I thought McCarthy's release looked a little weird but I only watched two games of his. He showed a lot of nice things but I thought Daniels/Williams were clearly better in the limited time I saw the three play.
remember 2023 mccarthy is like watching 2021 daniels. at the end of 2021 daniels had already attempted more passes at ASU than mccarthy did in at UM. now imagine what would happen in the next 2 years if mccarthy transferred to lsu and got to throw 300 balls to nabers/thomas.
i think this qb class is probably flatter than most years realize bc they all have some clear flaws but they all have something to believe in if you want to.
Knowing the other teams plays...
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
whatever that advantage was got taken away before they beat OSU, Iowa, Bama, UW in 4 straight games to end the year right?
Knowing the other teams plays...
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
whatever that advantage was got taken away before they beat OSU, Iowa, Bama, UW in 4 straight games to end the year right?
Indeed..but be honest,did he look anything but an average game manager in any and all 4 games?
Man, he's one guy that looks like a thrower and not a passer
Knowing the other teams plays...
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
whatever that advantage was got taken away before they beat OSU, Iowa, Bama, UW in 4 straight games to end the year right?
Indeed..but be honest,did he look anything but an average game manager in any and all 4 games?
he doesnt call the plays - when he had to make plays, he made them. he was really good in the alabama game and the catch he made on the flea flicker may have been the most important play of the game. every game i watched him athleticism and i saw nfl throws. and i didnt see any ints.
I know people discount his winning, but he does nothing but win. He is very young and has all the tools. I think he is three among the quarterbacks behind Williams and Daniels and ahead of Maye, Nix, and Penix.
My sleeper pick is Pratt who has a very good arm but just needs pro coaching. He should go in round three.
I know people discount his winning, but he does nothing but win. He is very young and has all the tools. I think he is three among the quarterbacks behind Williams and Daniels and ahead of Maye, Nix, and Penix.
My sleeper pick is Pratt who has a very good arm but just needs pro coaching. He should go in round three.
Long range, who knows what will happen. But I would be astonished if McCarthy got picked ahead of Maye at this stage. There just isn't a lot to go on.
I know people discount his winning, but he does nothing but win. He is very young and has all the tools. I think he is three among the quarterbacks behind Williams and Daniels and ahead of Maye, Nix, and Penix.
My sleeper pick is Pratt who has a very good arm but just needs pro coaching. He should go in round three.
My heart tells me JJ will be a better pro than Maye but my head tells me Maye will be better pro than JJ. They are 2a and 2b to me while CW and Daniels are 1a and 1b (I actually like Daniels more than CW myself).
Just listened to this week’s “Draft Season” (with Schmeelk and Pauline) in which they shared their most overrated and underrated prospects by position.
Pauline’s concerns about JJ include the following:
- Not a very big guy and will have trouble standing in against the rush
- Doesn’t have a very big arm
- A lot of the questionable throws he made on Saturday will be interceptions on Sunday
- When he gets outside the pocket you don’t know where the ball is going. There’s a loss of velocity and accuracy on his passes
- Given his physical skills, he’s going to have problems at the next level.
Pauline has JJ as a 2nd round prospect, but thinks he will be overdrafted and chosen in round 1.
The JJ discussion starts at 2:42 in the video linked below.
this guy has moved up etc but that is usually because the original "lists" are by people NOT in the league. When news, rumors and info starts leaking about what teams are saying to agents etc. then we hear this guy is rising and this guy is falling..
I think back to 2018 and the QB's there.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson.
Heading into the draft very few if anyone was listing Mayfield as the top pick. Allen was all over the place because of supposed accuracy issues, Darnold was the sexy pick but with flaws, Rosen the most skilled but also with concussion issues and lack of true Football commitment and then Jackson who most didn't see as a first option.
Right now I think Williams is the unquestioned #1 QB "prospect" and yet he isn't the guy I want the most. The amount we would need to give up to get him (if even possible) would be too high. Plus, I am not convinced he is the best option for the Giants.
Maye is a solid fit and could be in play for us with a move up.
Daniels is a wild card but has risks.
McCarthy is the guy I am starting to think is destined to be a Giant- at #6. He sits to start the season and Jones gets moved or benched before the season is over. My thinking is he shows enough and we move him at the trade deadline.
This is my general thinking as well - that we are likely to take a QB at 6, although I am very uncertain as to which one and I don't know enough to have an opinion. DJ starts and is replaced at or by season's end.
I also hope that he creates some trade value. It does seem tough to get there, because the world in which someone wants to trade for DJ on a two year $80MM (albeit non-guaranteed) contract, seems like a world in which the NYGs want to keep him as their starter going forward.
I'm just worried that the FO overdrafts a qb that's a bit of reach because they are under pressure. We all want a new qb but (I didn't even want the one we have when he was drafted) but i don't want them to repeat the error.
The problem is: the long term health of the nyg should be the absolute guiding light (but it's hard to execute if you are also dealing with the competing motive of needing a built-in means to keep your job).
Yes he's in play at 6 and it wouldn't shock me if the Giants were the team that had him as QB2.
And they shared this with a reporter? Why?
p.s.--If you're sitting at a poker table trying to decide whether to raise or fold and one of the other players tells you he has a pair of aces, what do you do with this information?
Yes he's in play at 6 and it wouldn't shock me if the Giants were the team that had him as QB2.
And they shared this with a reporter? Why?
p.s.--If you're sitting at a poker table trying to decide whether to raise or fold and one of the other players tells you he has a pair of aces, what do you do with this information?
I wasn't the one that told a reporter this nor do we even know if it was someone from the Giants.
I was only making the point that 2 weeks ago people were balking at McCarthy going any sooner than the end of round 1 when the reality is he's likely to be a top 10 guy and yes, if we drafted him at 6 I don't think it would be a reach.
I also still don't think we draft a QB even though I think we should.
draft and pre-draft for quarterbacks since 2018. They are being talked up in number in a similar fashion to that year.
That draft netted two quality starters, a third who has never justified being the #1 pick, but still hasn't been bad.
So that's three successes as starters. Rudolph, Mike White and Darnold are back-ups, and Rosen outright whiffed.
And Gettleman drafted Kyle Lauletta.
it was difficult watching JJ McCarthy play QB at times. And obviously looked like the Giants were heading for a pretty high draft slot. But at no point did I see these two points intersect.
JJ's overall play looked like a guy who would be an afterthought until the middle rounds when the tier 1 and 2 guys were gone. A QB who, on Saturday morning after teams reassess who is still left on their board, would garner enough speculation to maybe move up to top of Rd 4 and take him.
LOT of projection to take him 2nd. I think it’s more about Maye dropping, it will be interesting to see what the Giants do if Maye is still on the board. Would Schoen/Daboll see him as their Josh Allen?
I’m not sure I see it. For all of his faults at Wyoming, Allen was fearless in the pocket. I see a lot of happy feet with Maye when pressured.
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
Same could be said if McCarthy played in the no defense PAC 12 compared to other QBs where he would put up huge numbers. The big 10 had the best defense by far in the nation and most likely the best two teams this year in Michigan and Ohio State.
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
This is a bigger piece of fantasy than Lord of the Rings
Just listened to this week’s “Draft Season” (with Schmeelk and Pauline) in which they shared their most overrated and underrated prospects by position.
Pauline’s concerns about JJ include the following:
- Not a very big guy and will have trouble standing in against the rush
- Doesn’t have a very big arm
- A lot of the questionable throws he made on Saturday will be interceptions on Sunday
- When he gets outside the pocket you don’t know where the ball is going. There’s a loss of velocity and accuracy on his passes
- Given his physical skills, he’s going to have problems at the next level.
Pauline has JJ as a 2nd round prospect, but thinks he will be overdrafted and chosen in round 1.
The JJ discussion starts at 2:42 in the video linked below. Draft Season - ( New Window )
I am no expert,but I watched 10-12 of JJ's games and never felt he was NFL level talent...
Pauline nails it
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
We had one of the one of the worst GMs in modern day sports and a moron dealing with the NFL media, and even Gettleman wouldn't be so careless to do what you are suggesting above.
JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
Same could be said if McCarthy played in the no defense PAC 12 compared to other QBs where he would put up huge numbers. The big 10 had the best defense by far in the nation and most likely the best two teams this year in Michigan and Ohio State.
this guy has moved up etc but that is usually because the original "lists" are by people NOT in the league. When news, rumors and info starts leaking about what teams are saying to agents etc. then we hear this guy is rising and this guy is falling..
I think back to 2018 and the QB's there.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson.
Heading into the draft very few if anyone was listing Mayfield as the top pick. Allen was all over the place because of supposed accuracy issues, Darnold was the sexy pick but with flaws, Rosen the most skilled but also with concussion issues and lack of true Football commitment and then Jackson who most didn't see as a first option.
Right now I think Williams is the unquestioned #1 QB "prospect" and yet he isn't the guy I want the most. The amount we would need to give up to get him (if even possible) would be too high. Plus, I am not convinced he is the best option for the Giants.
Maye is a solid fit and could be in play for us with a move up.
Daniels is a wild card but has risks.
McCarthy is the guy I am starting to think is destined to be a Giant- at #6. He sits to start the season and Jones gets moved or benched before the season is over. My thinking is he shows enough and we move him at the trade deadline.
Yep, in 2018 I thought Darnold was the a good QB prospect based on how he carved up PSU in the Rose Bowl. I clearly have no ability to evaluate QB prospects, I'll leave that to people who do that for a living.
JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
12/24 for 263...really????
Yes, as a 19 year old in the biggest game of his life.
JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
Didn't he go 12/24 in that game? Against the same defense that gave up 42 to Georgia the next game?
JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
Didn't he go 12/24 in that game? Against the same defense that gave up 42 to Georgia the next game?
Did you watch the game or are you just looking at the box score? 10.9 YPA is pretty good if you ask most people.
if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
It's a little presumptuous to say that Mac Brown can't coach QB's. Harbough, whom I do think is a fantastic coach, worked with how many QB's at Michigan before JJ that have sniffed the pros?
posters on BBI who have a good history of hearing accurate info about who the Giants want. Tis not outlandish that people who cover football for a living can hear stuff.
As on BBI, you have to sort the chaff from the wheat to decide who actually hears stuff and who makes things up/embellishes to garner views.
Sy admitted he slept on JJ thinking he was likely to stay in school. This meteoric rise of JJ came after he declared, so it is a good possibility the same thing could be going on all over the league, and folks are catching up, first the teams, then the folks who cover the sport, then the fans who get their info from the reporters.
posters on BBI who have a good history of hearing accurate info about who the Giants want. Tis not outlandish that people who cover football for a living can hear stuff.
As on BBI, you have to sort the chaff from the wheat to decide who actually hears stuff and who makes things up/embellishes to garner views.
Sy admitted he slept on JJ thinking he was likely to stay in school. This meteoric rise of JJ came after he declared, so it is a good possibility the same thing could be going on all over the league, and folks are catching up, first the teams, then the folks who cover the sport, then the fans who get their info from the reporters.
when he declared with this year's class as strong as it is that was a big tell. people dont yet grasp how much nil has changed those decisions (especially for a NC winner at a blue blood program).
Can they go through multiple progressions and throw an accurate ball? If they weren't asked to in college, will they be able to? Screwing up the latter question has gotten many fired.
if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
It's a little presumptuous to say that Mac Brown can't coach QB's. Harbough, whom I do think is a fantastic coach, worked with how many QB's at Michigan before JJ that have sniffed the pros?
I’ve watched Maye several times over the past 2 years … he seemed to regress with each game. Go back further … Sam Howell’s stats at UNC also show year to year regression .. 2019-2020-2021. In his 16 years at Texas, before his 5 year hiatus from coaching, Browns’ 3 best QBs were Chris Simms, Vince Young and Colt McCoy.
RE: RE: RE: A question … how would these 2 guys look
if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
It's a little presumptuous to say that Mac Brown can't coach QB's. Harbough, whom I do think is a fantastic coach, worked with how many QB's at Michigan before JJ that have sniffed the pros?
I’ve watched Maye several times over the past 2 years … he seemed to regress with each game. Go back further … Sam Howell’s stats at UNC also show year to year regression .. 2019-2020-2021. In his 16 years at Texas, before his 5 year hiatus from coaching, Browns’ 3 best QBs were Chris Simms, Vince Young and Colt McCoy.
I get it, that still doesn't convince me he doesn't know how to coach QB's. I think it's safe to say Sam Howell is an average QB, but either way, rarely do QB's just have this upward trajectory in their careers, and one can make an argument that he's done fairly well with Howell and Maye.
All I'm saying, there is no way to tell how each QB would do on the other team. Would Maye have been able to execute that last minute drive in the Rose Bowl to tie the game?
Can they go through multiple progressions and throw an accurate ball? If they weren't asked to in college, will they be able to? Screwing up the latter question has gotten many fired.
when he got passing attempts i noticed he went through multiple progressions in more of a pro style offense than others in this class.
also to the other posts re harbough, dont forget before UM he was generally considered a QB guru. he recruited and coached luck, he turned alex smith from bust to pro bowler and won with him, he drafted/developed kaep. josh johnson at ucsd too.
at UM he built a very traditional big10 team based on defense and running. he still got ruddock drafted and now jjm will as well. clearly jjm helped elevate a style that had been capped at not winning the big ones in harboughs first 6 years there.
remember 2023 mccarthy is like watching 2021 daniels. at the end of 2021 daniels had already attempted more passes at ASU than mccarthy did in at UM. now imagine what would happen in the next 2 years if mccarthy transferred to lsu and got to throw 300 balls to nabers/thomas.
i think this qb class is probably flatter than most years realize bc they all have some clear flaws but they all have something to believe in if you want to.
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
whatever that advantage was got taken away before they beat OSU, Iowa, Bama, UW in 4 straight games to end the year right?
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Knowing the other teams plays...
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
whatever that advantage was got taken away before they beat OSU, Iowa, Bama, UW in 4 straight games to end the year right?
Indeed..but be honest,did he look anything but an average game manager in any and all 4 games?
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Knowing the other teams plays...
Then when that got taken away,he was very very average.
Not sure why so many smart people don't see that.
Dems is da facts...
whatever that advantage was got taken away before they beat OSU, Iowa, Bama, UW in 4 straight games to end the year right?
Indeed..but be honest,did he look anything but an average game manager in any and all 4 games?
he doesnt call the plays - when he had to make plays, he made them. he was really good in the alabama game and the catch he made on the flea flicker may have been the most important play of the game. every game i watched him athleticism and i saw nfl throws. and i didnt see any ints.
My sleeper pick is Pratt who has a very good arm but just needs pro coaching. He should go in round three.
My sleeper pick is Pratt who has a very good arm but just needs pro coaching. He should go in round three.
Long range, who knows what will happen. But I would be astonished if McCarthy got picked ahead of Maye at this stage. There just isn't a lot to go on.
My sleeper pick is Pratt who has a very good arm but just needs pro coaching. He should go in round three.
My heart tells me JJ will be a better pro than Maye but my head tells me Maye will be better pro than JJ. They are 2a and 2b to me while CW and Daniels are 1a and 1b (I actually like Daniels more than CW myself).
Then while we all celebrate our good fortune, the Giants select Malik Nabors... because they don't want to give up on Jones yet.
Then while we all celebrate our good fortune, the Giants select Malik Nabors... because they don't want to give up on Jones yet.
Pauline’s concerns about JJ include the following:
- Not a very big guy and will have trouble standing in against the rush
- Doesn’t have a very big arm
- A lot of the questionable throws he made on Saturday will be interceptions on Sunday
- When he gets outside the pocket you don’t know where the ball is going. There’s a loss of velocity and accuracy on his passes
- Given his physical skills, he’s going to have problems at the next level.
Pauline has JJ as a 2nd round prospect, but thinks he will be overdrafted and chosen in round 1.
The JJ discussion starts at 2:42 in the video linked below.
Draft Season - ( New Window )
I think back to 2018 and the QB's there.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson.
Heading into the draft very few if anyone was listing Mayfield as the top pick. Allen was all over the place because of supposed accuracy issues, Darnold was the sexy pick but with flaws, Rosen the most skilled but also with concussion issues and lack of true Football commitment and then Jackson who most didn't see as a first option.
Right now I think Williams is the unquestioned #1 QB "prospect" and yet he isn't the guy I want the most. The amount we would need to give up to get him (if even possible) would be too high. Plus, I am not convinced he is the best option for the Giants.
Maye is a solid fit and could be in play for us with a move up.
Daniels is a wild card but has risks.
McCarthy is the guy I am starting to think is destined to be a Giant- at #6. He sits to start the season and Jones gets moved or benched before the season is over. My thinking is he shows enough and we move him at the trade deadline.
This is my general thinking as well - that we are likely to take a QB at 6, although I am very uncertain as to which one and I don't know enough to have an opinion. DJ starts and is replaced at or by season's end.
I also hope that he creates some trade value. It does seem tough to get there, because the world in which someone wants to trade for DJ on a two year $80MM (albeit non-guaranteed) contract, seems like a world in which the NYGs want to keep him as their starter going forward.
The problem is: the long term health of the nyg should be the absolute guiding light (but it's hard to execute if you are also dealing with the competing motive of needing a built-in means to keep your job).
Yes he's in play at 6 and it wouldn't shock me if the Giants were the team that had him as QB2.
p.s.--If you're sitting at a poker table trying to decide whether to raise or fold and one of the other players tells you he has a pair of aces, what do you do with this information?
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Yes he's in play at 6 and it wouldn't shock me if the Giants were the team that had him as QB2.
And they shared this with a reporter? Why?
p.s.--If you're sitting at a poker table trying to decide whether to raise or fold and one of the other players tells you he has a pair of aces, what do you do with this information?
I wasn't the one that told a reporter this nor do we even know if it was someone from the Giants.
I was only making the point that 2 weeks ago people were balking at McCarthy going any sooner than the end of round 1 when the reality is he's likely to be a top 10 guy and yes, if we drafted him at 6 I don't think it would be a reach.
I also still don't think we draft a QB even though I think we should.
For me, JJ's a second rounder so far.
That draft netted two quality starters, a third who has never justified being the #1 pick, but still hasn't been bad.
So that's three successes as starters. Rudolph, Mike White and Darnold are back-ups, and Rosen outright whiffed.
And Gettleman drafted Kyle Lauletta.
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you can't teach that.
You can't?
Care to know Elway's record at Stanford? Mahomes's at Texas Tech?
Yeah, it's really challenging winning at IMG and Michigan.
Also tough to teach long game tying drives in under 2 minutes against Alabama in the Rose Bowl.
JJ's overall play looked like a guy who would be an afterthought until the middle rounds when the tier 1 and 2 guys were gone. A QB who, on Saturday morning after teams reassess who is still left on their board, would garner enough speculation to maybe move up to top of Rd 4 and take him.
And now he's rumored to be in play at #6 overall?
Good luck with that.
I’m not sure I see it. For all of his faults at Wyoming, Allen was fearless in the pocket. I see a lot of happy feet with Maye when pressured.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
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This type of info does leak out all the time.
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
Good one.
Same could be said if McCarthy played in the no defense PAC 12 compared to other QBs where he would put up huge numbers. The big 10 had the best defense by far in the nation and most likely the best two teams this year in Michigan and Ohio State.
It’s a tough evaluation.
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This type of info does leak out all the time.
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
This is a bigger piece of fantasy than Lord of the Rings
Pauline’s concerns about JJ include the following:
- Not a very big guy and will have trouble standing in against the rush
- Doesn’t have a very big arm
- A lot of the questionable throws he made on Saturday will be interceptions on Sunday
- When he gets outside the pocket you don’t know where the ball is going. There’s a loss of velocity and accuracy on his passes
- Given his physical skills, he’s going to have problems at the next level.
Pauline has JJ as a 2nd round prospect, but thinks he will be overdrafted and chosen in round 1.
The JJ discussion starts at 2:42 in the video linked below. Draft Season - ( New Window )
I am no expert,but I watched 10-12 of JJ's games and never felt he was NFL level talent...
Pauline nails it
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This type of info does leak out all the time.
But hundreds of people aren't privy to the draft board, a draft board that hasn't even been created yet, and this is especially true of the QB position where interviews will play a huge role. I can understand someone in personnel sharing that league scouts are a lot higher on so and so than the draftnik community, but not something as specific as so and so is QB2 and certainly not this early in the process.
REPORTER: Give me something, I don't care if it's true, I just need the clicks.
GM: And you don't care if it's true?
REPORTER: I just need to tell my boss that I got it from a source and didn't make it up myself.
GM: How about JJ McCarthy is our QB4?
REPORTER: Hmmm...got anything better than that?
GM: McCarthy is our QB2?
REPORTER: Perfect, thanks! I owe you one.
We had one of the one of the worst GMs in modern day sports and a moron dealing with the NFL media, and even Gettleman wouldn't be so careless to do what you are suggesting above.
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if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
Same could be said if McCarthy played in the no defense PAC 12 compared to other QBs where he would put up huge numbers. The big 10 had the best defense by far in the nation and most likely the best two teams this year in Michigan and Ohio State.
It’s a tough evaluation.
Fair point …agree.
I think back to 2018 and the QB's there.
Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson.
Heading into the draft very few if anyone was listing Mayfield as the top pick. Allen was all over the place because of supposed accuracy issues, Darnold was the sexy pick but with flaws, Rosen the most skilled but also with concussion issues and lack of true Football commitment and then Jackson who most didn't see as a first option.
Right now I think Williams is the unquestioned #1 QB "prospect" and yet he isn't the guy I want the most. The amount we would need to give up to get him (if even possible) would be too high. Plus, I am not convinced he is the best option for the Giants.
Maye is a solid fit and could be in play for us with a move up.
Daniels is a wild card but has risks.
McCarthy is the guy I am starting to think is destined to be a Giant- at #6. He sits to start the season and Jones gets moved or benched before the season is over. My thinking is he shows enough and we move him at the trade deadline.
Yep, in 2018 I thought Darnold was the a good QB prospect based on how he carved up PSU in the Rose Bowl. I clearly have no ability to evaluate QB prospects, I'll leave that to people who do that for a living.
12/24 for 263...really????
LOL
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JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
12/24 for 263...really????
11 YPA and 4 TDs - that’s really darn good.
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JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
12/24 for 263...really????
Yes, as a 19 year old in the biggest game of his life.
Didn't he go 12/24 in that game? Against the same defense that gave up 42 to Georgia the next game?
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JJ was in a super conservative, run based offense under Harbaugh and that's how some of you are evaluating him? He's made big throws and in big time situations. Go re-watch the 2022 rival game against the loaded Ohio State defense.
Didn't he go 12/24 in that game? Against the same defense that gave up 42 to Georgia the next game?
Did you watch the game or are you just looking at the box score? 10.9 YPA is pretty good if you ask most people.
Michigan scored 45 by the way.
It's a little presumptuous to say that Mac Brown can't coach QB's. Harbough, whom I do think is a fantastic coach, worked with how many QB's at Michigan before JJ that have sniffed the pros?
Sounds like someone is bullshitting.
Sounds like someone is bullshitting.
Sy has hinted heavily he's closer to 2 than 54
As on BBI, you have to sort the chaff from the wheat to decide who actually hears stuff and who makes things up/embellishes to garner views.
Sy admitted he slept on JJ thinking he was likely to stay in school. This meteoric rise of JJ came after he declared, so it is a good possibility the same thing could be going on all over the league, and folks are catching up, first the teams, then the folks who cover the sport, then the fans who get their info from the reporters.
As on BBI, you have to sort the chaff from the wheat to decide who actually hears stuff and who makes things up/embellishes to garner views.
Sy admitted he slept on JJ thinking he was likely to stay in school. This meteoric rise of JJ came after he declared, so it is a good possibility the same thing could be going on all over the league, and folks are catching up, first the teams, then the folks who cover the sport, then the fans who get their info from the reporters.
when he declared with this year's class as strong as it is that was a big tell. people dont yet grasp how much nil has changed those decisions (especially for a NC winner at a blue blood program).
Can they go through multiple progressions and throw an accurate ball? If they weren't asked to in college, will they be able to? Screwing up the latter question has gotten many fired.
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if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
It's a little presumptuous to say that Mac Brown can't coach QB's. Harbough, whom I do think is a fantastic coach, worked with how many QB's at Michigan before JJ that have sniffed the pros?
I’ve watched Maye several times over the past 2 years … he seemed to regress with each game. Go back further … Sam Howell’s stats at UNC also show year to year regression .. 2019-2020-2021. In his 16 years at Texas, before his 5 year hiatus from coaching, Browns’ 3 best QBs were Chris Simms, Vince Young and Colt McCoy.
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if Maye had played at Michigan under Jimmy H and JJ was with Mac ‘I don’t know how to coach QBs’ Brown. 1 guy had great coaching, the other did not. I think Maye’s ceiling could be higher.
It's a little presumptuous to say that Mac Brown can't coach QB's. Harbough, whom I do think is a fantastic coach, worked with how many QB's at Michigan before JJ that have sniffed the pros?
I’ve watched Maye several times over the past 2 years … he seemed to regress with each game. Go back further … Sam Howell’s stats at UNC also show year to year regression .. 2019-2020-2021. In his 16 years at Texas, before his 5 year hiatus from coaching, Browns’ 3 best QBs were Chris Simms, Vince Young and Colt McCoy.
I get it, that still doesn't convince me he doesn't know how to coach QB's. I think it's safe to say Sam Howell is an average QB, but either way, rarely do QB's just have this upward trajectory in their careers, and one can make an argument that he's done fairly well with Howell and Maye.
All I'm saying, there is no way to tell how each QB would do on the other team. Would Maye have been able to execute that last minute drive in the Rose Bowl to tie the game?
Can they go through multiple progressions and throw an accurate ball? If they weren't asked to in college, will they be able to? Screwing up the latter question has gotten many fired.
when he got passing attempts i noticed he went through multiple progressions in more of a pro style offense than others in this class.
also to the other posts re harbough, dont forget before UM he was generally considered a QB guru. he recruited and coached luck, he turned alex smith from bust to pro bowler and won with him, he drafted/developed kaep. josh johnson at ucsd too.
at UM he built a very traditional big10 team based on defense and running. he still got ruddock drafted and now jjm will as well. clearly jjm helped elevate a style that had been capped at not winning the big ones in harboughs first 6 years there.