it is never by a team drafting a QB unless some idiot got drunk. It is by a team not taking a QB and most likely someone nowhere near the top of the draft.
Cryptic only in sense I take this to mean that Maye and Williams aren’t the 1-2 universality combination of top QBs by some teams. I feel like several teams will have Daniels up there and wouldn’t stun me to see some Nix support ahead of Maye.
Colin Cowherd is also on record that an NFL GM has Nix as QB 2
this guy has moved up etc but that is usually because the original "lists" are by people NOT in the league. When news, rumors and info starts leaking about what teams are saying to agents etc. then we hear this guy is rising and this guy is falling..
I think back to 2018 and the QB's there.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson.
Heading into the draft very few if anyone was listing Mayfield as the top pick. Allen was all over the place because of supposed accuracy issues, Darnold was the sexy pick but with flaws, Rosen the most skilled but also with concussion issues and lack of true Football commitment and then Jackson who most didn't see as a first option.
Right now I think Williams is the unquestioned #1 QB "prospect" and yet he isn't the guy I want the most. The amount we would need to give up to get him (if even possible) would be too high. Plus, I am not convinced he is the best option for the Giants.
Maye is a solid fit and could be in play for us with a move up.
Daniels is a wild card but has risks.
McCarthy is the guy I am starting to think is destined to be a Giant- at #6. He sits to start the season and Jones gets moved or benched before the season is over. My thinking is he shows enough and we move him at the trade deadline.
because coaches are becoming more involved in studying and providing input to the scouting department and GM. Eventually, I think JJ is likely to be selected higher than his perceived stock during the college football season.
I believe JJ possesses all the qualities that coaches admire in a prospect, even more so than scouts.
I have no idea what to make of him. Michigan didn't ask much of him.
But I think he'll go in the first.
Agreed. I think this report is only a revelation to us plebes. I also think there will be more than one truly great QB’s in the first two rounds this year. I hope we pick a one.
Care to know Elway's record at Stanford? Mahomes's at Texas Tech?
Yeah, it's really challenging winning at IMG and Michigan.
Bw, your opinion carries so much weight around here, I’m really hopefully that you’ll drop some intel about your pro scout opinion. Care to share it?
Otherwise I’ll just help you hijack this thread with bullshit. You’ve already posted 4 times. Maybe…just not think so highly of your expert opinion? Or just stake your claim so we can laugh at it later….?
Cryptic only in sense I take this to mean that Maye and Williams aren’t the 1-2 universality combination of top QBs by some teams. I feel like several teams will have Daniels up there and wouldn’t stun me to see some Nix support ahead of Maye.
Take it at face value.
Just because fans on a NFL team forum are convinced of one thing, doesn't mean they know more than a fan knows.
No matter how much they like their own thoughts.
He makes amazing NFL level throws all the time. I've been saying this for a while. Hope the Giants get him or Maye. Williams and Daniels are going 1-2.
Winner? So were Manziel, Wuerffel, Tebow, Torretta, Ward, Weinke, Crouch, Detmer, etc. Would you want any one of them as the Giants' QB? Sometimes QBs are winners because of the teams they play on. Sometimes they aren't winners because their teams are bad. Mahomes was 13-19 at Texas Tech. Does that mean he's not a winner?
Winner? So were Manziel, Wuerffel, Tebow, Torretta, Ward, Weinke, Crouch, Detmer, etc. Would you want any one of them as the Giants' QB? Sometimes QBs are winners because of the teams they play on. Sometimes they aren't winners because their teams are bad. Mahomes was 13-19 at Texas Tech. Does that mean he's not a winner?
Hyperbole at its finest. Lol
it's amazing how triggering some guys are every year
I am no expert, for sure, so I don't pretend to know who the right guy is. But if they draft JJ, I can't wait to see the heads of some posters to completely explode.
And then I hope the kid comes in and KILLS it. Just to show those assholes who think they know it, that they haven't a fucking clue...
I thought McCarthy's release looked a little weird but I only watched two games of his. He showed a lot of nice things but I thought Daniels/Williams were clearly better in the limited time I saw the three play.
to admit, the more film I watch of him, the more I like him. He has a lot of plus attributes, and there is no question he can make NFL throws. His processing ability is apparently also very good. My guess is that the buzz and excitement about him only increase during and after the combine and his pro day. Those are the perfect places for him to showcase his arm strength and athletic ability. It looks like if the Giants want him, they will have to take him at #6.
Knowing the other teams plays...
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
But I think he'll go in the first.
Do tell.
Cryptic only in sense I take this to mean that Maye and Williams aren’t the 1-2 universality combination of top QBs by some teams. I feel like several teams will have Daniels up there and wouldn’t stun me to see some Nix support ahead of Maye.
I think back to 2018 and the QB's there.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson.
Heading into the draft very few if anyone was listing Mayfield as the top pick. Allen was all over the place because of supposed accuracy issues, Darnold was the sexy pick but with flaws, Rosen the most skilled but also with concussion issues and lack of true Football commitment and then Jackson who most didn't see as a first option.
Right now I think Williams is the unquestioned #1 QB "prospect" and yet he isn't the guy I want the most. The amount we would need to give up to get him (if even possible) would be too high. Plus, I am not convinced he is the best option for the Giants.
Maye is a solid fit and could be in play for us with a move up.
Daniels is a wild card but has risks.
McCarthy is the guy I am starting to think is destined to be a Giant- at #6. He sits to start the season and Jones gets moved or benched before the season is over. My thinking is he shows enough and we move him at the trade deadline.
I can see a few of these QBs really putting on a show.
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Do tell.
I think what's happening is Maye may be dropping (in some circles) and the beneficiary - sort of speak - is McCarthy.
Personally, I find that laughable. But one man's junk can easily be another man's gold... ;)
I believe JJ possesses all the qualities that coaches admire in a prospect, even more so than scouts.
I can see a few of these QBs really putting on a show.
I can't wait to see McCarthy getting advice from his mental health coach between drills. ;)
That's about right.
That's about right.
They have an interesting list overall. But I agree that they have McCarthy in the right spot - middle of day two.
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Do tell.
I think what's happening is Maye may be dropping (in some circles) and the beneficiary - sort of speak - is McCarthy.
Personally, I find that laughable. But one man's junk can easily be another man's gold... ;)
Maybe if Caleb misses a few throws and starts crying - he can introduce him to Williams haha
But I think he'll go in the first.
Agreed. I think this report is only a revelation to us plebes. I also think there will be more than one truly great QB’s in the first two rounds this year. I hope we pick a one.
You can't?
Care to know Elway's record at Stanford? Mahomes's at Texas Tech?
Yeah, it's really challenging winning at IMG and Michigan.
Cowherd himself said JJ is a 3rd rounder.
McCarthy isn't dropping past 12. He's going top ten.
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You can't?
Care to know Elway's record at Stanford? Mahomes's at Texas Tech?
Yeah, it's really challenging winning at IMG and Michigan.
Bw, your opinion carries so much weight around here, I’m really hopefully that you’ll drop some intel about your pro scout opinion. Care to share it?
Otherwise I’ll just help you hijack this thread with bullshit. You’ve already posted 4 times. Maybe…just not think so highly of your expert opinion? Or just stake your claim so we can laugh at it later….?
I’ll take whoever QBs for Wisconsin for 500, Alex.
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Cryptic only in sense I take this to mean that Maye and Williams aren’t the 1-2 universality combination of top QBs by some teams. I feel like several teams will have Daniels up there and wouldn’t stun me to see some Nix support ahead of Maye.
Just because fans on a NFL team forum are convinced of one thing, doesn't mean they know more than a fan knows.
No matter how much they like their own thoughts.
The above message was him responding to a tweet he made 6 days ago that said the league is higher on JJ (top 10) than Nix/Penix (2nd/3rd)
We might really get lucky and have Maye/Daniels fall right into our lap at 6 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
The above message was him responding to a tweet he made 6 days ago that said the league is higher on JJ (top 10) than Nix/Penix (2nd/3rd)
We might really get lucky and have Maye/Daniels fall right into our lap at 6 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
Winner? So were Manziel, Wuerffel, Tebow, Torretta, Ward, Weinke, Crouch, Detmer, etc. Would you want any one of them as the Giants' QB? Sometimes QBs are winners because of the teams they play on. Sometimes they aren't winners because their teams are bad. Mahomes was 13-19 at Texas Tech. Does that mean he's not a winner?
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you can't teach that.
Winner? So were Manziel, Wuerffel, Tebow, Torretta, Ward, Weinke, Crouch, Detmer, etc. Would you want any one of them as the Giants' QB? Sometimes QBs are winners because of the teams they play on. Sometimes they aren't winners because their teams are bad. Mahomes was 13-19 at Texas Tech. Does that mean he's not a winner?
Hyperbole at its finest. Lol
Wow. That's never happened before. I'm shocked. Just shocked I tell you!
PS - Malik Willis says hi...
I am no expert, for sure, so I don't pretend to know who the right guy is. But if they draft JJ, I can't wait to see the heads of some posters to completely explode.
And then I hope the kid comes in and KILLS it. Just to show those assholes who think they know it, that they haven't a fucking clue...
IMV, McCarthy is a tough evaluation. There is athleticism to his game that is intriguing, and he can get vertical pretty quickly when he takes off.
But then there is the passer part and that seems more complicated to me.
If you are sold on the passing part, then he's a day one prospect.
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...