I wanted to have a conversation about this, because I saw this posted from Big Blue United, and I wanted to know if many other people felt the same way and why.
This is just me trying to understand the sentiment.
From BBU:
It’s rare to find players, let alone star players that badly want to be here. So many fans take
@Saquon
for granted for what he means to NYG. He isnt an ordinary RB. He’s much more. I hope he is a Giant for life.
Are there other people who feel this way? If so, why?
In my lifetime, I do not think of the Giants as a team that struggles to get players who want to be here.
I also don't know what is meant by 'what he means to the Giants'. This is not a player that has a long and storied history with the club. I think most people would struggle to remember more than 3 Saquon moments. And, this isn't trying to downplay his talent. I think he's a good football player, I just don't understand the attachment being shown here. I truly don't know what Saquon "means" to the Giants.
The phrase 'face of the franchise', if that's what we think of him as, has kinda lost all meaning, but it gets thrown around very commonly. Dexter Lawrence is a legitimate top of the league star. Why can't he be a face of the franchise? He's got personality, says all the right things, and is also a great, charitable guy whom his teammates love. He might not seek out commercials and interviews as much, but isn't that a *good* quality?
Explosive plays gone too.
RBs also have short life cycles
I love Barkley...still think he can be special(probably more heart than brain).
The Giants can afford to keep a great RB.
Teams can not afford to pay middle of the road QBs big bucks.
+1
Explosive plays gone too.
It doesn't matter what he wants. It only matters what teams will offer. I don't know what that is but that's what will determine what he gets.
He cost too much as a RB for the Giants.
Wish him the best.
I personally think we have ruined the guy. If he was on a good team, with other weapons, his stats would consistently be top of the league IMO. Even now he is close. The thing is the players know this, on both the Giants and and our opponents, even if the fans do not. We have heard them say it many times.
The other thing that pisses me off is when people just regurgitate things they hear that aren't true. For example PFF said he was one of the best passing blocking backs last season, yet people say he can't pass block. Also he has played 43 of 51 games since his injury, and in fact has played 13+ games every season except when he ripped up his knee. I would venture this is better than most RBs since they take a pounding. Yet I bet we see people on this thread who say he is injury prone
If he were free! You’d all love him.
Don’t let your basis of his cost affect your view of him as a player, he is a good player when healthy and a great teammate and a great Giant.
Doesn’t mean he is right for the team, or should be resigned, doesn’t mean you shouldn’t not want him on the team. Some times it doesn’t matter how good they are if the situation isn’t right, sometimes it just doesn’t work out.
No need to diminish the player just because it didn’t work out here like I see so many on here do.
Two things can be true at the same time, he can be a good player and he can not be right for the team.
But purely as a fan why would you not want him on your team, he is fun to watch and an easy root for off the field.so to answer the question to a fan that doesn’t care about the business side, what is there not to like about the guy???
Then ask based on this is he a player the Giants cannot live without?
The only reason he is the offense for this team is because the Giants been utterly incapable of fielding a franchise player at QB.
This^
Fans can be sentimental and root for players because they seem like hard working good guys. The people running the team need to be more cold in their evaluation of who helps you win games.
Saquon is a talented player and I hope he has an amazing career, but the Giants can’t afford the luxury of his next contract.
Hope he can salvage a year or two elsewhere.
He is a great role model and I think a lot of people blame the team for his underwhelming seasons. So many still view him as a great player. My view is he still can be great in spurts but I don’t think we will ever see the same player we saw as a rookie. I was against drafting him for that reason, it would be too hard to live up to his draft position and I don’t think he has. As of today he is not a HOFer and I don’t think he will be going forward. I’d like to see him on a good team where he doesn’t have to be the star and doesn’t carry the weight of the #2 pick.
He’s a great guy, just wasn’t a great pick for a bad team and couldn’t lift the team up. I think both sides benefit from parting ways.
Why are we holding on to and paying Saquon?
Nothing against Saquon, but his time in NY just overlapped during a period of horrendous GM decisions and overall bad QB & OL play, none of which was his fault.
If he is on the team next season then I hope they don't have to wind up making him the centerpiece of the Offense. That experiment has failed enough to bury it forever.
Turn the page.
I think that’s the best case scenario.
I doubt he gets an offer that exceeds 9 million average guaranteed money
Then it’s up the Schoen to decide if he’s worth it.
I’m good either way.
He appears on the decline, athletically and statistically. He is not close to a HOF gold jacket player, although injury plays a part in what he was vs. what he was. He has always been a limited receiver, and drops a lot of easy balls as compared to other rbs and he really tried to his credit this offseason to change that to be more on par with CMC.
Barkley is not helped by the OL for sure he’s a capable above average starter. In the right situation he can really help a tea,.
However, he is now consistently caught from behind and he doesn’t hit the whole with violence,
At this point I prefer they spend the $ on McKinney and upgrade OL. If there was no cap implications of note I would want him back on the team. I do want him back, but not @ $10mm or so.
Barkley was also a pretty reliable dump-off for Jones.
He has lost his ability to break the 50 yarder, but he is still a threat to make 20 or 30 yards and that has to be respected. He is better now running between the tackles, getting four or five yards. He is better in short yardage situations.
He only lost one fumble in his career going into last season, which is a stat that should be given its due. But he added two lost fumbles this season.
As a free agent, he will not get top dollar, but he will get enough so that he doesn't have to come crawling back to the Giants.
Then ask based on this is he a player the Giants cannot live without?
The only reason he is the offense for this team is because the Giants been utterly incapable of fielding a franchise player at QB.
Its not only the QBs Fault, that the whole offense literally depends on Saquon.
Barkley being this productive, while being the sole focus for defenses is huge. If the Giants could take some of the load off of Barkley, he would feast on defenses and lead us to a lot of wins.
We aren't flexible as a team and thats not only the QBs fault. I see Bryce Young for example as a good QB, but his team fn sucks, how productive has he been? Would that team be significantly better, if theyonly had a better QB? Or is there more holes in the offense?
Its the same with Barkley. Barkley opens up a lot for the rest of the offense by his sheer presence on the field.
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If we were to lose "he who means so much to the Giants", how much worse are the Giants? Seriously ask this question. Are we 1 game worse? 3 games? Quantify it.
Then ask based on this is he a player the Giants cannot live without?
The only reason he is the offense for this team is because the Giants been utterly incapable of fielding a franchise player at QB.
Its the same with Barkley. Barkley opens up a lot for the rest of the offense by his sheer presence on the field.
But he doesn't open up a lot for the rest of the offense. The Giants have been a bottom of the league offensive team most of the 5 years he's been here.
"Barkley is a poor offense."
Instead of continuing to pay him to be the centerpiece of a poor offense, why don't we try to build a good offense?
Look the offense sucks. However lets not throw out the few guys who can actually play. The point is to get rid of the guys who can't.
I agree 100%! Saquon Barkley is a team leader. He get's his teammates to focus within the games by shouting encouragement to them. He also get's his teammates to compete with him when it comes to making great plays.
The man is an asset to the Giants!