Why can't we just recognize good play design? If Bosa keyed on Mahomes and Mahomes handed it off, would everyone be saying why did Bosa key on Mahomes, the guy never runs the ball!
Mahomes ran for nearly 400 yards this year at nearly 4.5 carries per game.
He could have made a bad play but those happen, the opponent gets paid to make you miss. I’m under the assumption Wilks made an egregious error prepping the team because that’s what it looked like on that last play. If they determined that was on him, firing him makes sense.
I agree with the "other team gets paid, too" POV; but if Bosa's job is to contain, that's not the other team being better, that's a huge mental error.
That last play for a Hardmann TD has become a Chiefs staple. A play like that should have been snuffed out...
isn’t a bad coach per se but he keeps getting fired from jobs for reasons, some happenstance or high expectations and just something that is missing.
There's something there. On the outside, appears he gets fired and its a scape goat issue (everytime). But maybe he's a good guy, decent coach. but poor leader. I dont know, I think the offense missed several opportunities early. Could fire the OC too.!
of course but we don’t know if it’s an error on Bosas assignment or not, that’s what I initially replied with.
In any case, premier players aren’t getting cut for getting faked out on a play but coaches will get fired for being unprepared. As with most things in football I highly doubt this was the lone thing that got him fired and was instead the final straw.
extremely good in the Super Bowl and all year in fact. I don’t care who the DC is, Mahomes wanted that TD and he wasn’t going to be denied. Also Greenlaws injury was huge and how is that Wilks fault?
They got taken apart like a dollar watch in the 3rd and 4th quarters and OT. Kelce was apparently a surprise to them and they let Mahomes run for 40 yards in OT. It was not a great performance.
Kelce was more the result of losing Dre Greenlaw, whose replacement allowed 9 receptions on 9 targets for 137 rating.
The loss of Greenlaw was a turning point. Did he blow out his Achilles there like I assume he did?
Very hard to believe. So all this boils down to losing a game where the defense more than held up it's end of the bargain. Very lame on Shanahan's part.
Steve Wilks is not a mediocre defensive coach, nor would I think he lazily underprepared his unit. Crazy to think that he's good enough to get them to the SB, but when they get there he's just interested in radio row.
Sad truth is, 49ers lost that game and all 3 phases are to blame. Everyone in that building needs to look in the mirror.
Yes that's true.
But at the same time, looking forward to next year, there's a chance he'd have been fired anyway had they won the Super Bowl.
Niner defensive dominance has been a mainstay since 2019 minus last season. What was the difference?
An external hire.
Wilks did some good stuff on the secondary end, but a lot of uncharacteristic performance on defense this season.
If you don't have the golden boy as your QB you need all the help you can get.
extremely good in the Super Bowl and all year in fact. I don’t care who the DC is, Mahomes wanted that TD and he wasn’t going to be denied. Also Greenlaws injury was huge and how is that Wilks fault?
They got taken apart like a dollar watch in the 3rd and 4th quarters and OT. Kelce was apparently a surprise to them and they let Mahomes run for 40 yards in OT. It was not a great performance.
Kelce was more the result of losing Dre Greenlaw, whose replacement allowed 9 receptions on 9 targets for 137 rating.
The loss of Greenlaw was a turning point. Did he blow out his Achilles there like I assume he did?
Yes
RE: Would they have fired the guy if they had won?
Very hard to believe. So all this boils down to losing a game where the defense more than held up it's end of the bargain. Very lame on Shanahan's part.
It can seem that way.
But this move is more about 2024, and it doesn't help that the team lost the last game of the season.
RE: Would they have fired the guy if they had won?
Very hard to believe. So all this boils down to losing a game where the defense more than held up it's end of the bargain. Very lame on Shanahan's part.
That's a good question.
And it assumes the Niners D stopped the Chiefs at the end of regulation or in OT. That would have been a very big deal for sure - protecting the lead.
Very hard to believe. So all this boils down to losing a game where the defense more than held up it's end of the bargain. Very lame on Shanahan's part.
That's a good question.
And it assumes the Niners D stopped the Chiefs at the end of regulation or in OT. That would have been a very big deal for sure - protecting the lead.
The D couldn't stop Mahomes the last two drives of the game with the lead.
They also held Mahomes to 3 points in the first half. The Chiefs looked like shit.
This is the literal definition of a scapegoat firing. Shanahan needs to look in the mirror if he wants to blame someone.
It does have that feel at first. But if you get underneath the situation a bit deeper, a strong case can be made the D wilted at the most crucial parts of the game.
BTW, I am not absolving Shanahan. There are key parts of the game where he fell short.
Romo pointed out that Shanahan called timeout im OT
because he didn't like the blitz look the Niners were showing on KC's second and 6 play from the SF 37.
If the HC and DC are that much at odds, one of them probably has to go, and it wasn't going to be Shanahan.
That said, I agree with the comments made that the Niners defense came out playing great and overall played a good game, despite losing one of its best players early in the 2Q.
If Greenlaw didn't go down, very possible SF wins and Wilks is hard to fire.
extremely good in the Super Bowl and all year in fact. I don’t care who the DC is, Mahomes wanted that TD and he wasn’t going to be denied. Also Greenlaws injury was huge and how is that Wilks fault?
Maybe he should not have missed that PAT or let the ball hit his heel on that punt!
Some guys never learn! /sarc.
Why can't we just recognize good play design? If Bosa keyed on Mahomes and Mahomes handed it off, would everyone be saying why did Bosa key on Mahomes, the guy never runs the ball!
Mahomes ran for nearly 400 yards this year at nearly 4.5 carries per game.
Not designed runs tho. The reason the Chiefs don't use QB sneak anymore is because of the knee injury.
The 49ers were ripping KC, in the 1st half, running the ball. Then they came out passing, why ?? Run the ball, till they prove they can stop you !
On defense, the Niners did not let Mahomes out of the box, that's good, but they should have shadowed him like KC shadowed Purdy; when they didn't, Mahomes killed them.
Why can't we just recognize good play design? If Bosa keyed on Mahomes and Mahomes handed it off, would everyone be saying why did Bosa key on Mahomes, the guy never runs the ball!
Mahomes ran for nearly 400 yards this year at nearly 4.5 carries per game.
He could have made a bad play but those happen, the opponent gets paid to make you miss. I’m under the assumption Wilks made an egregious error prepping the team because that’s what it looked like on that last play. If they determined that was on him, firing him makes sense.
I agree with the "other team gets paid, too" POV; but if Bosa's job is to contain, that's not the other team being better, that's a huge mental error.
That last play for a Hardmann TD has become a Chiefs staple. A play like that should have been snuffed out...
In any case, premier players aren’t getting cut for getting faked out on a play but coaches will get fired for being unprepared. As with most things in football I highly doubt this was the lone thing that got him fired and was instead the final straw.
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extremely good in the Super Bowl and all year in fact. I don’t care who the DC is, Mahomes wanted that TD and he wasn’t going to be denied. Also Greenlaws injury was huge and how is that Wilks fault?
They got taken apart like a dollar watch in the 3rd and 4th quarters and OT. Kelce was apparently a surprise to them and they let Mahomes run for 40 yards in OT. It was not a great performance.
Kelce was more the result of losing Dre Greenlaw, whose replacement allowed 9 receptions on 9 targets for 137 rating.
The loss of Greenlaw was a turning point. Did he blow out his Achilles there like I assume he did?
Sad truth is, 49ers lost that game and all 3 phases are to blame. Everyone in that building needs to look in the mirror.
Yes that's true.
But at the same time, looking forward to next year, there's a chance he'd have been fired anyway had they won the Super Bowl.
Niner defensive dominance has been a mainstay since 2019 minus last season. What was the difference?
An external hire.
Wilks did some good stuff on the secondary end, but a lot of uncharacteristic performance on defense this season.
If you don't have the golden boy as your QB you need all the help you can get.
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extremely good in the Super Bowl and all year in fact. I don’t care who the DC is, Mahomes wanted that TD and he wasn’t going to be denied. Also Greenlaws injury was huge and how is that Wilks fault?
They got taken apart like a dollar watch in the 3rd and 4th quarters and OT. Kelce was apparently a surprise to them and they let Mahomes run for 40 yards in OT. It was not a great performance.
Kelce was more the result of losing Dre Greenlaw, whose replacement allowed 9 receptions on 9 targets for 137 rating.
The loss of Greenlaw was a turning point. Did he blow out his Achilles there like I assume he did?
Yes
It can seem that way.
But this move is more about 2024, and it doesn't help that the team lost the last game of the season.
That's a good question.
And it assumes the Niners D stopped the Chiefs at the end of regulation or in OT. That would have been a very big deal for sure - protecting the lead.
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It was the offense that fell short in the Super Bowl.
The D couldn't stop Mahomes the last two drives of the game with the lead.
They also held Mahomes to 3 points in the first half. The Chiefs looked like shit.
This is the literal definition of a scapegoat firing. Shanahan needs to look in the mirror if he wants to blame someone.
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Very hard to believe. So all this boils down to losing a game where the defense more than held up it's end of the bargain. Very lame on Shanahan's part.
That's a good question.
And it assumes the Niners D stopped the Chiefs at the end of regulation or in OT. That would have been a very big deal for sure - protecting the lead.
Yeah. No. You’re still wrong.
The D couldn't stop Mahomes the last two drives of the game with the lead.
They also held Mahomes to 3 points in the first half. The Chiefs looked like shit.
This is the literal definition of a scapegoat firing. Shanahan needs to look in the mirror if he wants to blame someone.
It does have that feel at first. But if you get underneath the situation a bit deeper, a strong case can be made the D wilted at the most crucial parts of the game.
BTW, I am not absolving Shanahan. There are key parts of the game where he fell short.
If the HC and DC are that much at odds, one of them probably has to go, and it wasn't going to be Shanahan.
That said, I agree with the comments made that the Niners defense came out playing great and overall played a good game, despite losing one of its best players early in the 2Q.
If Greenlaw didn't go down, very possible SF wins and Wilks is hard to fire.
Maybe he should not have missed that PAT or let the ball hit his heel on that punt!
Some guys never learn! /sarc.
Don't see how this is a raw deal at all.
Fast Eddie for the win.
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Why can't we just recognize good play design? If Bosa keyed on Mahomes and Mahomes handed it off, would everyone be saying why did Bosa key on Mahomes, the guy never runs the ball!
Mahomes ran for nearly 400 yards this year at nearly 4.5 carries per game.
Not designed runs tho. The reason the Chiefs don't use QB sneak anymore is because of the knee injury.
The 49ers were ripping KC, in the 1st half, running the ball. Then they came out passing, why ?? Run the ball, till they prove they can stop you !
On defense, the Niners did not let Mahomes out of the box, that's good, but they should have shadowed him like KC shadowed Purdy; when they didn't, Mahomes killed them.