I wish I had saved it so I could post it in it's entirety but about a month ago I wrote Mara a lengthy letter expressing my thoughts on the current direction of the team, my displeasure at how they've handled the QB position and strongly suggested that they take this QB class very seriously even if that means being overly aggressive in ensuring they find their future QB. I didn't hold anything back, I mentioned how insane it would be to give Jones yet another year given what we've seen so far and how doing so would almost certainly lead to yet another house cleaning next offseason in a much weaker QB class (as of now). I also said that if they did that I wouldn't spend a dime on this team next year.
I didn't expect to hear back but I wanted him to know how many of us feel as fans right now. I don't know what I expected him to reply if he did but it certainly wasn't what he wrote.
Here was his reply
He wrote back very quickly to a 2 page letter so I imagine that he reads everything he receives. Ultimately it may not make a difference but I'd urge others that feel this way to write to him, it certainly can't hurt to hear from as many fans as possible.
No one should be surprised by his feedback.
I don't get it either. I mentioned in the letter that there's no precedent for a team giving a QB this much time to "figure things out" in the modern era and thinking he'll suddenly break out is a pipe dream.
But I don't think Mara wrote this with the "JKM/ad" at the bottom.
But I don't think Mara wrote this with the "JKM/ad" at the bottom.
I took that as his admin printing it and mailing it for him but you could be right
Might want to think this through a bit
If they are going to replace him to you honestly expect him to put that in writing or even insinuate that responding to a fan?
Come on now
But they have to contend with their owner’s weird obsession with Jones. And it is weird. Jones has done NOTHING to warrant such admiration. But Mara has publicly gone to bat multiple times for Jones. Why???
This will be Jones’ SIXTH year! Sixth!!!
In what fucking world is Daniel Jones a Super Bowl winning QB. What else do they need to see? Absolutely baffling. I’m about to start bandwagoning, this team refuses to change
I think it will take Jones playing a full season behind a good offensive line and playing poorly.
Until that happens Mara will always have some excuse.
So the sooner we fix the line the sooner we get rid of Jones, it's that simple.
I honestly believe they feel guilty over drafting him and feeding him to the wolves. No offensive targets. No protection. Multiple coaches. Owner right or wrong feels they never really gave him a chance. And when they did he played well enough.
But they have to contend with their owner’s weird obsession with Jones. And it is weird. Jones has done NOTHING to warrant such admiration. But Mara has publicly gone to bat multiple times for Jones. Why???
This will be Jones’ SIXTH year! Sixth!!!
They know what they have. It's tough to work at Mara Tech.
I believe it. They’re smart football people, this actually gives me hope we will be drafting a QB high, as I think we need to.
So it’s Jones fault that after a pretty good rookie year that Shurmer got fired?
Really?
Jones is the reason the Judge was canned?
Interesting observation
BD not getting to work with his own raw qb is going to be a damn shame
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BD not getting to work with his own raw qb is going to be a damn shame
That’s an amazing crystal ball you have?
Where can I get one?
No one should be surprised by his feedback.
I don't know... That response sounded awfully canned. He prob has a stack of fan letters anout Jones and be willing to be they have a boileppate doc that they send back to the fans.
Whether or not that's true (and yes of course he isn't going to indicate they are moving on), I don't think the question should be about giving up on him. Rather, is he earning his job? Is he being made to earn it?
Welcome to the Giants, where reasons are found to keep underperforming family members like Jones, Shepard, Gettleman, and (gasp) late career Eli rather than establishing a meritocracy where roles are earned and the best candidates rise to the top.
Some people give him shit, but he cares deeply about the Giants and the fans. Our ineptitude for the majority of the past decade are not due to him not caring or trying to make things right. His father Wellington is treated like a God in Giants history and even NFL history. And the Giants stunk for nearly 20 years. For the 17 years leading up to LT arriving, the Giants didn't make the playoffs once and only had two winning seasons (8-6 and 9-5).
Some people give him shit, but he cares deeply about the Giants and the fans. Our ineptitude for the majority of the past decade are not due to him not caring or trying to make things right. His father Wellington is treated like a God in Giants history and even NFL history. And the Giants stunk for nearly 20 years. For the 17 years leading up to LT arriving, the Giants didn't make the playoffs once and only had two winning seasons (8-6 and 9-5).
+1
My advice is be grateful he wrote back to you and be thankful his response is that the football guys will decide. Spend a little time reading posts and you should get an idea that fans calling the shots amounts to a terrible idea, thank you.
But he's been a shit owner for awhile now.
If he is openly stating his preference, then he needs to stop pretending the football people are making the decisions. Either go full Jerry Jones, and name himself the GM, or he should keep his opinions to himself
Whether or not that's true (and yes of course he isn't going to indicate they are moving on), I don't think the question should be about giving up on him. Rather, is he earning his job? Is he being made to earn it?
Welcome to the Giants, where reasons are found to keep underperforming family members like Jones, Shepard, Gettleman, and (gasp) late career Eli rather than establishing a meritocracy where roles are earned and the best candidates rise to the top.
Im not sure if you should be rooting for this team. All you do is talk shit on literally everything they do and honestly it gets tiresome.
There seems to be group of people here that just do nothing but bash the team. Even when they say something is good about the team, its because another component of the team screwed it up. If you are so down on the team, why discuss it to begin with.?
I came here because I love talking ball and the Giants and none of my peers are into it like I am. Ive stopped texting Hisnts fams friends because I started getting responses like "the team's been dead for ____ weeks, what is there to talk about and why do youwant to talk about a bad team?" The answer is because I want them to turn it around and have to believe that ownership does too.
I do not believe for a second that Mara is meddling any more at this point. I think he made it abundantly clear to Schoen about his fondness for Jones/Barkley and after last year, Schoen was under a ton of pressure to give Jones the contract combined with there not being a qb option where we were drafting, and flushing a playoff season by letting him 2alk would have been a tough ask to have Schoen tell Mara.
But some of you legitimately post the most miserable things about a team you say you care about. This is a fact: its not fun to read the same thought over and over again.
But some of you legitimately post the most miserable things about a team you say you care about. This is a fact: its not fun to read the same thought over and over again.
What else is there to talk about? Posting good things about the Giants, at present, would be either ignorant or dishonest.
Maybe he and/or the decision makers really are still stuck on Jones. Or maybe they’re just going to say they are until they see who they can get in the draft and free agency
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But some of you legitimately post the most miserable things about a team you say you care about. This is a fact: its not fun to read the same thought over and over again.
What else is there to talk about? Posting good things about the Giants, at present, would be either ignorant or dishonest.
Thats disingenuous. Every single thing you post is mucked up with negativity and if thats your thing, so be it. But constantly saying the same thing with the same negativity is not making your posts or this place enjoyable to read. I don't have a problem with your being disappointed, I am very disappointed with how things have been turning out. But that doesnt mean I feel the need to ruin EVERY SINGLE discusseion with my miserable thoughts like you are some drill instructor whose sole purpose is breaking Giants fans. You, and others are doing this for yourselves and it sucks.
Sorry to lecture, but I had to say it. Im not going to tell you what to do, but if I felt as shitty about the Giants as you apparently do, I wouldnt post on threads on a message board the same negative thought over and over again.
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But some of you legitimately post the most miserable things about a team you say you care about. This is a fact: its not fun to read the same thought over and over again.
What else is there to talk about? Posting good things about the Giants, at present, would be either ignorant or dishonest.
That’s not true at all, some fans just enjoy a more positive outlook and look for things they can get excited about.
Whether or not that's true (and yes of course he isn't going to indicate they are moving on), I don't think the question should be about giving up on him. Rather, is he earning his job? Is he being made to earn it?
Welcome to the Giants, where reasons are found to keep underperforming family members like Jones, Shepard, Gettleman, and (gasp) late career Eli rather than establishing a meritocracy where roles are earned and the best candidates rise to the top.
MARATOCRACY
It’s a Maratocracy with the Giants.
Not only this, is Mara supposed to actually say, "you know what Mr. Random Fan, you are really clued in. We are sick of DJ disappointing years after year and we are doing everything we can to take a QB in the first and if that doesnt work out we will trade other picks to move up in the 2nd. But we are certainly Done with Jones!
Yours,
John"
Come onnnnnn
BB is freakin disaster at this point. Stop with the Belichick lovefest. I don't want him anywhere near the Giants.
Personally, I'd prefer John Mara's cut throat, win at any cost alter ego, No Mara take over.
I think all these things provide an easy pivot to Schoen without ever having to admit that Jones is a bad player.
One objective indicator that the path NYG has followed with DJ is an outlier.
The fact that NYG hasn't drafted a QB in the years since DJ was drafted is all the more striking given his failure to earn the option.
I think all these things provide an easy pivot to Schoen without ever having to admit that Jones is a bad player.
They are never going to say he sucks. But it’s 17 games since the extension, not 6. Him being unavailable for 11 of them absolutely counts in the evaluation. We need to stop saying 6 games. The other 11 count just as much, maybe more