During an interview last week, Merril Hoge suggested “the one thing that is clear (about Caleb Williams) is that he is not special… He’s not Patrick Mahomes. Not even remotely close to that.”
Jeremiah, in an interview today with Rich Eisen, disagreed with Hoge’s opinion take, and regarding Williams said, “in terms of ability he’s the closest thing we’ve seen to Mahomes”.
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Most draft experts, including Sy and Colin, had Trubisky rated higher than Mahomes. Sy had Mahomes as his 5th best QB that year. It's not an exact science.
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In fact, Mahomes didn't even make his top 50 prospects that year.
Most draft experts, including Sy and Colin, had Trubisky rated higher than Mahomes. Sy had Mahomes as his 5th best QB that year. It's not an exact science.
I agree. I think some people were trying to cherry pick all the ones that Hoge got wrong to discredit his Williams opinion.
I think I'm most interested to see if there is consensus that all of the "elite 3" are in fact deserving to go in the top of the draft as commonly assumed.
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Maybe he would like Williams better if he was a “factor back”…
Why is he a buffoon? He has his opinion and you have yours, are you saying your opinion matters more than his?
Oh Jack. Wait til you hear what he said about your boy Dan Jones. Oof.
he's not a turnover machine. dude doesn't throw picks.
I just can't imagine, however, someone watching Williams play these last three years and concluding he doesn't have special arm throwing ability.
I mean, if Williams doesn't, who the hell does??
Mahomes and Josh Allen are vastly overused as comparisons for QB’s. The tools are there with Williams, but I can see why some believe the tool box requires more due diligence.
So now he is a HOFer and a future HOFer!
That isn’t a bad comparison from what I have seen
Did you watch Mahomes at all at Texas Tech?
Until I saw him play, I was convinced Favre was the most creative thrower of a football I had seen.
But it took about two of Mahomes's games at TT to conclude he was more creative than Favre. I forget who it was against - maybe Baylor? - but the guy had close to 800 yards passing and the only pass he didn't attempt was a behind the back pass.
To this day, the best watch ever in college football...
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but as great an arm as Elway had, and it was super-fantastic I have yet to see a throw from Elway as far as the 65 air yard throw Caleb posted against Stanford. Maybe there is one out there, I don't doubt Elway could do it. But Caleb's arm strength alone puts him in a very small class of QBs. He has tools to bank on. Doesn't mean he won't be a bust, it can happen to any prospect. But there is a lot to work with.
So now he is a HOFer and a future HOFer!
Hmm.. is that what I say here? I don't think so. I'm going to guess you're reading comprehension is better than this and you're choosing to be impolite.
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but I'd bet my house he doesn't end up in the same universe as Mahomes. That's not a comparison that should ever be made for anyone.
Did you watch Mahomes at all at Texas Tech?
Until I saw him play, I was convinced Favre was the most creative thrower of a football I had seen.
But it took about two of Mahomes's games at TT to conclude he was more creative than Favre. I forget who it was against - maybe Baylor? - but the guy had close to 800 yards passing and the only pass he didn't attempt was a behind the back pass.
To this day, the best watch ever in college football...
I never did, besides highlights packages. Big regret.
I didn't choose the word "refutes". I simply copied and pasted the title of the YouTube video.
If you have a problem with the wording, take it up the Rich Eisen's staffer who posted it, by utilizing the YouTube comments section.
I'm sure that he will value your contribution every bit as much as I do.
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but Caleb Williams will have to prove that he's going to be somewhat of a turnover machine. Lots of fumbles, and trying to do too much has gotten him on trouble, and that's the only obstacle I see.
he's not a turnover machine. dude doesn't throw picks.
The guy has 30 fumbles in 31 career starts, what do you think of that?
Ernie Accorsi drafted Tim Carter
There was a reason he went #10 and it took one team falling in love him to go and get him. So far as I could tell, the ONLY other team that was rumored to be interested in trading up to get him was the NYG.
It's easy now to talk about how great PM was in college and how impressive he threw the ball and how top-notch is skills were.
This discussion is probably academic. I can see the team taking the compromise position of taking a wideout or o-lineman in the first round because "we've screwed up Daniel" and then taking one of the second tier guys in a later round. The discussion probably should be centered around Milton, Pratt, Rattler, and who among McCarthy, Nix, Penix might make it to day 2.
This discussion is probably academic. I can see the team taking the compromise position of taking a wideout or o-lineman in the first round because "we've screwed up Daniel" and then taking one of the second tier guys in a later round. The discussion probably should be centered around Milton, Pratt, Rattler, and who among McCarthy, Nix, Penix might make it to day 2.
I’d debate this point on Maye / UNC… he actually regressed this past year and Mac Brown does not have a history of developing NFL QBs. There’s a chance Maye could actually be a lot better with improved coaching.
There was a reason he went #10 and it took one team falling in love him to go and get him. So far as I could tell, the ONLY other team that was rumored to be interested in trading up to get him was the NYG.
It's easy now to talk about how great PM was in college and how impressive he threw the ball and how top-notch is skills were.
Mahomes style of play wasn't the style of play teams were looking for back then, and not winning a single big game had nothing to do with it, considering he played for Texas Tech, who came close to beating LSU in their Bowl Game. He'd be looked at much differently in todays environment.
This discussion is probably academic. I can see the team taking the compromise position of taking a wideout or o-lineman in the first round because "we've screwed up Daniel" and then taking one of the second tier guys in a later round. The discussion probably should be centered around Milton, Pratt, Rattler, and who among McCarthy, Nix, Penix might make it to day 2.
That's the thing that's not talked about enough, when players like a Trubisky for example come out after playing 13 games in college. They are not ready, than you have others who stay in school for at least three years, makes a difference. Look at a Purdy, who I wasn't that high on coming out (but I knew had experience), he played 4 years of college ball.
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but Caleb Williams will have to prove that he's going to be somewhat of a turnover machine. Lots of fumbles, and trying to do too much has gotten him on trouble, and that's the only obstacle I see.
he's not a turnover machine. dude doesn't throw picks.
The guy has 30 fumbles in 31 career starts, what do you think of that?
He can clean that up with some good coaching at the next level. I recall people saying that Josh Allen wouldn't be able to throw with accuracy at the next level, cuz he wasn't accurate enough at Wyoming (including Troy Aikman), well...
It has to do with the fact that something was 'coached' out of a player, who some had some doubts about coming in...that's the point I am making here. Each had something to clean up.
Hoge claimed Manziel would bust and that Khalil Mack was better than Clowney. He was right on both of them.
Who knows how his mind will work in the NFL. There are many factors and CW is not flawless. I wouldn't trade up to pick 1 for him myself and I would take a historic haul from the Commies to trade down one slot if I were Poles.