https://nypost.com/2024/02/15/sports/theres-a-lot-of-giants-skepticism-in-nfl-circles/
he is usually pro giants insider they use to get the word out....
this is great news...
maybe Mara is leaking that hey this is all on daboll/schoen, i am butting out....
i still think bring back Tyrod. worst case with Tyrod you get a decent eval of the OL/coaching staff/talent on the offensive side of the ball to start the season if DJ cant go. it was never a shit show with Tyrod.
after you bring in Tyrod you let the chip fall where they may on draft night.
Sounds like it's saying you're poor.
I wonder if the talk of bringing back Taylor is more of a shot across the bow of DeVito than it is Daniel Jones. Taylor knows his role and is content being the backup versus DeVito and his speaking engagements when he got thrust into starter role.
Bringing back Taylor makes sense simply for continuity and practice. Hopefully he gives the Giants a discount.
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Paywall. WTF does it say?
Sounds like it's saying you're poor.
Lol!
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Paywall. WTF does it say?
Sounds like it's saying you're poor.
To be fair, we're talking about the NY Post here. I don't care if they can provide us inside info with the lord and creator itself, it's still the NY Post. They are inside their own asshole.
So yea, WTF did it say?
In all seriousness, I ain’t shelling out coin for the NY Post. The Athletic/NYT/WaPo? Sure. But not the NY Post.
We know Jones will be on the roster, that's a virtual given. DeVito is also under contract as well.
The backup quarterbacks will be swooped up in free agency before the draft, so the Giants have to make a move for a viable backup.
If they land their guy in the draft, DeVito will the odd man is my guess.
The only QB room weaker than Jones/Taylor/DeVito is Jones/DeVito/mid-round draft pick.
@WBG84
"There is plenty of doubt about the Giants’ plan to start Daniel Jones at quarterback to open the 2024 season, as long as his surgically repaired right knee is healed. The reaction to that plan is often eye rolls." -
@NYPost_Schwartz
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"The Giants will add a quarterback in free agency who is seen as more than a career backup, and they are considering all sorts of scenarios to add a quarterback in the draft. The Giants understand Jones is a medical concern." -
@NYPost_Schwartz
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For this coming from Schwartz is telling. Sounds like NYG is looking into the draft AND FA for QB.
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write them off for the next two years. It's the worst QB room in the league.
We know Jones will be on the roster, that's a virtual given. DeVito is also under contract as well.
The backup quarterbacks will be swooped up in free agency before the draft, so the Giants have to make a move for a viable backup.
If they land their guy in the draft, DeVito will the odd man is my guess.
The only QB room weaker than Jones/Taylor/DeVito is Jones/DeVito/mid-round draft pick.
But, as you well know, a championship team is not built by just plugging holes, "we got this guy for X position, we got that guy for backup", especially when it comes to quarterback. It is about adding special players. Otherwise, you are just going through the motions and throwing mediocrity out on the field. It would have been easy for the 49ers to pencil in Trey Lance because of political considerations. But they were honest with themselves and made tough decisions. It's time for the Giants to make tough decisions at QB.
In all seriousness, I ain’t shelling out coin for the NY Post. The Athletic/NYT/WaPo? Sure. But not the NY Post.
Same, the athletic is worth every penny.
The league reaction to our new d-coordinator is a big MEH. There is also a perception that Daboll is hard to work for/with.
Bottom line last year when the league got together for their off-season activities the Giants were perceived as a team on the rise. Those perceptions are gone at the moment.
The league reaction to our new d-coordinator is a big MEH. There is also a perception that Daboll is hard to work for/with.
Bottom line last year when the league got together for their off-season activities the Giants were perceived as a team on the rise. Those perceptions are gone at the moment.
The vibe heading into 2024 isn't good so far. Feels like we're in for another rough year. Schoen and Daboll have to make bold moves that change the trajectory of the team
We know Jones will be on the roster, that's a virtual given. DeVito is also under contract as well.
The backup quarterbacks will be swooped up in free agency before the draft, so the Giants have to make a move for a viable backup.
If they land their guy in the draft, DeVito will the odd man is my guess.
The only QB room weaker than Jones/Taylor/DeVito is Jones/DeVito/mid-round draft pick.
But, as you well know, a championship team is not built by just plugging holes, "we got this guy for X position, we got that guy for backup", especially when it comes to quarterback. It is about adding special players. Otherwise, you are just going through the motions and throwing mediocrity out on the field. It would have been easy for the 49ers to pencil in Trey Lance because of political considerations. But they were honest with themselves and made tough decisions. It's time for the Giants to make tough decisions at QB.
That's a different point.
What I'm saying is the Giants have to sign a backup before the draft to establish a floor. Because free agency basically wraps before the draft, you have to sign the backup before you know what will happen in the draft.
You can believe in and want to upgrade the quarterback in the draft, but you don't control how things transpire.
The Giants simply can't go into the draft with Jones and DeVito as the only quarterbacks on the roster.
At this point, I'd rather spend the day at the DMV than watch any of those three try to play QB in the NFL.
I am so down on Schoen.
Daniels starts, Huntley is the backup, and Jones is stashed in a bubble so he doesn't hurt himself and trigger his injury guarantee.
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We know Jones will be on the roster, that's a virtual given. DeVito is also under contract as well.
The backup quarterbacks will be swooped up in free agency before the draft, so the Giants have to make a move for a viable backup.
If they land their guy in the draft, DeVito will the odd man is my guess.
The only QB room weaker than Jones/Taylor/DeVito is Jones/DeVito/mid-round draft pick.
But, as you well know, a championship team is not built by just plugging holes, "we got this guy for X position, we got that guy for backup", especially when it comes to quarterback. It is about adding special players. Otherwise, you are just going through the motions and throwing mediocrity out on the field. It would have been easy for the 49ers to pencil in Trey Lance because of political considerations. But they were honest with themselves and made tough decisions. It's time for the Giants to make tough decisions at QB.
That's a different point.
What I'm saying is the Giants have to sign a backup before the draft to establish a floor. Because free agency basically wraps before the draft, you have to sign the backup before you know what will happen in the draft.
You can believe in and want to upgrade the quarterback in the draft, but you don't control how things transpire.
The Giants simply can't go into the draft with Jones and DeVito as the only quarterbacks on the roster.
ok.. that's the floor of what they should do. But Schoen and Daboll need to make transformative moves at the position, to change the trajectory of the franchise, and to save their reputations. In the NFL, the moment for action is always now.
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We know Jones will be on the roster, that's a virtual given. DeVito is also under contract as well.
The backup quarterbacks will be swooped up in free agency before the draft, so the Giants have to make a move for a viable backup.
If they land their guy in the draft, DeVito will the odd man is my guess.
The only QB room weaker than Jones/Taylor/DeVito is Jones/DeVito/mid-round draft pick.
But, as you well know, a championship team is not built by just plugging holes, "we got this guy for X position, we got that guy for backup", especially when it comes to quarterback. It is about adding special players. Otherwise, you are just going through the motions and throwing mediocrity out on the field. It would have been easy for the 49ers to pencil in Trey Lance because of political considerations. But they were honest with themselves and made tough decisions. It's time for the Giants to make tough decisions at QB.
That's a different point.
What I'm saying is the Giants have to sign a backup before the draft to establish a floor. Because free agency basically wraps before the draft, you have to sign the backup before you know what will happen in the draft.
You can believe in and want to upgrade the quarterback in the draft, but you don't control how things transpire.
The Giants simply can't go into the draft with Jones and DeVito as the only quarterbacks on the roster.
They absolutely need a vet backup that can at least lend lip service to running a competent offense. They need 4 QBs for camp, too.
If Taylor wasn't so doggone fragile, in spite of he occasional bouts of under throwing wide open WRs, he'd be the perfect candidate.
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write them off for the next two years. It's the worst QB room in the league.
At this point, I'd rather spend the day at the DMV than watch any of those three try to play QB in the NFL.
I am so down on Schoen.
Like you, I'm not happy about the extension. But this is now his moment to set a different course. I know he is intelligent, but does he have inspiration to see a way forward? And will he have the courage of his convictions? A lot is riding on this offseason for Joe.
Daniels starts, Huntley is the backup, and Jones is stashed in a bubble so he doesn't hurt himself and trigger his injury guarantee.
I'd sign up for an approach like that. In a heartbeat.
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yea I tried that, but it seems that isn't the full article.
Daniels starts, Huntley is the backup, and Jones is stashed in a bubble so he doesn't hurt himself and trigger his injury guarantee.
I would sign for that right now.
Of course, I wish two different people were running for POTUS, too... ;)
The Giants are open to and will likely pull the trigger on one of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Nix or Penix in rounds 1 or 2. There are more than a few whispers that J.J. is rising and Daniels and/or Maye might well fall into our laps at 6.
I'm not as worried about NYG addressing QB mainly because the Jones injury history is undeniable, and the future of his best trait (running) is already in jeopardy.
What is far more disturbing to me is the Daboll part. I think people are fooling themselves if they think the Wink stuff was all Wink.
The Giants are open to and will likely pull the trigger on one of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Nix or Penix in rounds 1 or 2. There are more than a few whispers that J.J. is rising and Daniels and/or Maye might well fall into our laps at 6.
I'm not as worried about NYG addressing QB mainly because the Jones injury history is undeniable, and the future of his best trait (running) is already in jeopardy.
What is far more disturbing to me is the Daboll part. I think people are fooling themselves if they think the Wink stuff was all Wink.
And exactly what are you basing “people are fooling themselves “ on Daboll’s culpability in the Wink situation?
Specifics not hyperbole
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The Giants are not "done" with Daniel Jones, meaning: They're all pretty sure they made a mistake but since he's going to be here and they have to pay him, he'll at least get another chance to compete to see if he can keep his job.
The Giants are open to and will likely pull the trigger on one of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Nix or Penix in rounds 1 or 2. There are more than a few whispers that J.J. is rising and Daniels and/or Maye might well fall into our laps at 6.
I'm not as worried about NYG addressing QB mainly because the Jones injury history is undeniable, and the future of his best trait (running) is already in jeopardy.
What is far more disturbing to me is the Daboll part. I think people are fooling themselves if they think the Wink stuff was all Wink.
And exactly what are you basing “people are fooling themselves “ on Daboll’s culpability in the Wink situation?
Specifics not hyperbole
Why do act "insulted" anytime something like the above is brought up? Do have some vested interest here?
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"There is plenty of doubt about the Giants’ plan to start Daniel Jones at quarterback to open the 2024 season, as long as his surgically repaired right knee is healed. The reaction to that plan is often eye rolls." -
@NYPost_Schwartz
#NYGiants
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WBG84
@WBG84
"The Giants will add a quarterback in free agency who is seen as more than a career backup, and they are considering all sorts of scenarios to add a quarterback in the draft. The Giants understand Jones is a medical concern." -
@NYPost_Schwartz
#NYGiants
For this coming from Schwartz is telling. Sounds like NYG is looking into the draft AND FA for QB.
The following Schwartz sentence makes no sense. "There is plenty of doubt about the Giants’ plan to start Daniel Jones at quarterback to open the 2024 season, as long as his surgically repaired right knee is healed."
Apparently Schwartz is trying to say, "Even if Jones is physically ready to play on opening day, there is doubt as to whether he should be the starting quarterback". If this is not what Schwartz is trying to say, then it's anybody's guess as to what he's saying.
What do you care?
I happen to like Daboll and I have a serious dislike for backstabbers…Wink
So I just have a curiosity why people are jumping to these conclusions
Sorry if you have an issue with that
Daniels starts, Huntley is the backup, and Jones is stashed in a bubble so he doesn't hurt himself and trigger his injury guarantee.
I'd rather than that bringing back Taylor who, 2023 season aside, has been pretty bad since leaving Buffalo. Very hot and cold and is also brittle. I prefer a younger guy. Huntley and Dobbs both would be cheaper and possibly even Mitch Trubisky. I doubt he sees a deal like he had prior to joining Pittsburgh. One year deals here, no future significance and hold the fort until the "rookie is ready".
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Why do you act "insulted" anytime something like the above is brought up? Do you have some vested interest here?
What do you care?
I happen to like Daboll and I have a serious dislike for backstabbers…Wink
So I just have a curiosity why people are jumping to these conclusions
Sorry if you have an issue with that
Yeah, I am sure that's it.
Because as far as I can tell, the only source of the idea that "Daboll is impossible to work with" is Martindale/Wilkins, who had a hidden agenda.
The article is so poorly written that it appears to conflate conjecture by those outside of the organization with some inside info, leaving the reader confused.
Once again, like with the KT doesn't give a shit narrative, once Giants fans see something written, they start accepting it as gospel.
It's really fascinating to watch.
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The Giants are not "done" with Daniel Jones, meaning: They're all pretty sure they made a mistake but since he's going to be here and they have to pay him, he'll at least get another chance to compete to see if he can keep his job.
The Giants are open to and will likely pull the trigger on one of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Nix or Penix in rounds 1 or 2. There are more than a few whispers that J.J. is rising and Daniels and/or Maye might well fall into our laps at 6.
I'm not as worried about NYG addressing QB mainly because the Jones injury history is undeniable, and the future of his best trait (running) is already in jeopardy.
What is far more disturbing to me is the Daboll part. I think people are fooling themselves if they think the Wink stuff was all Wink.
And exactly what are you basing “people are fooling themselves “ on Daboll’s culpability in the Wink situation?
Specifics not hyperbole
I'm basing it on documented reports of Daboll acting like an ass elsewhere, see the Colt McCoy stuff as reference.
I'm basing it on the fact that our GM had to wear a headset during games this year to see if he could hear what was going on with this coaching staff.
The fact that Duggan, who I generally trust as a reporter said Kafka had issues with Daboll as well and a lateral move for him was not out of the question prior to being promoted.
And my general belief that there are usually two sides to every story in a fight/dispute.
Is that enough for you?
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Why do you act "insulted" anytime something like the above is brought up? Do you have some vested interest here?
What do you care?
I happen to like Daboll and I have a serious dislike for backstabbers…Wink
So I just have a curiosity why people are jumping to these conclusions
Sorry if you have an issue with that
Yeah, I am sure that's it.
I guess you are just another one of those douche bags who feel that if you defend someone from the organization that automatically means you are somehow affiliated with the front office
Brilliant thought process on your part
I happen to be 42 year season ticket holder and very frustrated fan, but being frustrated doesn’t have to equate ripping every little thing associated with the team
But carry on with your message board nonsense
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The Giants are not "done" with Daniel Jones, meaning: They're all pretty sure they made a mistake but since he's going to be here and they have to pay him, he'll at least get another chance to compete to see if he can keep his job.
The Giants are open to and will likely pull the trigger on one of Williams, Maye, Daniels, McCarthy, Nix or Penix in rounds 1 or 2. There are more than a few whispers that J.J. is rising and Daniels and/or Maye might well fall into our laps at 6.
I'm not as worried about NYG addressing QB mainly because the Jones injury history is undeniable, and the future of his best trait (running) is already in jeopardy.
What is far more disturbing to me is the Daboll part. I think people are fooling themselves if they think the Wink stuff was all Wink.
And exactly what are you basing “people are fooling themselves “ on Daboll’s culpability in the Wink situation?
Specifics not hyperbole
I'm basing it on documented reports of Daboll acting like an ass elsewhere, see the Colt McCoy stuff as reference.
I'm basing it on the fact that our GM had to wear a headset during games this year to see if he could hear what was going on with this coaching staff.
The fact that Duggan, who I generally trust as a reporter said Kafka had issues with Daboll as well and a lateral move for him was not out of the question prior to being promoted.
And my general belief that there are usually two sides to every story in a fight/dispute.
Is that enough for you?
Kafka had issues with Daboll according to Leonard and Jordan…nuff said on that
As for Duggan….he isn’t much better as he was thrown off the Rutgers beat
Anything those guys report I take with a serious grain of salt
And Wink is out of the NFL.
Daboll may or may not be a joy at the beach, but the only real evidence of any sort of issue is the Daboll-Martindale divorce.
And Wink is out of the NFL.
Daboll may or may not be a joy at the beach, but the only real evidence of any sort of issue is the Daboll-Martindale divorce.
I agree. Didn't the numerous amount of NFL teams who passed on Wink also confirm this?