Tiki believes Mara wrote it. He also said Mara told him they are not ready to move on. Tiki said they are not going to say that they don’t believe in him because he will be on the team next year. Tiki believes JS and BD do have the last call on drafting a QB.
Really? John Mara will not write anything in a letter if he cared whether it got exposed. We can slam him when it comes to managing the team, but he knows WTF he is saying publicly. Every word is measured.
He is telling everyone that Jones is the QB regardless of whether we draft one. If he says we need a new QB and somehow we cannot get one... then what? Hey Daniel I was just kidding. Go out there and win some games for us.
I have said this 100 times... not sure what else you expect the guy to say. You are not going to get transparency on anything that may or may not happen in the future.
But the whole richest contract in Giants history thing is not indicative of any long term commitment and moreso given the Giants believed in Jones so much the year before they decline a somewhat marginalized one year at minimal risk 5th year option.
It’s a “get out” early overpayment contract and effectively only and 80-85m contract. If anything the contract is simply emblematic of the situation the Giants and Jones found themselves in because of turning down the 5th year option.
And make a mockery of Mara supporting is current under contract qb if im in this correctly.
What did you guys want? A vanilla robotic answer such as “ee will do whats in the best interest of the ny giants” or give a vote of confidence to someone who brought us to the playoffs last year?
Then you want the owner in return to listen to the fans more after making a mockery of a personal letter he wrote? Kudos to him for providing a thoughtfelt reply.
signed up to the richest contract in franchise history 11 months ago, and Jones played in 6 games since
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
Jones is on a 1 year contract for 2024 coming off another neck injury and torn ACL. Before he tore his ACL, there was a looming QB controversy between him and Taylor.
And yes, I say 1 year contract because Schoen would cut Jones for $19M cap savings if 2024 was another poor season.
As we've all discussed a number of times, Jones will almost certainly be on the Giants roster for 2024. But his season will be bookended with some big questions: how he recovers from his ACL and then how to proceed given his injury guarantee.
I'm on record for the last several months predicting Jones will be the presumptive starter and have the full support of management and staff this season.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
As we've all discussed a number of times, Jones will almost certainly be on the Giants roster for 2024. But his season will be bookended with some big questions: how he recovers from his ACL and then how to proceed given his injury guarantee.
I'm on record for the last several months predicting Jones will be the presumptive starter and have the full support of management and staff this season.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
I've been saying it since he got hurt: this is pointing to the Giants signing a veteran to hold down the fort until Jones is healthy. Tannehill, Mariota, and the like.
As we've all discussed a number of times, Jones will almost certainly be on the Giants roster for 2024. But his season will be bookended with some big questions: how he recovers from his ACL and then how to proceed given his injury guarantee.
I'm on record for the last several months predicting Jones will be the presumptive starter and have the full support of management and staff this season.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
I disagree. I think if the Giants have an opportunity to grab any QB with a high ggrade in this draft, they would start the rook and second strong DJ. If for no other reason than an9ther major 8njury might force them to keep him in '25. Maybe they gove him a few games in '24. But if they get any of the top 4 QBs in the draft and he has a good camp, Jones starts 9n the bench.
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Wow. Mara has got to be firious about this and might re-think his "answer all fan mail" policy. I'm wondering if this site might come under pressure for users posting direct team correspondence.
Very glad Strahan91 got the letter and shared the response, but there's an uproad over what Mara said that don't see even coming from a Jones skeptic. Due to a combination of reasons, Jones basically has to be on the roster in 2024, so he can't be thrown under the bus at this point.
The Giants need to get out of the listening to fans business
-Outrage over benching Eli in a 2-9 season. Billboards and everything. I don't doubt that it had an impact over hiring Gettleman and drafting Barkley.
-A lot of the fans who desperately want to move off Jones now were the same fans chanting his name at MetLife during the Colts win and giving him a standing ovation at MSG last March every time he was showed.
-Now, less than a calendar year later it's remove Jones at all costs.
Stop making decisions based on what the fans want. Stick to a process and embrace moves that may not be popular.
-Outrage over benching Eli in a 2-9 season. Billboards and everything. I don't doubt that it had an impact over hiring Gettleman and drafting Barkley.
-A lot of the fans who desperately want to move off Jones now were the same fans chanting his name at MetLife during the Colts win and giving him a standing ovation at MSG last March every time he was showed.
-Now, less than a calendar year later it's remove Jones at all costs.
Stop making decisions based on what the fans want. Stick to a process and embrace moves that may not be popular.
John Mara has nobody to blame but himself.
He said how the Giants "Screwed up" Daniel Jones.
He declared the Giants were "Back" after the playoff win.
He also mentioned how he was right in keeping Coughlin/Eli after 2006 when everybody said to dump them.
IMO John Mara needs to feel like he's correct. Or at least it's not his fault.
he tried to personalize it and our friend shared it with us an now people are making more of it than it is.
yep. if mara talks he said too much, if he didnt talk he'd be ostracized like dolan or the wilponzis when they refused to face the music all those years.
To the owner of a sports team because the team losing is hurting my feelings is somewhere I never want to be in life.
My feelings also. It would never even cross my mind to write a letter, its just a sports team I root for. Its not life.
How much money have you spent on the sports team you root for? I'm a longtime season ticket holder and I'm easily at 6 figures. I've built and run several businesses myself and customers reach out all the time for good and bad reasons.
Part of management is public relations, so you do respond to letters from your fans (customers). Does not mean you invest a whole lot of angst in the response. If Mara has a PA, that is the likely composer of the response. Basically said nothing politely.
Based on total money and structure, Jones deal is at least a 2 year real commitment by both parties with nothing having happened to change that commitment.
IMO, is going to get another chance as the starting QB of the NYG.
But this has nothing to do with the approach to the position vis a vis this draft or perhaps free agency. You have to plan for post 2024 at the position and that begins now.
If they don't plan for a successor in this draft, then it's an imperative in the next one, and it's an impediment to the Schoen/Daboll timeline...the rope gets shorter if the can gets kicked. I think they will survive this year almost no matter what happens, but if they have a disastrous 2025 season, it could be their last. So for these two men at the helm of this franchise, it's in their best interests to do whatever possible to acquire a QB they believe in now.
You give DJ some run this year for two reasons...the first is to hopefully re-establish some trade value (or establish), and the second is to give the new guy some acclimation time to the NFL level of competition and your system...which is designed to give him a greater chance of success once the baton is passed.
Everyone might as well come to peace with the fact that DJ will play as soon as he is healthy.
The only way this doesn't happen is if he is not ready early and a potential rookie is thrown into the fire right away and acquits himself admirably.
People think Mara cares this got leaked. He said it's up to the football people what will happen. That's what you'd want an owner yo say... unless y'all would prefer him to act like Woody and direct them on things out of his element
I don't get it either. I think some people (not Sy) lean into the doom & gloom. But, there is a reason Schoen had a hard negotiation for that potential out after 2024.
Why wouldn't he exercise it and seriously consider QB in a QB heavy draft with a top 10 pick?
And make a mockery of Mara supporting is current under contract qb if im in this correctly.
What did you guys want? A vanilla robotic answer such as “ee will do whats in the best interest of the ny giants” or give a vote of confidence to someone who brought us to the playoffs last year?
Then you want the owner in return to listen to the fans more after making a mockery of a personal letter he wrote? Kudos to him for providing a thoughtfelt reply.
Why wouldn't he exercise it and seriously consider QB in a QB heavy draft with a top 10 pick?
My guess is Schoen knows if he picks a QB with a top 10 pick, the moment Jones makes a mistake the entire world will be pressuring Daboll to play the rookie.
Picking a QB in the top 10 this year means they gave Jones 6 games last year, and possibly fewer than 10 games total to prove he was worth the investment.
I think Schoen would be comfortable moving on from Jones after this year if he doesn't perform.
My guess is the Giants pick a quarterback in the 2nd round.
1) I have no issue with someone writing Mara. As Strahan91 pointed out in this thread or another one, he drops a ton of coin on the team. I, for one, wouldn't write Mara, but I have no issue with those who do.
2) If Mara wants to get less heat, the answer is simple...fucking win. No one GAF about the owner when the team is winning. You think Chiefs fans are losing sleep over whichever Hunt is in charge right now?
3) Mara defenders are delusional, right up there with DJ fans.
It really isn't 6 games though. It's 17 and he was only healthy for 6. Big difference especially when you view it as a 2 year, $82M contract.
As for the fans calling for the rookie, the fans were already calling for Taylor before the ACL.
I’ve told christian this numerous times. He continues to ignore it and pretend the 11 games missed aren’t substantial to the eval and just throws them out. Tomorrow when he posts in another thread, he will say the same 6 game routine. I’m not sure why he refuses to acknowledge the games missed due to injury, but he does.
I just think you're wrong. These aren't career threatening injuries, and I don't think they will weigh heavily enough in their decision making to make them give up on him.
I've posted this question before, if Joe Burrow suffered the same two injuries Jones did this season, do you think the Bengals would be contemplating replacing him? Of course not. A torn ACL and a neck injury that cost a player a few games aren't cause to be deeply concerned.
Schoen is going to evaluate whether he believes he has enough information to give up on Jones. And I don't believe he has enough on-the-field information to say that.
Mara can't be too thrilled about this.
If you sort by last post, it's a top 5 post (I'm always surprised people don't have that as their default so figured I'd add it)
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
He played in six games and was injured for 11. If anything the injuries are a greater mark against him.
Mara can't be too thrilled about this.
Really? John Mara will not write anything in a letter if he cared whether it got exposed. We can slam him when it comes to managing the team, but he knows WTF he is saying publicly. Every word is measured.
He is telling everyone that Jones is the QB regardless of whether we draft one. If he says we need a new QB and somehow we cannot get one... then what? Hey Daniel I was just kidding. Go out there and win some games for us.
I have said this 100 times... not sure what else you expect the guy to say. You are not going to get transparency on anything that may or may not happen in the future.
Indeed. At least San Fran has the balls to cut bait with Lance and go with the 7th round pick
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
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signed up to the richest contract in franchise history 11 months ago, and Jones played in 6 games since
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
He played in six games and was injured for 11. If anything the injuries are a greater mark against him.
Agreed and overlooked. Even if he bounces back, he has to be one more head&neck injury away from retirement
It’s a “get out” early overpayment contract and effectively only and 80-85m contract. If anything the contract is simply emblematic of the situation the Giants and Jones found themselves in because of turning down the 5th year option.
What did you guys want? A vanilla robotic answer such as “ee will do whats in the best interest of the ny giants” or give a vote of confidence to someone who brought us to the playoffs last year?
Then you want the owner in return to listen to the fans more after making a mockery of a personal letter he wrote? Kudos to him for providing a thoughtfelt reply.
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
I agree that's the likely outcome.
Doesn't mean it's the prudent strategy.
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
Jones is on a 1 year contract for 2024 coming off another neck injury and torn ACL. Before he tore his ACL, there was a looming QB controversy between him and Taylor.
And yes, I say 1 year contract because Schoen would cut Jones for $19M cap savings if 2024 was another poor season.
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
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signed up to the richest contract in franchise history 11 months ago, and Jones played in 6 games since
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
He played in six games and was injured for 11. If anything the injuries are a greater mark against him.
That's what I am starting to think. This guy can't stay healthy? China doll?
I'm on record for the last several months predicting Jones will be the presumptive starter and have the full support of management and staff this season.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
I'm on record for the last several months predicting Jones will be the presumptive starter and have the full support of management and staff this season.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
I've been saying it since he got hurt: this is pointing to the Giants signing a veteran to hold down the fort until Jones is healthy. Tannehill, Mariota, and the like.
I'm on record for the last several months predicting Jones will be the presumptive starter and have the full support of management and staff this season.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
I disagree. I think if the Giants have an opportunity to grab any QB with a high ggrade in this draft, they would start the rook and second strong DJ. If for no other reason than an9ther major 8njury might force them to keep him in '25. Maybe they gove him a few games in '24. But if they get any of the top 4 QBs in the draft and he has a good camp, Jones starts 9n the bench.
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Wow. Mara has got to be firious about this and might re-think his "answer all fan mail" policy. I'm wondering if this site might come under pressure for users posting direct team correspondence.
Classic that this went into the sports media stream.
Nice job strahan!
-Outrage over benching Eli in a 2-9 season. Billboards and everything. I don't doubt that it had an impact over hiring Gettleman and drafting Barkley.
-A lot of the fans who desperately want to move off Jones now were the same fans chanting his name at MetLife during the Colts win and giving him a standing ovation at MSG last March every time he was showed.
-Now, less than a calendar year later it's remove Jones at all costs.
Stop making decisions based on what the fans want. Stick to a process and embrace moves that may not be popular.
-Outrage over benching Eli in a 2-9 season. Billboards and everything. I don't doubt that it had an impact over hiring Gettleman and drafting Barkley.
-A lot of the fans who desperately want to move off Jones now were the same fans chanting his name at MetLife during the Colts win and giving him a standing ovation at MSG last March every time he was showed.
-Now, less than a calendar year later it's remove Jones at all costs.
Stop making decisions based on what the fans want. Stick to a process and embrace moves that may not be popular.
John Mara has nobody to blame but himself.
He said how the Giants "Screwed up" Daniel Jones.
He declared the Giants were "Back" after the playoff win.
He also mentioned how he was right in keeping Coughlin/Eli after 2006 when everybody said to dump them.
IMO John Mara needs to feel like he's correct. Or at least it's not his fault.
I will be shocked if the Giants select a quarterback on round one, either with their pick or trading up from the second round.
what kind of odds does christian's sportsbook put on "shocking"? +500 or better lmk where i can place that bet.
My feelings also. It would never even cross my mind to write a letter, its just a sports team I root for. Its not life.
yep. if mara talks he said too much, if he didnt talk he'd be ostracized like dolan or the wilponzis when they refused to face the music all those years.
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To the owner of a sports team because the team losing is hurting my feelings is somewhere I never want to be in life.
My feelings also. It would never even cross my mind to write a letter, its just a sports team I root for. Its not life.
How much money have you spent on the sports team you root for? I'm a longtime season ticket holder and I'm easily at 6 figures. I've built and run several businesses myself and customers reach out all the time for good and bad reasons.
Based on total money and structure, Jones deal is at least a 2 year real commitment by both parties with nothing having happened to change that commitment.
But this has nothing to do with the approach to the position vis a vis this draft or perhaps free agency. You have to plan for post 2024 at the position and that begins now.
If they don't plan for a successor in this draft, then it's an imperative in the next one, and it's an impediment to the Schoen/Daboll timeline...the rope gets shorter if the can gets kicked. I think they will survive this year almost no matter what happens, but if they have a disastrous 2025 season, it could be their last. So for these two men at the helm of this franchise, it's in their best interests to do whatever possible to acquire a QB they believe in now.
You give DJ some run this year for two reasons...the first is to hopefully re-establish some trade value (or establish), and the second is to give the new guy some acclimation time to the NFL level of competition and your system...which is designed to give him a greater chance of success once the baton is passed.
Everyone might as well come to peace with the fact that DJ will play as soon as he is healthy.
The only way this doesn't happen is if he is not ready early and a potential rookie is thrown into the fire right away and acquits himself admirably.
And now he's gonna pull the plug? Not happening.
Sy I keep seeing this take and just don't get it. We can afford to get out after this year and it's not coincidence.
It's ok to have enough humility to admit a mistake and move on. The benchmark for a GM can't be perfection.
He played well enough in 22 to get two more years we don't need to see 3-4
Why wouldn't he exercise it and seriously consider QB in a QB heavy draft with a top 10 pick?
What did you guys want? A vanilla robotic answer such as “ee will do whats in the best interest of the ny giants” or give a vote of confidence to someone who brought us to the playoffs last year?
Then you want the owner in return to listen to the fans more after making a mockery of a personal letter he wrote? Kudos to him for providing a thoughtfelt reply.
Lol. Ok.
JFC.
My guess is Schoen knows if he picks a QB with a top 10 pick, the moment Jones makes a mistake the entire world will be pressuring Daboll to play the rookie.
Picking a QB in the top 10 this year means they gave Jones 6 games last year, and possibly fewer than 10 games total to prove he was worth the investment.
I think Schoen would be comfortable moving on from Jones after this year if he doesn't perform.
My guess is the Giants pick a quarterback in the 2nd round.
Until this team does better, he deserves all the shit slung his way.
1) I have no issue with someone writing Mara. As Strahan91 pointed out in this thread or another one, he drops a ton of coin on the team. I, for one, wouldn't write Mara, but I have no issue with those who do.
2) If Mara wants to get less heat, the answer is simple...fucking win. No one GAF about the owner when the team is winning. You think Chiefs fans are losing sleep over whichever Hunt is in charge right now?
3) Mara defenders are delusional, right up there with DJ fans.
As for the fans calling for the rookie, the fans were already calling for Taylor before the ACL.
As for the fans calling for the rookie, the fans were already calling for Taylor before the ACL.
I’ve told christian this numerous times. He continues to ignore it and pretend the 11 games missed aren’t substantial to the eval and just throws them out. Tomorrow when he posts in another thread, he will say the same 6 game routine. I’m not sure why he refuses to acknowledge the games missed due to injury, but he does.
I've posted this question before, if Joe Burrow suffered the same two injuries Jones did this season, do you think the Bengals would be contemplating replacing him? Of course not. A torn ACL and a neck injury that cost a player a few games aren't cause to be deeply concerned.
Schoen is going to evaluate whether he believes he has enough information to give up on Jones. And I don't believe he has enough on-the-field information to say that.