


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checked and it's 100% allowed per the CBA, now how likely a team would be willing to do that, different story.



was it stroman or e-rod who got it in a recent contract? i remember it happening once before and i think if im remembering right it was a player whose market had kind of cratered relative to expectation so he signed back for a lot less than projected but got that out of it.

i guess it's not totally impossible to envision that with montgomery but if bowden is right that multiple teams are interested in signing him for multiple years id guess against.

if his price ends up ridiculously low id love to see the mets get creative on a pillow deal + no QO opt out that minimizes their tax burden.

4x21m, with 25m cash year 1, opt out at year 2 with no QO attached, seems like the best version of a pillow deal Montgomery could get. he'd get $59m of protection, and he'd very likely opt out to get a bigger deal than 3x59m.

and mets get him at 21m AAV to reduce tax burden. basically bassitt deal but with a 1 year pillow deal up front.

montgomery would probably have to have a very very good season to opt out of that.



In some cases players have used NTC's to negotiate teams not being able to use a QO on them in the future. It's obviously not very common. I wasn't really saying Montgomery would do this, sort of just thinking out louad.


i think you are right though, it has the be a very big concern for him.

his desired/projected AAV this offseason was very close to the QO amount, and without a QO penalty attached he cant find a deal yet off a career season. if he gets a QO attached next year it could entirely defeat the purpose of a pillow contract because he is entering the market a year older and with a higher penalty if signed.

hadnt really thought about that angle so much, but more than any other FA left on the market of substance, he is probably going to be forced to just take the biggest offer on the market whatever it is. so he could end up an extreme value for someone (which i would argue Bassitt was last year for TOR).
RE: Gilbert  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 4:30 pm : link
In comment 16409698 DanMetroMan said:
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well struck opposite field 2 run single


am i wrong or does it seem like more pre-debut prospects are in games so far this spring than others?

or is that just a function of having more prospects on the 40 man?

last year i guess mauricio/alvarez/vientos/baty were involved a lot too, but 3/4 had already debuted in big leagues so that seems a little different.
RE: RE: Ugly  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 4:34 pm : link
In comment 16409834 Metnut said:
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In comment 16409781 DanMetroMan said:


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AB by Parada has twitter dumping on him.

Not looking to join the dump on Parada bandwagon, but I would be curious to see @mets
move him to 2b (as has been suggested by scouts). A brand new position for him but without the rigors of catching and quite frankly a far less taxing position (mentally and physically)



Hopefully at least one of him or Ramirez can have a big rebound year and get themselves established as a major prospect. I'd sign him for one of em being a bust if it meant we got a real rebound with the other.

Parada's value is obviously higher as a C than elsewhere, but the point is pretty moot if he can't hit in the low minors. Really need to see his bat turn into a force before I start thinking too much about how he's struggling to stay at C.


There is a theory ( I want to say put forth initially by John Sickels, but don't quote me on that) that young catchers often take so much toll on their bodies that they are unable to handle the rigors enough to hit. BA had a thing about Diego Cartaya and how that *could* be what happened with him and in the Mets chat somebody posted it regarding Parada and it wasn't shot down.

There is a very low chance Parada improves enough defensively to ever be an "asset" back there and after reading Tim Brown/Erik Kratz's "The Tao of the backup C", it really opens your eyes to how unusual it is for a team to carry a young backup C, especially one that isn't a plus fielder. The backup tends to do all of the grunt work, the side work, the pre-work, the extra BP sessions and veteran pitchers want to throw to somebody who has "done it" before even at the expense of lessor hitting ability.

An offense first backup C isn't really a common thing in baseball. Scouts for other teams suggested to BA Parada could/should be given a look at 2b, and I think that's a pretty decent idea. He would never be an asset in the OF since he's a below average runner, at 2b, maybe the hitting comes along/back and he's passable offensively (Dan Uggla was a a 10 year veteran and very good MLB player despite being a mediocre or worse 2b).
RE: RE: Gilbert  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 4:37 pm : link
In comment 16409856 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 16409698 DanMetroMan said:


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well struck opposite field 2 run single



am i wrong or does it seem like more pre-debut prospects are in games so far this spring than others?

or is that just a function of having more prospects on the 40 man?

last year i guess mauricio/alvarez/vientos/baty were involved a lot too, but 3/4 had already debuted in big leagues so that seems a little different.


I think it's mostly #2. Vientos quietly led all Mets hitters in AB's in ST last season, Baty was #5.
Also  
DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 4:43 pm : link
it goes without saying, Stearns/Mendoza may have different thoughts on ST schedules than the previous regime.
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DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 4:44 pm : link
Of course Ohtani has already homered.
we are 3-1  
HewlettGiant : 2/27/2024 5:19 pm : link
Love reading box scores even though they mean absolutely nothing....Just like per-season Giants games
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DanMetroMan : 2/27/2024 7:21 pm : link
Ke'Bryan Hayes finished 28th/30 amongst 3b in terms of LA in 2022 (5.2), in 2023 he finished 15th (13.2), in 2022 Brett Baty finished 25th/27 in LA (6.6)... fingers crossed for similar gains in 2024!
watched the highlights from today iglesius can still pick it  
Eric on Li : 2/27/2024 9:19 pm : link
cant believe they gave choi plawecki's number.
MLB Insider Andy Martino says Mets OF prospect Drew Gilbert is 'standing out' | Baseball Night in NY - ( New Window )
Matt  
DanMetroMan : 7:58 am : link
Brash yet to be announced “major” injury for Seattle. Huge loss for them
RE: Matt  
DanMetroMan : 7:59 am : link
In comment 16410202 DanMetroMan said:
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Brash yet to be announced “major” injury for Seattle. Huge loss for them


Here is the link
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RE: RE: Matt  
GF1080 : 9:58 am : link
In comment 16410204 DanMetroMan said:
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Brash yet to be announced “major” injury for Seattle. Huge loss for them



Here is the link Link - ( New Window )


Sucks. I have him in my dynasty league and his K/9 is a big help.
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DanMetroMan : 10:25 am : link

Mike Mayer
@mikemayer22
Mets scheduled pitchers for today:

- RHP Reed Garrett
- RHP Grant Hartwig
- LHP Josh Walker
- RHP Austin Adams


=I've mentioned this before but Garrett is slightly more interesting than you'd think. 108 stuff+, sat 97 during his brief look. Career 46% GB rate. He's probably nothing but he was a top 25 prospect in the Tigers system back in 2019
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