Say we suck in 2024 and we end up firing Daboll,

In comment 16398757 Mike from Ohio said:

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this year unless there is more coach/player drama at the end of the season. There are two scenarios that can play out. 1) The Giants stick with Jones at QB and 2024 looks a lot like 2023. Daboll gets another year because he tried again with Jones which is what Schoen and Mara wanted. He is not getting fired for trying too hard with Jones.

But they’ll need a scapegoat, and if they don’t take a QB this year they may not be able to make Jones the scapegoat

Didn't he fail as HC with the Rams?

Some guys are not meant to be HCs but can be great coordinators (like Wink).

we hired another retread who did not deserve a second chance. If we were going to go that route, we might as well have given Spags a second chance (who by the way was Spag's offensive coordinator in STL if I am not mistaken).

and did not like how he came across or interacted with players on Hard Knocks in whatever year he was on it.

In comment 16398764 Will Shine said:

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Didn't he fail as HC with the Rams? Some guys are not meant to be HCs but can be great coordinators (like Wink).

That was an impossible situation when you go back and look at the roster he inherited

seems to make a lot of sense. Has a good track record and his Tenn. team reminded me of when the Giants were a good team with how they played. Also, a bunch of people he worked with are not with the Giants.

I can see pressure building to hire BB.

I would at least interview Spags who I am a big fan of. It didn't go well the first time for him but that was a long time ago. I think it would be worth it to see what he learned and how he would go about it this time.

In comment 16398782 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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seems to make a lot of sense. Has a good track record and his Tenn. team reminded me of when the Giants were a good team with how they played. Also, a bunch of people he worked with are not with the Giants. I can see pressure building to hire BB. I would at least interview Spags who I am a big fan of. It didn't go well the first time for him but that was a long time ago. I think it would be worth it to see what he learned and how he would go about it this time.

Vrabel does fit the NFC East to me very well. Something to keep in mind as well is there is a good chance both Dallas & Philly are looking for head coaches.

In comment 16398725 KingBlue said:

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I can't get my head around this thought... when have the Giants ever sucked?

They suck just before they blow.

They hired Cowden last year who Vrabel wanted as the GM of the Titans. Then this offseason they hired his OC, DC, LB coach, and Strength and conditioning coach.

or D.

but he's a big personality who is very likely looking to have final say. And that would require a major shift away from the timeworn model that Mara and too many other teams continue to use.

So, I am saying (D).

Is going to give DJ another chance at year 7, since Giants keep failing DJ.

Davoli aint getting fired....

In comment 16398703 Spider56 said:

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continuity.

That asshole isn't getting a HC job, much less a Giants HC job.

He's from the Northeast and the association with KC doesn't hurt

To be evaluated. His contract is a 5 years deal so that would time right for either extension or release.

Also To give up on him is to give up on Schoen too and would be a full reset ….again.

A proven winner.

In comment 16398759 ajr2456 said:

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In comment 16398757 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: this year unless there is more coach/player drama at the end of the season. There are two scenarios that can play out. 1) The Giants stick with Jones at QB and 2024 looks a lot like 2023. Daboll gets another year because he tried again with Jones which is what Schoen and Mara wanted. He is not getting fired for trying too hard with Jones. But they’ll need a scapegoat, and if they don’t take a QB this year they may not be able to make Jones the scapegoat

If they stick with Jones in 2024 and have a bad season, and they fire Daboll as the problem, then settle in. You are probably getting a lucrative Jones extension that offseason that will let him retire a Giant.

But in my opinion those are some really good options.

In comment 16398844 Mike from Ohio said:

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In comment 16398759 ajr2456 said: Quote: In comment 16398757 Mike from Ohio said: Quote: this year unless there is more coach/player drama at the end of the season. There are two scenarios that can play out. 1) The Giants stick with Jones at QB and 2024 looks a lot like 2023. Daboll gets another year because he tried again with Jones which is what Schoen and Mara wanted. He is not getting fired for trying too hard with Jones. But they’ll need a scapegoat, and if they don’t take a QB this year they may not be able to make Jones the scapegoat If they stick with Jones in 2024 and have a bad season, and they fire Daboll as the problem, then settle in. You are probably getting a lucrative Jones extension that offseason that will let him retire a Giant.

You have to consider the GM situation when thinking through coaching.

Davoli would be the guy

If Jones is the primary starter this year and struggles, he's 100 percent gone. People might legitimately try to burn down 1925 Giants way if they run it back again in 2025.

Also, if his performance is enough to get Daboll fired, pretty much every coach is going to insist on wanting to get their own QB.

In comment 16398866 Lambuth_Special said:

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If Jones is the primary starter this year and struggles, he's 100 percent gone. People might legitimately try to burn down 1925 Giants way if they run it back again in 2025. Also, if his performance is enough to get Daboll fired, pretty much every coach is going to insist on wanting to get their own QB.

People get off on exaggerating and perpetuating these stupid ass takes so often, they literally start to believe it. It's nothing more than mob speak horse shit.

In comment 16398866 Lambuth_Special said:

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If Jones is the primary starter this year and struggles, he's 100 percent gone. People might legitimately try to burn down 1925 Giants way if they run it back again in 2025. Also, if his performance is enough to get Daboll fired, pretty much every coach is going to insist on wanting to get their own QB.

Yep. The far majority of the fanbase is done with Jones. We've seen reports about targeting QB and Rapaport mentioned trading up. This isn't that complicated. The likely scenario is drafting a QB and moving off Jones after this season.

In comment 16398906 Sean said:

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Yep. The far majority of the fanbase is done with Jones. We've seen reports about targeting QB and Rapaport mentioned trading up. This isn't that complicated. The likely scenario is drafting a QB and moving off Jones after this season.

Selective journalism at its best. We have also seen many reports that the Giants are not trading up, will draft a WR in the first round or may trade down. Basically pure speculation at this point and no one really knows.

would expect Vrabel to get a long look.

It's Davoli, not Daboll.

....GM and Daboll are close

hold on to a coach at least one year longer than they should. And a GM two years longer than they should.

Don't expect Daboll or Schoen gone after next season.

know this won't stop him from becoming a head coach somewhere else next year, but the Chiefs announced a couple of hours ago that Spags has signed an extension.

In comment 16398993 Professor Falken said:

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know this won't stop him from becoming a head coach somewhere else next year, but the Chiefs announced a couple of hours ago that Spags has signed an extension.

It wouldn't prevent him, but my sense is that Spags is in Spagnuolo heaven where he is. He's at the top of his craft, receiving love from all quarters, and doesn't have to worry about the shite that a HC has to deal with. Never saw him as likely candidate in this thread. He didn't have to go far out of his way, but Reid has heaped praise on his d at every opportunity.

This is old dog ain't living through another regime.

Would expect the Giants to look at younger coaches.

In comment 16398988 David B. said:

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hold on to a coach at least one year longer than they should. And a GM two years longer than they should. Don't expect Daboll or Schoen gone after next season.

Huh? McAdoo didn't even make it through a 2nd season. Shurmur & Judge were fired after 2 seasons.

all things equal id prefer an offense oriented head coach with head coaching experience but beggars cant be choosers so i think vrabel would end up the best pick.

I want Daboll back for 2025. I think he kept the team together and made chicken salad out of the chicken shit they had at QB.

Firing head coaches every 2 years is not a recipe for success.

Could be, but his close ties to Daboll could hurt him!


:-)

would confirm our status as a third tier franchise

is go opposite of previous hire.

How does a man who was voted coach of the year all of a sudden forget how to coach?

Here.

In comment 16398740 DefenseWins said:

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as a big part of the problem. We will never know how much John Mara has his thumb on the scale. We learned that Wellington as nice of a human being as he was, could fuck up a football team in a hall of fame fashion. Sometimes the apple does not fall far from the tree.

wouldn't it be funny if they sell the team, you get what you want, and they never again sniff a championship and suck twice as bad, and you find out the football savvy Mara's with Giants in their blood were the only thing holding it all together after all. or you could draft the next QB, and the one after that and the one after that and find despite best efforts each is worse than the last. Shit happens. I don't think Mara's are the problem or Tische's or some other random owner are the answer. They sell the team we turn into the jets.

In comment 16398794 Jay on the Island said:

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They hired Cowden last year who Vrabel wanted as the GM of the Titans. Then this offseason they hired his OC, DC, LB coach, and Strength and conditioning coach.

This

then I'm convinced this franchise has become too sensitive to fans impulsive temper tantrums on social media and forums like this one.

In comment 16400034 Rory said:

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then I'm convinced this franchise has become too sensitive to fans impulsive temper tantrums on social media and forums like this one.

WTF? Let's say the Giant go 2-15 next season...you want Dabs back?

In comment 16400034 Rory said:

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then I'm convinced this franchise has become too sensitive to fans impulsive temper tantrums on social media and forums like this one.

Hahaha. Riiiiiight.

If you’re ’convinced’ by that, hey, I’ve got some ocean front property in AZ I’d like to sell you for pennies on the dollar!

In comment 16399447 Red Right Hand said:

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In comment 16398740 DefenseWins said: Quote: as a big part of the problem. We will never know how much John Mara has his thumb on the scale. We learned that Wellington as nice of a human being as he was, could fuck up a football team in a hall of fame fashion. Sometimes the apple does not fall far from the tree. wouldn't it be funny if they sell the team, you get what you want, and they never again sniff a championship and suck twice as bad, and you find out the football savvy Mara's with Giants in their blood were the only thing holding it all together after all. or you could draft the next QB, and the one after that and the one after that and find despite best efforts each is worse than the last. Shit happens. I don't think Mara's are the problem or Tische's or some other random owner are the answer. They sell the team we turn into the jets.

I've got news for you ....

Over the last decade, we've been pretty much the same as the Jets.

2. Someone else in their late 30s to early 50s who has HC in big college program or NFL. Don't have anyone in mind.
3. Spags - He ain't leaving KC. Think being DC is good enough for him. He wasn't successful as a HC.
4. Belichick - He's in his 70s.

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Not a big Vrabel guy, having a long streak of mediocrity is not something I would consider attracting.