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NGT: The Mahomes impact on the Jets

Tony in Tampa : 2/14/2024 7:53 am
Just cause I feel like taking a shot at the Jets: Doesn’t the probable dominance of Mahomes on all the NFL and particularly the AFC for the next few seasons add another blow to the Arron Rodgers signing with Jets?

Rodgers is back for this coming season and possibly one more. And of course anything could happen to the Chiefs: Injuries, loss of FAs, bad calls, Superbowl hang over season, Andy Reed retiring, etc., but what are the chances of even a comeback Rodgers season, where a lot goes right for the Jets end up having them beating the Chiefs and Mahomes in say an early round playoff game? Doesn’t this put Rodgers as a Jet in the same situation as say Patrick Ewing or Charles Barkley being blocked from winning championships by Jordan (of course AR does have a ring).

If the make or break to the Rodgers career as a Jet is getting to a Superbowl, what are the chances of that happening in the next couple seasons with Mahomes now in his prime?
Seemed the Jets "plan" was two fold  
Shecky : 2/14/2024 8:38 am : link
Win now, and to groom Wilson.

Well, they didnt win now, obviously. And Wilson will be a former Jet sooner rather than later.

Seems they need to draft a QB now more than ever. To be groomed. Which will only piss off Rodgers if history is any indication.

As tough as it's been to be a Giants fan the past decade, it could always be worse...
Rodgers hasn't won a superbowl in 12+ years  
OBJ_AllDay : 2/14/2024 8:40 am : link
He's not winning one now.
Saleh is the most pre-fired coach in the NFL right now  
Sean : 2/14/2024 9:07 am : link
I'd put Eberflus second. I wouldn't be shocked if Saleh is let go before Thanksgiving.
not sure what you expect them to do  
bluepepper : 2/14/2024 9:10 am : link
stop trying to win because they're in the same conference as Mahomes?
RE: Seemed the Jets  
FStubbs : 2/14/2024 9:13 am : link
In comment 16398584 Shecky said:
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Win now, and to groom Wilson.

Well, they didnt win now, obviously. And Wilson will be a former Jet sooner rather than later.

Seems they need to draft a QB now more than ever. To be groomed. Which will only piss off Rodgers if history is any indication.

As tough as it's been to be a Giants fan the past decade, it could always be worse...


I'd say the opposite. They've made their bed, lie in it. Draft offense. Linemen, receivers, whatever. Go all in on Rodgers and when he retires, blow the whole thing up and sell everything that isn't nailed down.
RE: not sure what you expect them to do  
Tony in Tampa : 2/14/2024 9:15 am : link
In comment 16398603 bluepepper said:
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stop trying to win because they're in the same conference as Mahomes?

more so they sold their soul as an org to take a shot at winning it all, quick fix. But they are a victim of bad timing. I get a chuckle.
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Section331 : 2/14/2024 9:25 am : link
In comment 16398608 Tony in Tampa said:
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stop trying to win because they're in the same conference as Mahomes?


more so they sold their soul as an org to take a shot at winning it all, quick fix. But they are a victim of bad timing. I get a chuckle.


Sold their soul? They swapped 1st rounders, the net cost was a 2nd rounder for one of the best QB’s in history. It’s certainly defensible to question the decision, but sold their soul? They needed a QB, they got one at a good price. If that’s selling your soul, sign me up!
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OBJ_AllDay : 2/14/2024 9:38 am : link
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stop trying to win because they're in the same conference as Mahomes?


more so they sold their soul as an org to take a shot at winning it all, quick fix. But they are a victim of bad timing. I get a chuckle.



Sold their soul? They swapped 1st rounders, the net cost was a 2nd rounder for one of the best QB’s in history. It’s certainly defensible to question the decision, but sold their soul? They needed a QB, they got one at a good price. If that’s selling your soul, sign me up!


Allen Lazard 4 years 44 million
Randall Cobb 1 year 3 million
Billy Turner 1 year 1.65 million
Adam Pankey 1 year 895k

All brought in by GM Rodgers. He's also determined the fates of their coaching staff and GM and will have a heavy say in their draft. Thats pretty much selling your soul... Giving a player on the team that kind of leeway.
They did more than "sell their soul'  
jvm52106 : 2/14/2024 10:03 am : link
they bought into their own hype. There isn't a coach in the NFL out side of Nick Siriani (who is in a league unto himself) that I despise more than Saleh.

His blatantly overhyping Rodgers all summer long, his borderline mental blowing of Rodgers for the cameras and sound bites was soo over the top it was comical. His whole persona became a guy who already planned on his SB speech, his SB aftermath. It was a joke the way he acted and talked and to see Rodgers go down was like a needle to a balloon. POP, there went the Jets season and there went MR. Blowhard Saleh all in one Achilles tear..

The Jets brought in Rodgers people and most failed or were non factors. I expect them to try and do so again by going after D. Adams, Watson from GB and I expect them to stay away from drafting a QB (which they should do) because of Rodgers ego.

They have a very weirdly put together roster with some studs youth wise but a lot of guys who are mid tier. Injuries to those areas puts much lesser talent on the field.

They could turn it around but to expect Rodgers to be Rodgers at his age, off a major injury and without any really game history with his teammates is questionable at best.
Maybe  
regischarlotte : 2/14/2024 10:41 am : link
But next year it could be Mahomes' Achilles.
RE: RE: RE: RE: not sure what you expect them to do  
JayBinQueens : 2/14/2024 10:53 am : link
In comment 16398634 OBJ_AllDay said:
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stop trying to win because they're in the same conference as Mahomes?


more so they sold their soul as an org to take a shot at winning it all, quick fix. But they are a victim of bad timing. I get a chuckle.



Sold their soul? They swapped 1st rounders, the net cost was a 2nd rounder for one of the best QB’s in history. It’s certainly defensible to question the decision, but sold their soul? They needed a QB, they got one at a good price. If that’s selling your soul, sign me up!



Allen Lazard 4 years 44 million
Randall Cobb 1 year 3 million
Billy Turner 1 year 1.65 million
Adam Pankey 1 year 895k

All brought in by GM Rodgers. He's also determined the fates of their coaching staff and GM and will have a heavy say in their draft. Thats pretty much selling your soul... Giving a player on the team that kind of leeway.


Lazard is the only bad contract there. Turner was also only brought in after they got o-line injuries
Yeah I'm looking forward to a nice Jets shitshow next year  
bceagle05 : 2/14/2024 11:05 am : link
to distract me from the likely Giants shitshow - the Jets always embarrass themselves just a little bit more.

Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Ravens, Bengals, Browns, Texans are all better than the Jets. They'll probably have to battle Pittsburgh, Jacksonville and the Chargers for a wild card spot, and I trust Tomlin, Pederson and Harbaugh a lot more than Saleh.
RE: RE: RE: not sure what you expect them to do  
Tony in Tampa : 2/14/2024 11:08 am : link
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stop trying to win because they're in the same conference as Mahomes?


more so they sold their soul as an org to take a shot at winning it all, quick fix. But they are a victim of bad timing. I get a chuckle.



Sold their soul? They swapped 1st rounders, the net cost was a 2nd rounder for one of the best QB’s in history. It’s certainly defensible to question the decision, but sold their soul? They needed a QB, they got one at a good price. If that’s selling your soul, sign me up!

Sold their soul in that they turned the control of their org over to an egotistical control freak on the hope he could take them to the promised land. They made him a de facto player GM all to get him to come to NY and be happy and stay. Rodgers says who stays and who goes. Saleh should probably be gone but AR likes him so he stays. To me that's selling your soul
this super bowl or bust talk is nonsense  
djm : 2/14/2024 11:31 am : link
the Jets aren't thinking that way. They want to win 10 games and get into January. IF they did that they'd be just fine with things even if they lost in the first or second round. Winning 10-11 games or so shuts everyone up for the most part. Winning 10-11 games quiets the loud masses and allows for the team to keep the status quo. No firings. No cleaning house. That's what every owner or team president is aiming for first and foremost.

The Jets would have won 10-11 games if AR doesn't break. Shit happens. They will run it back because what choice do they have. Saleh is a placeholder but the team has talent. It's on AR and his health.
Had a Similar Thought,  
clatterbuck : 2/14/2024 11:41 am : link
Not only Mahomes, but Josh Allen and Bills, Burrow and Bengals, Lamar and Ravens, resurgent Browns, the Miami scoring machine, Herbert out in LA with Harbaugh. Rodgers will get Jets into the playoffs but they're not even a lock to win the division. The whole deal was predicated on winning a SB in a one-two-year window. They have no QB behind ancient Aaron as well.
Mahomes  
nochance : 2/14/2024 1:03 pm : link
Theres a lot more than Mahomes keeping the Jets out of the superbowl. First of all Rogers next season will be a 41 year old QB coming off an achilles injury. Their OL is as bad as the Giants and after Garret Wilson what wr and tight end do they have? Their Defense is good but not 2000 Ravens quality
The problem with this plan, to me, is not properly evaluating their  
Matt M. : 2/14/2024 2:56 pm : link
team. They were never JUST a QB away from being a SB team.
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