First three picks are QBs next three picks are WRs.
1. Bears - Caleb Williams
2. Commanders - Drake Maye
3. Pats - Jayden Daniels
4. Cardinals - Marvin Harrison Jr.
5. Chargers - Malik Nabers
6. Giants - Rome Odunze Link - ( New Window )
I dont know what his separation skills are but I do know that he has a ridiculous catch % on contested passes. I wonder if people are drawing the "no separation" line because he is so good at contested catches.
I dont know what his separation skills are but I do know that he has a ridiculous catch % on contested passes. I wonder if people are drawing the "no separation" line because he is so good at contested catches.
Because instead of watching the games they make their conclusions based on YouTube highlights. They see Rome making 15 contested catches in highlights and assume he can’t separate.
for one of the big-three or stupidly don't select one of the them if one falls to #6, I'm warming to the idea of finding a partner to move down and take one of these excellent OL prospects.
for one of the big-three or stupidly don't select one of the them if one falls to #6, I'm warming to the idea of finding a partner to move down and take one of these excellent OL prospects.
I agree with you here. While I think Jones had enough talent before injuries to win in this league. No reason to argue when it is clear Jones is an injury liability. Too much history to ignore.
So, I want to trade up if the research reveals a force multiplier at QB(used force multiplier for you) Go get it. The only non QB I would take at 6 is MH jr. Trade down sounds good to me too without a QB. I REALLY want a QB.
RE: RE: Chargers spending back to back #1 picks on WRs?
I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
The Eagles had a terrific OL and defense. Basically all they were missing was some weapons. The Chargers defense is atrocious and the OL isn’t far behind. I wouldn’t be shocked if they went WR again because it’s likely the best value but the two teams were/are completely different situations
Verse, Turner could possibly vault into top 5 with great combines. Happens every year just about... Defensive End/edge guy increases their draft position signnificantly by having very str9ng combines. Last year it was Van Ness and McDonald, this year there is less high end talent this year and that could mean teams will put a premium on those guys
I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
The Eagles had a terrific OL and defense. Basically all they were missing was some weapons. The Chargers defense is atrocious and the OL isn’t far behind. I wouldn’t be shocked if they went WR again because it’s likely the best value but the two teams were/are completely different situations
I'm not disagreeing with the different situations, and clearly what you noted is why the Philly traded for Brown rather than drafting another WR in 2022. But the idea that a team could only be as foolish as the Millen-era Lions by using their first round pick on WR in consecutive years is a bit silly, IMO.
Unless you're drafting for need, there are going to be times when the BPA by a mile is going to be at the same position you just drafted in the first round the previous year. Ignoring that talent to address a need is how you end up like the Giants of recent years, IMO. It would be like passing on Carl Banks because you had drafted Lawrence Taylor a few years earlier.
The WR position has become ultra-premium and you're almost always going to have more than one of the field at the same time. I'm not sure why anyone would scoff at using back to back picks there, especially when last year's pick didn't exactly take the league by storm as a rookie.
Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
Oh we are going to play with names like a little kid... Ok JoeyDumbass... see how stupid that sounds even though it fits you. No there isn't ... He will run in the 4.4s... people that prefer Nabers say he has better separation and he does. They say Odunze catches to many contested catches and he does. However no one says Odunze can't separate much less 60%. You hear I want Nabers because he is better at separation and you hear Odunze can't separate. That is on you the reader which is why dumbass would fit you.
Just like if I said I want Nabers because he has an amazing 3.1% rate which is better than Odunze. That doesn't mean Odunze at 3.8% has a bad drop rate. He has a great drop rate, but just not as good as Nabers.
Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
Oh we are going to play with names like a little kid... Ok JoeyDumbass... see how stupid that sounds even though it fits you. No there isn't ... He will run in the 4.4s... people that prefer Nabers say he has better separation and he does. They say Odunze catches to many contested catches and he does. However no one says Odunze can't separate much less 60%. You hear I want Nabers because he is better at separation and you hear Odunze can't separate. That is on you the reader which is why dumbass would fit you.
Just like if I said I want Nabers because he has an amazing 3.1% rate which is better than Odunze. That doesn't mean Odunze at 3.8% has a bad drop rate. He has a great drop rate, but just not as good as Nabers.
I’m not doing the research for you. All the threads here are archive, you can find it for yourself. Internet tough guys make me laugh.
Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
Oh we are going to play with names like a little kid... Ok JoeyDumbass... see how stupid that sounds even though it fits you. No there isn't ... He will run in the 4.4s... people that prefer Nabers say he has better separation and he does. They say Odunze catches to many contested catches and he does. However no one says Odunze can't separate much less 60%. You hear I want Nabers because he is better at separation and you hear Odunze can't separate. That is on you the reader which is why dumbass would fit you.
Just like if I said I want Nabers because he has an amazing 3.1% rate which is better than Odunze. That doesn't mean Odunze at 3.8% has a bad drop rate. He has a great drop rate, but just not as good as Nabers.
I’m not doing the research for you. All the threads here are archive, you can find it for yourself. Internet tough guys make me laugh.
If it was 60% of BBI I shouldn't need to look at archives and I don't need too. I know that it isn't true. You say you don't want to do research for me, but really you are just wrong and that is ok. You can be wrong, just don't double down on it.
I am not sure what I said that you think made me an internet tough guy. Well actually it makes sense. You tried to make fun of my screenname, I then showed you how childish it was by making fun of your screenname. You hear I will beat you up! It really does come down to reading fundamentals.
If it was 60% of BBI I shouldn't need to look at archives and I don't need too. I know that it isn't true. You say you don't want to do research for me, but really you are just wrong and that is ok. You can be wrong, just don't double down on it.
I am not sure what I said that you think made me an internet tough guy. Well actually it makes sense. You tried to make fun of my screenname, I then showed you how childish it was by making fun of your screenname. You hear I will beat you up! It really does come down to reading fundamentals.
Again I’m doing your homework for you. You like Nabers better Odunze, that’s fine. But to think Odunze is not on par with Nabers on a prospect is wrong, and that’s what I’ve seen a lot on BBI. I’m not doing the work.
You want to take personal shots, and don’t get mad when a stray comes your way. You soft ass little bitch you.
If it was 60% of BBI I shouldn't need to look at archives and I don't need too. I know that it isn't true. You say you don't want to do research for me, but really you are just wrong and that is ok. You can be wrong, just don't double down on it.
I am not sure what I said that you think made me an internet tough guy. Well actually it makes sense. You tried to make fun of my screenname, I then showed you how childish it was by making fun of your screenname. You hear I will beat you up! It really does come down to reading fundamentals.
Again I’m doing your homework for you. You like Nabers better Odunze, that’s fine. But to think Odunze is not on par with Nabers on a prospect is wrong, and that’s what I’ve seen a lot on BBI. I’m not doing the work.
You want to take personal shots, and don’t get mad when a stray comes your way. You soft ass little bitch you.
Ohhh ... Now you have seen that Odunze is not on par with Nabers. Not that people said Odunze can't separate. This is a good backtrack but still... Most of BBI love all 3 WRs including Rome. It is true a lot of BBI has it MHj, Nabers, and then Odunze, but that doesn't mean they don't like Odunze. Most have all 3 WRs super close in talent. I have it super close as I have stated multiple times. Saying I like Nabers more than Odunze doesn't mean I don't like Odunze. Again you really have a reading problem.
Look I get it... you made a stupid statement. Probably looked for hours trying to find even one example and couldn't. You only saw that people say they want Nabers over Odunze and so you want to change course on your statement. The problem is you are still wrong and it is because you can't comprehend words.
Plus the constant I am not doing your research for you... trust me I would never want someone who has no reading comprehension to do research for me so you are off the hook.
I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
Yeah because the chargers have a lot of other needs than WR. They also still have Keenan Allen, whos had a massive year and Quentin Johnston, who youd hope, only gets better with time.
but I do wonder if his skill set is Daboll & Kafkas ideal WR. Odunze’s more of a classic outside X who would’ve been great in Gilbrides O. Daboll might want one of those inside outside flex WRs. There’s the Diggs/Tyreek Hill stuff and they loved Zay Flowers last year.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
but I do wonder if his skill set is Daboll & Kafkas ideal WR. Odunze’s more of a classic outside X who would’ve been great in Gilbrides O. Daboll might want one of those inside outside flex WRs. There’s the Diggs/Tyreek Hill stuff and they loved Zay Flowers last year.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
Like Robert Gallery?
RE: RE: Draft the player not the position. I love Odunze
but I do wonder if his skill set is Daboll & Kafkas ideal WR. Odunze’s more of a classic outside X who would’ve been great in Gilbrides O. Daboll might want one of those inside outside flex WRs. There’s the Diggs/Tyreek Hill stuff and they loved Zay Flowers last year.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
Like Robert Gallery?
I'm honestly trying to understand what your point is. Because Robert Gallery busted at T 20 years ago you can't draft Joe Alt now? Follow the draft closely, you find busts and failed strategies no matter which direction you go.
Can I just say "Josh Rosen" and kill all discussion of adding a QB? Let's raise the level of discourse here.
RE: RE: RE: Draft the player not the position. I love Odunze
but I do wonder if his skill set is Daboll & Kafkas ideal WR. Odunze’s more of a classic outside X who would’ve been great in Gilbrides O. Daboll might want one of those inside outside flex WRs. There’s the Diggs/Tyreek Hill stuff and they loved Zay Flowers last year.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
Like Robert Gallery?
I'm honestly trying to understand what your point is. Because Robert Gallery busted at T 20 years ago you can't draft Joe Alt now? Follow the draft closely, you find busts and failed strategies no matter which direction you go.
Can I just say "Josh Rosen" and kill all discussion of adding a QB? Let's raise the level of discourse here.
Yes, let's raise the level of discourse.
Then maybe we can talk about how fucking batshit insane it is to suggest having THREE top-10 OT prospects drafted within a five year stretch.
I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
Yeah because the chargers have a lot of other needs than WR. They also still have Keenan Allen, whos had a massive year and Quentin Johnston, who youd hope, only gets better with time.
Not to mention they have Josh Palmer who's a solid #3 as well and has flashed when he's been given opportunities. LAC seems like a prime trade down candidate to me.
Looking forward to the Combine to see the WR's in the timed events.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
The hell he can't. I bet he runs in the 4.4s.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
That's Lions territory from years ago.
It's possible.
Allen and Williams each have issues either by injury or contract. Chargers need to clear space.
Harbaugh loves him some tight ends.
I dont know what his separation skills are but I do know that he has a ridiculous catch % on contested passes. I wonder if people are drawing the "no separation" line because he is so good at contested catches.
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I dont know what his separation skills are but I do know that he has a ridiculous catch % on contested passes. I wonder if people are drawing the "no separation" line because he is so good at contested catches.
Because instead of watching the games they make their conclusions based on YouTube highlights. They see Rome making 15 contested catches in highlights and assume he can’t separate.
Harbaugh loves him some tight ends.
I thought Bowers going #15 seemed a bit low. More likely to go top ten.
So, I want to trade up if the research reveals a force multiplier at QB(used force multiplier for you) Go get it. The only non QB I would take at 6 is MH jr. Trade down sounds good to me too without a QB. I REALLY want a QB.
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I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
The Eagles had a terrific OL and defense. Basically all they were missing was some weapons. The Chargers defense is atrocious and the OL isn’t far behind. I wouldn’t be shocked if they went WR again because it’s likely the best value but the two teams were/are completely different situations
Verse, Turner could possibly vault into top 5 with great combines. Happens every year just about... Defensive End/edge guy increases their draft position signnificantly by having very str9ng combines. Last year it was Van Ness and McDonald, this year there is less high end talent this year and that could mean teams will put a premium on those guys
Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
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I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
The Eagles had a terrific OL and defense. Basically all they were missing was some weapons. The Chargers defense is atrocious and the OL isn’t far behind. I wouldn’t be shocked if they went WR again because it’s likely the best value but the two teams were/are completely different situations
I'm not disagreeing with the different situations, and clearly what you noted is why the Philly traded for Brown rather than drafting another WR in 2022. But the idea that a team could only be as foolish as the Millen-era Lions by using their first round pick on WR in consecutive years is a bit silly, IMO.
Unless you're drafting for need, there are going to be times when the BPA by a mile is going to be at the same position you just drafted in the first round the previous year. Ignoring that talent to address a need is how you end up like the Giants of recent years, IMO. It would be like passing on Carl Banks because you had drafted Lawrence Taylor a few years earlier.
The WR position has become ultra-premium and you're almost always going to have more than one of the field at the same time. I'm not sure why anyone would scoff at using back to back picks there, especially when last year's pick didn't exactly take the league by storm as a rookie.
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Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
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Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
Oh we are going to play with names like a little kid... Ok JoeyDumbass... see how stupid that sounds even though it fits you. No there isn't ... He will run in the 4.4s... people that prefer Nabers say he has better separation and he does. They say Odunze catches to many contested catches and he does. However no one says Odunze can't separate much less 60%. You hear I want Nabers because he is better at separation and you hear Odunze can't separate. That is on you the reader which is why dumbass would fit you.
Just like if I said I want Nabers because he has an amazing 3.1% rate which is better than Odunze. That doesn't mean Odunze at 3.8% has a bad drop rate. He has a great drop rate, but just not as good as Nabers.
You just fundamentally think that's too high to draft a WR?
What positions do you think are appropriate for the slot?
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- 60% of BBI.
Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
Oh we are going to play with names like a little kid... Ok JoeyDumbass... see how stupid that sounds even though it fits you. No there isn't ... He will run in the 4.4s... people that prefer Nabers say he has better separation and he does. They say Odunze catches to many contested catches and he does. However no one says Odunze can't separate much less 60%. You hear I want Nabers because he is better at separation and you hear Odunze can't separate. That is on you the reader which is why dumbass would fit you.
Just like if I said I want Nabers because he has an amazing 3.1% rate which is better than Odunze. That doesn't mean Odunze at 3.8% has a bad drop rate. He has a great drop rate, but just not as good as Nabers.
I’m not doing the research for you. All the threads here are archive, you can find it for yourself. Internet tough guys make me laugh.
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In comment 16398612 JoeyBigBlue said:
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- 60% of BBI.
Not one person said this... People say Nabers has elite separation, the best in the draft. You just can't read.
Imsoft, this has become the topic surrounding Odunze throughout this draft cycle. There’s countless threads on here saying that. Go do your research.
Oh we are going to play with names like a little kid... Ok JoeyDumbass... see how stupid that sounds even though it fits you. No there isn't ... He will run in the 4.4s... people that prefer Nabers say he has better separation and he does. They say Odunze catches to many contested catches and he does. However no one says Odunze can't separate much less 60%. You hear I want Nabers because he is better at separation and you hear Odunze can't separate. That is on you the reader which is why dumbass would fit you.
Just like if I said I want Nabers because he has an amazing 3.1% rate which is better than Odunze. That doesn't mean Odunze at 3.8% has a bad drop rate. He has a great drop rate, but just not as good as Nabers.
I’m not doing the research for you. All the threads here are archive, you can find it for yourself. Internet tough guys make me laugh.
If it was 60% of BBI I shouldn't need to look at archives and I don't need too. I know that it isn't true. You say you don't want to do research for me, but really you are just wrong and that is ok. You can be wrong, just don't double down on it.
I am not sure what I said that you think made me an internet tough guy. Well actually it makes sense. You tried to make fun of my screenname, I then showed you how childish it was by making fun of your screenname. You hear I will beat you up! It really does come down to reading fundamentals.
I am not sure what I said that you think made me an internet tough guy. Well actually it makes sense. You tried to make fun of my screenname, I then showed you how childish it was by making fun of your screenname. You hear I will beat you up! It really does come down to reading fundamentals.
Again I’m doing your homework for you. You like Nabers better Odunze, that’s fine. But to think Odunze is not on par with Nabers on a prospect is wrong, and that’s what I’ve seen a lot on BBI. I’m not doing the work.
You want to take personal shots, and don’t get mad when a stray comes your way. You soft ass little bitch you.
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If it was 60% of BBI I shouldn't need to look at archives and I don't need too. I know that it isn't true. You say you don't want to do research for me, but really you are just wrong and that is ok. You can be wrong, just don't double down on it.
I am not sure what I said that you think made me an internet tough guy. Well actually it makes sense. You tried to make fun of my screenname, I then showed you how childish it was by making fun of your screenname. You hear I will beat you up! It really does come down to reading fundamentals.
Again I’m doing your homework for you. You like Nabers better Odunze, that’s fine. But to think Odunze is not on par with Nabers on a prospect is wrong, and that’s what I’ve seen a lot on BBI. I’m not doing the work.
You want to take personal shots, and don’t get mad when a stray comes your way. You soft ass little bitch you.
Ohhh ... Now you have seen that Odunze is not on par with Nabers. Not that people said Odunze can't separate. This is a good backtrack but still... Most of BBI love all 3 WRs including Rome. It is true a lot of BBI has it MHj, Nabers, and then Odunze, but that doesn't mean they don't like Odunze. Most have all 3 WRs super close in talent. I have it super close as I have stated multiple times. Saying I like Nabers more than Odunze doesn't mean I don't like Odunze. Again you really have a reading problem.
Look I get it... you made a stupid statement. Probably looked for hours trying to find even one example and couldn't. You only saw that people say they want Nabers over Odunze and so you want to change course on your statement. The problem is you are still wrong and it is because you can't comprehend words.
Plus the constant I am not doing your research for you... trust me I would never want someone who has no reading comprehension to do research for me so you are off the hook.
It's why I find mocks in general, but especially at this time of year pointless, especially by people without any insider info
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I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
Yeah because the chargers have a lot of other needs than WR. They also still have Keenan Allen, whos had a massive year and Quentin Johnston, who youd hope, only gets better with time.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
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The hell he can't. I bet he runs in the 4.4s.
Separation is more about short area quickness and route running
Agreed. But WRs (and the best TEs) create the most separation due to their understanding of defensive leverage and savy route running.
If a pass catcher can make a defender hesitate for a split second, that can be more valuable than any sort of timed number in shorts
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
Like Robert Gallery?
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but I do wonder if his skill set is Daboll & Kafkas ideal WR. Odunze’s more of a classic outside X who would’ve been great in Gilbrides O. Daboll might want one of those inside outside flex WRs. There’s the Diggs/Tyreek Hill stuff and they loved Zay Flowers last year.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
Like Robert Gallery?
I'm honestly trying to understand what your point is. Because Robert Gallery busted at T 20 years ago you can't draft Joe Alt now? Follow the draft closely, you find busts and failed strategies no matter which direction you go.
Can I just say "Josh Rosen" and kill all discussion of adding a QB? Let's raise the level of discourse here.
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but I do wonder if his skill set is Daboll & Kafkas ideal WR. Odunze’s more of a classic outside X who would’ve been great in Gilbrides O. Daboll might want one of those inside outside flex WRs. There’s the Diggs/Tyreek Hill stuff and they loved Zay Flowers last year.
To me, and people will groan, if big bad Joe Alt’s sitting there projecting as a squeaky clean 10-year Pro Bowler it’s Zack Martin all over again. The Giants need great football players.
Like Robert Gallery?
I'm honestly trying to understand what your point is. Because Robert Gallery busted at T 20 years ago you can't draft Joe Alt now? Follow the draft closely, you find busts and failed strategies no matter which direction you go.
Can I just say "Josh Rosen" and kill all discussion of adding a QB? Let's raise the level of discourse here.
Yes, let's raise the level of discourse.
Then maybe we can talk about how fucking batshit insane it is to suggest having THREE top-10 OT prospects drafted within a five year stretch.
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I doubt it.
That's Lions territory from years ago.
Is it all that different from the Eagles drafting Devonta Smith in 2021 and then trading their 2022 first round pick for A.J. Brown?
Yeah because the chargers have a lot of other needs than WR. They also still have Keenan Allen, whos had a massive year and Quentin Johnston, who youd hope, only gets better with time.
Not to mention they have Josh Palmer who's a solid #3 as well and has flashed when he's been given opportunities. LAC seems like a prime trade down candidate to me.