Unrestricted Free Agents (My opinion if they should be re-signed)
RB Saquon Barkley - Walk (Can thrive on a better team)
OL Ben Bredeson - Willing to bring back on a 1 year deal
RB Matt Breida - Walk
LB Cam Brown - Walk
K Randy Bullock - Walk
WR Parris Campbell - Walk (Terrible Signing)
LB Carter Coughlin - Walk
LB Jarrad Davis - Walk
C Sean Harlow - Walk
C J.C. Hassenauer - Walk
CB Darnay Holmes - Walk
CB Adoree' Jackson - Walk
LS Casey Kreiter - Minimum deal
G Shane Lemieux - Walk
S Xavier McKinney - Transition Tag
WR Gunner Olszewski - Walk
OT Matt Peart - Walk
OT Tyre Phillips - Bring back on 1 year deal
OL Justin Pugh - Walk
DL A'Shawn Robinson - Bring back on 1 year deal
WR Sterling Shepard - Retirement
LB Isaiah Simmons - Walk
QB Tyrod Taylor - Walk
OLB Jihad Ward - Walk
I agree, he was one of the few bright spots on ST's last season.
I was undecided on him. But I think finding a cheaper alternative needs to be a priority this offseason. This team needs a rookie depth receiver/corner that can return punts and hopefully develop into a contributor.
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nice to finally have a decent PR
I was undecided on him. But I think finding a cheaper alternative needs to be a priority this offseason. This team needs a rookie depth receiver/corner that can return punts and hopefully develop into a contributor.
He made the league minimum, how much cheaper can a player be?
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In comment 16397056 KDavies said:
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nice to finally have a decent PR
I was undecided on him. But I think finding a cheaper alternative needs to be a priority this offseason. This team needs a rookie depth receiver/corner that can return punts and hopefully develop into a contributor.
He made the league minimum, how much cheaper can a player be?
He’s going to become a vested veteran with the next contract. He’ll earn over a million a season. We could find a guy with more potential for half that.
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nice to finally have a decent PR
I was undecided on him. But I think finding a cheaper alternative needs to be a priority this offseason. This team needs a rookie depth receiver/corner that can return punts and hopefully develop into a contributor.
First of all he is cheap and second of all I would spend a bit more to secure someone that is dependable. I know we have not had anyone for a number of years but he was a good solid pickup. Not trusting a rookie day 1.
I think the Giants could play hardball with Barkley and the glut of veteran running backs this off-season. One year in the 8-10 range with incentives may end up getting accepted. And if not, this is the offseason class to replace Barkley with.
Id' consider bringing Taylor back but I think Taylor may not want to come back if he can help it. It's hard to find a #2 and if it comes to it should the Giants not draft a QB on Day 1 or 2, instead of playing the Purdy roulette maybe roll with Taylor for one more year and punt the QB situation until next year.
The o-line budget this off-season should go toward guards first. I'd also consider bringing back Peart if he'll sign a team cap friendly deal to be the swing tackle allowing the team to resource elsewhere. He played well the last two games last year, I think it would be a mistake to write him off now based on his inability in his first few seasons to step up and be the right tackle.
Lastly, if he'll do a one year for 4-8, I think Isaiah Simmons could have a place in the defense. While it's clear he's not "the guy", he does bring a skillset that the offense has to account for and as part of a team defense that has value.
You let him walk because you could pay a whole stable of running backs the price of the franchise tag (with money left over for other positions). At his age - you're needing him to be on a pitch count to avoid injury as the season rolls on. He's about to hit that age where production @ Running back falls off a cliff (already, he's showing the mileage).
Agree
I would also keep the door open for Simmons to return. The Cardinals are a clusterf--- of a team to begin with. Simmons is versatile and should be evaluated further with a new defensive scheme.
Also resign McCloud.
PS you won't convince me because 11-13 million per doesn't exactly guarantee you excellence in the vet FA market. I know Barkley comes to play even if he's a bit underwhelming these days. I also think we can get more from Barkley if the OL improves.
IF you are trading BArk's money for another player I question what we're getting. 12 million doesn't really buy you elite in FA, unless it's the RB or guard.
If you don't sign a VET FA RB, you're trotting our journeymen talent at the position and yes, it's an important position. DOn't let the echo chambers fool you. So you're now forced to draft a RB very high in the draft. I am sure the Giants will get that right...
Not an easy call for me. Anyone saying it is easy isn't looking at the alternative.
Absolutely. He was a bright spot.
If you don't sign a VET FA RB, you're trotting our journeymen talent at the position and yes, it's an important position. DOn't let the echo chambers fool you. So you're now forced to draft a RB very high in the draft. I am sure the Giants will get that right...
The pickings are slim for this scenario. D'Andre Swift is about the only one who fits that space considering his age (25) and salary projection. Tony Pollard will command high $ and I believe it will be similar to Barkley $.
Not an easy call for me. Anyone saying it is easy isn't looking at the alternative.
Really - when was the last time the Giants had a punt returned? His avg return was good. He is far from mediocre.
I keep Simmons too. He was starting to make plays toward the end of the year.
Let him walk and turn your attention elsewhere.
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Gunnar was an All-Pro the way some of you are hyping him up. He did his job. I guess we’re so use to mediocrity that we want to pay a guy for being average at his job.
Really - when was the last time the Giants had a punt returned? His avg return was good. He is far from mediocre.
I keep Simmons too. He was starting to make plays toward the end of the year.
Last one I remember was Dwayne Harris in 2016 against the Jets. Gunner signed a 2 year 4.2 million dollar deal with Steelers and was cut half way through the contract. Let’s not make the same mistake .
If you don't sign a VET FA RB, you're trotting our journeymen talent at the position and yes, it's an important position. DOn't let the echo chambers fool you. So you're now forced to draft a RB very high in the draft. I am sure the Giants will get that right...
Not an easy call for me. Anyone saying it is easy isn't looking at the alternative.
The pickings are slim for this scenario. D'Andre Swift is about the only one who fits that space considering his age (25) and salary projection. Tony Pollard will command high $ and I believe it will be similar to Barkley $.
If he comes on the vet minimum it’s a no brainer. A few hundred thousand savings for a rookie that may not be any better is worth bringing back the vet. I don’t want to see another Eric Gray situation forcing a guy into a job he clearly wasn’t comfortable with. Richie James who I wanted back just won a Super Bowl. He was reliable and a decent fill in WR.
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Gunnar was an All-Pro the way some of you are hyping him up. He did his job. I guess we’re so use to mediocrity that we want to pay a guy for being average at his job.
Really - when was the last time the Giants had a punt returned? His avg return was good. He is far from mediocre.
I keep Simmons too. He was starting to make plays toward the end of the year.
Chiming in to say I'd keep Gunner and Simmons as well.
The problem is, any free agent getting his second contract is going to want to get paid. There aren't going to be many bargains to be had in free agency unless the Giants have scouted somebody and think he's got big untapped upside. Rob Carpenter was sort of like that back in the day. Undervalued by the Oilers, a heckuva player for the Giants. (An extreme example from another sport: Jalen Brunson.)
Because of that, some of the guys on that list that we'd all put a "walk" tag on might end up being back with the Giants.
A point re Gunner: The consensus is that he's 1) Not paid much and 2) just kind of average as a PR. The thing to keep in mind is that average players are valuable. An average player who's paid like a replacement-level player is extremely valuable. You want those guys. They are very important for a winning team in the salary cap era, when you can't afford to have stars at every position, and your role players have to be cost-controlled.
The argument that Gunner is just average so he can walk is backwards. If you can sign him cheap, you keep him while you look for someone who is above average. But he becomes a questionable investment if he's even being paid average money.
Bad/replacement-level players are what kill you, especially when they're overpaid. We've seen plenty of that on the Giants.
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In comment 16397056 KDavies said:
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nice to finally have a decent PR
I was undecided on him. But I think finding a cheaper alternative needs to be a priority this offseason. This team needs a rookie depth receiver/corner that can return punts and hopefully develop into a contributor.
He made the league minimum, how much cheaper can a player be?
He’s going to become a vested veteran with the next contract. He’ll earn over a million a season. We could find a guy with more potential for half that.
Except we never do
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Gunnar was an All-Pro the way some of you are hyping him up. He did his job. I guess we’re so use to mediocrity that we want to pay a guy for being average at his job.
If he comes on the vet minimum it’s a no brainer. A few hundred thousand savings for a rookie that may not be any better is worth bringing back the vet. I don’t want to see another Eric Gray situation forcing a guy into a job he clearly wasn’t comfortable with. Richie James who I wanted back just won a Super Bowl. He was reliable and a decent fill in WR.
Eric Gray wasn’t a punt returner is college. What I’m referring to is a guy like the Jets Xavier Gipson who was undrafted. Gipson was a good returner and had something like 220 yards this season at the end of the WR depth chart. That’s the guy the Giants should be looking for.
Only returns punts and get paid way over 1 million dollars. Hell no. The Giants can do so much better.
There are like 25-30 on that list alone. You cant get rid of all of them.
Also bad performances lead to cheaper contracts. We can sign some of those that have been somewhat useful for one year cheap deals, because they havent been tearing it apart.
Plus you have to take into account the guys that we draft, and sign in FA that will lead to further cuts.
That Turnover on personnel isnt "average".
Getting rid of underperforming starters is, however, necessary.
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Gunnar was an All-Pro the way some of you are hyping him up. He did his job. I guess we’re so use to mediocrity that we want to pay a guy for being average at his job.
If he comes on the vet minimum it’s a no brainer. A few hundred thousand savings for a rookie that may not be any better is worth bringing back the vet. I don’t want to see another Eric Gray situation forcing a guy into a job he clearly wasn’t comfortable with. Richie James who I wanted back just won a Super Bowl. He was reliable and a decent fill in WR.
Eric Gray wasn’t a punt returner is college. What I’m referring to is a guy like the Jets Xavier Gipson who was undrafted. Gipson was a good returner and had something like 220 yards this season at the end of the WR depth chart. That’s the guy the Giants should be looking for.